LastPommerFan Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 The seciond is acceptable to me as well. But we still will need to go out and find all those centers. I guess I'm disconcerted that Darcy seemed to have a preference for getting D-men in the offseason when we have enough D-men in the house already but only have 2 centers. IMO you prioritize the position where you are short handed and only after that is covered go out and try to upgrade the other areas. I'm disconcerted that Darcy is saying what I've been saying, which clearly means that I am very very wrong. :(
X. Benedict Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Seems like that only works in the regular season. Boston is managing.
Weave Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 I'm disconcerted that Darcy is saying what I've been saying, which clearly means that I am very very wrong. :( Yeah. This too. :P
Taro T Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 The seciond is acceptable to me as well. But we still will need to go out and find all those centers. I guess I'm disconcerted that Darcy seemed to have a preference for getting D-men in the offseason when we have enough D-men in the house already but only have 2 centers. IMO you prioritize the position where you are short handed and only after that is covered go out and try to upgrade the other areas. Darcy's on record from back at least in '06 as stating the priorities are: goalie, D, C, wings in that order. And the team DOES need at least 1 more (if not 2) veteran D men. That said, they are 2 GOOD centers shy of competing. As there seems to be more depth at D this year, I won't be too upset if they get a #1 pairing D-man and bring in a couple of #2's (or even a 2 & a 3) at center. (Though my preference would be to see them surprise us all and bring in Richards or make the blockbuster for a Malkin.)
Weave Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Darcy's on record from back at least in '06 as stating the priorities are: goalie, D, C, wings in that order. Rhetorical question aimed at nobody.... How the freaking frack do we get to a point where we have zero center prospects and 2 natural centers on the roster when center is supposed to be Darcy's top forward priority? Overloaded at wing and only 2 centers, but wing is his last priority. :wallbash: :death: *checks blood pressure*
HopefulFuture Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Darcy's on record from back at least in '06 as stating the priorities are: goalie, D, C, wings in that order. And the team DOES need at least 1 more (if not 2) veteran D men. That said, they are 2 GOOD centers shy of competing. As there seems to be more depth at D this year, I won't be too upset if they get a #1 pairing D-man and bring in a couple of #2's (or even a 2 & a 3) at center. (Though my preference would be to see them surprise us all and bring in Richards or make the blockbuster for a Malkin.) Richards would definitely be targeted in my opinion. Based on a couple of factors here. First, Pegula's statement that a Cup Run within 3 seasons is the goal. Second, There are a plethora of FA defensemen this off season, some of them are shut down types that may be the piece for Myers. Third, and this is merely opinion, but Weber, Leopold, Gragnani and one of Butler or Sekera are going to be here. My money is on Butler. Fourth, Morrisonn can be buried as the 7th dman, with one season left on his contract, Sekera is my choice to be moved, but it may be Butler. Fifth, Center is not only a need, it's a critical need, with or without Connolly. Depth is as equally horrible as roster spots in this position. Sixth, Richards fits the bill in as far as need, and although will be expensive, a 6 or 7 year contract is just what is needed, he can not only come in and contribute, if we draft young centers the next couple of seasons, spending time with a 33/34 year old Richards on a roster as they come to the big club can only help their development, not hurt it. And last, it all comes back to availability, if Richards isn't there, who is the trade bait if Connolly isn't re-signed? This is what scares me the most, the fact that Connolly is the only appealing player that wouldn't cost anything asset wise to sign. And with Regier's well known and established conservative mindset, it's atleast conceivable that we could see the center position in this order next season: Roy, Connolly, Adam, Gaustad. Not exactly a recipe for a successful run at the Cup I admit. To me, in any event, it comes down to what Pegula and Black expect out of Regier. Are they going to let him continue to make those decisions, or will they hand out decisive marching orders with regards to the direction the off season is going to take? That's what I'm asking as a fan, since I've already seen Darcy's handy work, chains off or not.
SwampD Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Boston is managing. I Krejci really not a first line center? Seems like we're lobbying for an all league center in FA, not just a #1.
X. Benedict Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 I Krejci really not a first line center? Seems like we're lobbying for an all league center in FA, not just a #1. Krejci is good in all zones and a solid two-way center. But I think he's an inferior talent to Roy and Marc Savard. He's been very smart in the post season however. Not diminishing his ability at all...he's on a first line by circumstance. Love his smarts. Nice vision too. But when I think of first line center...that has to translate into something on the powerplay...that isn't Kreji at all.
Taro T Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Rhetorical question aimed at nobody.... How the freaking frack do we get to a point where we have zero center prospects and 2 natural centers on the roster when center is supposed to be Darcy's top forward priority? Overloaded at wing and only 2 centers, but wing is his last priority. :wallbash: :death: *checks blood pressure* Not answering your Q, but how would you feel about this roster w/ Drury, Briere, Roy, Moore, & Gaustad on it? Hecht could slide over in a pinch or Adam could be brought up in one as well. Thanks Tom & Larry. :censored:
X. Benedict Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Not answering your Q, but how would you feel about this roster w/ Drury, Briere, Roy, Moore, & Gaustad on it? Hecht could slide over in a pinch or Adam could be brought up in one as well. Thanks Tom & Larry. :censored: That's why I think you don't blame Darcy. The team didn't follow Darcy's plan. I think that goes to Larry.
OverPowerYou Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Somethin weird tells me that management gets both d&b back this year just to give the fans a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Taro T Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Somethin weird tells me that management gets both d&b back this year just to give the fans a warm and fuzzy feeling. I'd take either one back (for the right price) but would not want to see the Sabres get them both back. If that were to happen, I would be joining the "DR is out of his league" bandwagon.
LastPommerFan Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 I Krejci really not a first line center? Seems like we're lobbying for an all league center in FA, not just a #1. By the standards on this board he is not, He was, however, 23rd in points of all players who took at least 750 faceoffs this past season, so he is in the top 30, but Roy beats him by 20 points either by looking at full season scale, or comparing just Calendar year 2010. So if he is, we already have one that's better.
shrader Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Somethin weird tells me that management gets both d&b back this year just to give the fans a warm and fuzzy feeling. Bring back Drury and Briere. Add Foligno to the coaching staff and Dudley to the front office. The Buffalo fanbase always seems to be real big on nostalgia. While there may be some good sense to moves like this, I can't help but get the feeling that this is one of the last things on the mind of the fans who constantly suggest it.
OverPowerYou Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Bring back Drury and Briere. Add Foligno to the coaching staff and Dudley to the front office. The Buffalo fanbase always seems to be real big on nostalgia. While there may be some good sense to moves like this, I can't help but get the feeling that this is one of the last things on the mind of the fans who constantly suggest it. maybe not both d&b, but probably one of them.
inkman Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Rhetorical question aimed at nobody.... How the freaking frack do we get to a point where we have zero center prospects and 2 natural centers on the roster when center is supposed to be Darcy's top forward priority? Three words: Kryukov, Novotny, Zagrapan Three 1st round whifs at the center position. That will set you back a decade.
X. Benedict Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Bring back Drury and Briere. Add Foligno to the coaching staff and Dudley to the front office. The Buffalo fanbase always seems to be real big on nostalgia. While there may be some good sense to moves like this, I can't help but get the feeling that this is one of the last things on the mind of the fans who constantly suggest it. I wouldn't go out and trade for Briere... If Drury is available...I can still see him helping, but he is not the player of 2007 by any stretch. I always liked Dudley, but he's one player/coach I've never really been nostalgic about....aside from the headband, he just wasn't that flashy. More of a gritty guy.....perhaps the Cincinnati Sword move has something to do with it as well.
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 Three words: Kryukov, Novotny, ZagrapanThree 1st round whifs at the center position. That will set you back a decade. First off, its Darcy's fault for drafting 3 players from outside North America. He should have at least drafted 1 guy from here in that time span. Also I thought of Novotny as more of a left wing than a true center. Finally, would you be opposed to trading up to around the 6-10 range this year and drafting a high quality center who would help us in 2-3 years? I wouldn't go out and trade for Briere...If Drury is available...I can still see him helping, but he is not the player of 2007 by any stretch. I always liked Dudley, but he's one player/coach I've never really been nostalgic about....aside from the headband, he just wasn't that flashy. More of a gritty guy.....perhaps the Cincinnati Sword move has something to do with it as well. Briere, maybe Drury no. We need to move past 06. We could have won the cup but Darcy didn't trade for that depth defender and we lost. Moving on, lets get some fresh faces and styles in here. This team isnt the same and if I were Tyler Myers and Briere came in and was all like this is my team now cuz it was before I would drop kick him back to philly. We will trade for a center or sign a UFA but i dont not see Black allowing Darcy to sign Drury for anything more than .50$ and I dont see Drury or his wife moving back here. IF next year it came down to having 2 options and they were Drury/Briere or Laich and (insert center here, Pavelski/Duinsky/Hanzal whoever) I would go with choice 2. Ive seen the Drury/Briere show and it ended years ago. Those guys were in their prime then, not now. http://www.mpnnow.com/goldman/x1841758488/Could-Chris-Drury-return-to-Buffalo this article is everything thats wrong with us fans. We whine and complain we want change than here Drury is going to be a UFA and OMG GET THAT OLD GUY WHO WAS GOOD HERE 5 FREAKING YEARS AGO. Spare me.
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 I would take a player that the rangers are rumored to be shopping. Anisimov, is 6' 3" but underweight and just played his 2nd full year on the rangers. Hes agile and decent and I think fits the sabres well. If they want to shop this guy hed be worth taking a look at provided the price isnt outrageous. It would be like drafting a center but hes already got 2 years experience. Id be good with it. Id be better than getting drury.
X. Benedict Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 First off, its Darcy's fault for drafting 3 players from outside North America. He should have at least drafted 1 guy from here in that time span. Also I thought of Novotny as more of a left wing than a true center. Finally, would you be opposed to trading up to around the 6-10 range this year and drafting a high quality center who would help us in 2-3 years? Briere, maybe Drury no. We need to move past 06. We could have won the cup but Darcy didn't trade for that depth defender and we lost. Moving on, lets get some fresh faces and styles in here. This team isnt the same and if I were Tyler Myers and Briere came in and was all like this is my team now cuz it was before I would drop kick him back to philly. We will trade for a center or sign a UFA but i dont not see Black allowing Darcy to sign Drury for anything more than .50$ and I dont see Drury or his wife moving back here. IF next year it came down to having 2 options and they were Drury/Briere or Laich and (insert center here, Pavelski/Duinsky/Hanzal whoever) I would go with choice 2. Ive seen the Drury/Briere show and it ended years ago. Those guys were in their prime then, not now. http://www.mpnnow.com/goldman/x1841758488/Could-Chris-Drury-return-to-Buffalo this article is everything thats wrong with us fans. We whine and complain we want change than here Drury is going to be a UFA and OMG GET THAT OLD GUY WHO WAS GOOD HERE 5 FREAKING YEARS AGO. Spare me. Nobody has been showing the exuberance you are railing against here. Everyone has been very measured. I think everyone (here at least) has been sensible enough to recognize that Drury is a 4th line role player at this point. But there might be merits to bringing in a vet with his smarts and work ethic as a role player...not a core player.
dEnnis the Menace Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Nobody has been showing the exuberance you are railing against here. Everyone has been very measured. I think everyone (here at least) has been sensible enough to recognize that Drury is a 4th line role player at this point. But there might be merits to bringing in a vet with his smarts and work ethic as a role player...not a core player. He could fill in for the leadership role that Grier would be leaving if he doesn't re-sign. I wouldn't expect him to be anything more than a role player either. I'm pretty sure you're right in that most here understand his best years are behind him
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 Nobody has been showing the exuberance you are railing against here. Everyone has been very measured. I think everyone (here at least) has been sensible enough to recognize that Drury is a 4th line role player at this point. But there might be merits to bringing in a vet with his smarts and work ethic as a role player...not a core player. not even as a 4th liner. I think it would undermine the identity it took this team 4 seasons to rediscover. We need to stop reasoning it out as a leadership thing because if we do not have leadership after 4 years in that lockeroom we need a lot more than drury to fix it. What are your feelings on Artem Anisimov?
inkman Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Im really on the fence with Drury, I guess take a flier on him and invite him to camp. If he recaptures a little of the ol' magic then great, if not c ya.
X. Benedict Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 not even as a 4th liner. I think it would undermine the identity it took this team 4 seasons to rediscover. We need to stop reasoning it out as a leadership thing because if we do not have leadership after 4 years in that lockeroom we need a lot more than drury to fix it. What are your feelings on Artem Anisimov? Jiri Novotny comes to mind.
LastPommerFan Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 not even as a 4th liner. I think it would undermine the identity it took this team 4 seasons to rediscover. We need to stop reasoning it out as a leadership thing because if we do not have leadership after 4 years in that lockeroom we need a lot more than drury to fix it. What are your feelings on Artem Anisimov? I think a big part of this rediscovery was bring back the "retread" Grier. You say we're making progress with some of the things we're doing, I think this would be right in line with that.
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