spndnchz Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Since PA's choosing not to post anymore what say you about Lindy so far? FWIW, Lindy will coach his 100th career playoff game tomorrow. Just 8th coach in NHL history to reach 100 with the same team. He's had various choices about who to play and where to play them. Some of them forced, sure, but overall I think it's working.
Eleven Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 The Sabres made it to the playoffs despite what seems like a thousand injuries and I'll give Ruff all the credit in the world for it. And I don't think there's an NHL coach out there who is better at developing young talent. Not only do I badly want the Sabres to win a Cup, I want them to win a Cup with Ruff at the helm. The man deserves it. DeLuca, over to you...
Patty16 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 The Sabres made it to the playoffs despite what seems like a thousand injuries and I'll give Ruff all the credit in the world for it. And I don't think there's an NHL coach out there who is better at developing young talent. Not only do I badly want the Sabres to win a Cup, I want them to win a Cup with Ruff at the helm. The man deserves it. DeLuca, over to you... didnt you read the thread this week.....Ruff is being outcoached this series.
biodork Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I'm with Eleven here. Lindy gets a lot of flak for his (mis)handling of goaltenders, and while that is a fair criticism I think his ability to read the guys and know who to put out at the end of a game and when to mix up lines is fantastic. I thought it was nuts to see Kaleta out there with Vanek in game 4, but you know what? It was the right decision and the line juggling paid off. Kudos to him, and I hope one day (soon) he can hoist the Cup with the franchise to which he's dedicated himself for all these years.
Eleven Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 didnt you read the thread this week.....Ruff is being outcoached this series. I deliberately did not read that thread because I did not want a brain aneurysm.
samothyev Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Other than letting his team get into a defensive shell I think he has done a tremendous job getting these guys ready for these games. The Sabres came out on fire last night, wished they could have kept it up for the whole game. Still love the end result. It's going to be interesting to see what he does for tomorrow without Pommers in there! LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!!!!!
Stormin Norman Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 It would be my guess that lots of people would be on Lindy if we were down in the series. Winning helps resolve a lot of things. What I love is the GRIT we're demonstrating. There is no evidence we are imtimidated in the Flyers rink, and, if anything, Lindy has had to pull back on the aggression throttle a bit. When's the last time we could say THAT? If we are fearless and smart tomorrow, the Sabres can take 'em out!!
X. Benedict Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Since PA's choosing not to post anymore what say you about Lindy so far? FWIW, Lindy will coach his 100th career playoff game tomorrow. Just 8th coach in NHL history to reach 100 with the same team. He's had various choices about who to play and where to play them. Some of them forced, sure, but overall I think it's working. For putting rookies in positions to succeed: A+ For matching lines at home: B For keeping the team on keel: A Goaltender changes: A ;) He was doing some weird moves with the powerplay units that I still haven't figured out yet last night. There was one line change 20 seconds into a powerplay, not typical of Lindy. Put plainly, Philly has better personnel at nearly every position (save goaltender). Lindy is getting the contributions he needs. Organizationally.....who thought Ennis, Graniani, Weber, Butler, Myers, and Gerbe would be paying off like this 4 months ago?
deluca67 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Since PA's choosing not to post anymore what say you about Lindy so far? FWIW, Lindy will coach his 100th career playoff game tomorrow. Just 8th coach in NHL history to reach 100 with the same team. He's had various choices about who to play and where to play them. Some of them forced, sure, but overall I think it's working. It's seems the topic of conversation earlier in the series was the lack of discipline and an inability to clear the puck from their own zone. Are those not two aspects of the game directly related to coaching? The "defensive shell", as said earlier, allowed the Flyers back into games. Does that not relate to coaching? People have said Miller stole games 1 and 4. Is it "stealing" a game if a team is welled coached and playing well? I don't believe I ever said Ruff is being "out coached", I will say I don't believe he has been a major factor to this point. Injuries are not a factor, Pronger and Carter are big loses, probably bigger loses than any Sabres injury.
Eleven Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Posted by a Filly fan in the comment section of the TSN game 5 article page: "Boucher came into the game with the best numbers of goaltenders in the playoffs. Now, In other posts, I've heard how brilliant Lindy Ruff is so I'll go ahead and compliment him and the coaching staff on watching some Boucher tape. Boucher cheats off the pipe anticipating the pass all the time and the coaches caught it. The first two goals were not flukes, Buffalo was told to flip their shots there." http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=363290
X. Benedict Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 It's seems the topic of conversation earlier in the series was the lack of discipline and an inability to clear the puck from their own zone. Are those not two aspects of the game directly related to coaching? The "defensive shell", as said earlier, allowed the Flyers back into games. Does that not relate to coaching? People have said Miller stole games 1 and 4. Is it "stealing" a game if a team is welled coached and playing well? I don't believe I ever said Ruff is being "out coached", I will say I don't believe he has been a major factor to this point. Injuries are not a factor, Pronger and Carter are big loses, probably bigger loses than any Sabres injury. There are things that Ruff controls.... The biggest being lines, and ice time...... In that regard some things are astounding: 1. Butler leads team in ice-time (Myers second) 2. Granani brought up to QB the powerplay (he will finish this series with more playoff ice time, than regular season ice-time) 3. Having a hunch that Niedermayer would deliver in the biggest situations. 4. Even with the Philly forecheck, Ruff has stuck with possession hockey for zone clears. The only time I think this has backfired, is with he long changes in the second period. This series isn't over by any means. But you can't say Ruff has been stale, he's making bold moves in the face of the Flyer's overwhelming skating talent (on paper at least).
X. Benedict Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Posted by a Filly fan in the comment section of the TSN game 5 article page: "Boucher came into the game with the best numbers of goaltenders in the playoffs. Now, In other posts, I've heard how brilliant Lindy Ruff is so I'll go ahead and compliment him and the coaching staff on watching some Boucher tape. Boucher cheats off the pipe anticipating the pass all the time and the coaches caught it. The first two goals were not flukes, Buffalo was told to flip their shots there." http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=363290 Thanks for posting that. I really believed that Laviollette thought he could win a "time game", that is, move goalies in and out faster than Buffalo could break their weaknesses and tendencies. By the time Buffalo breaks down his good, but average goalies, the Flyers should have scored enough to move on. Over time even the best goalies get "figured out" to some extent....(even Chicago has solved Loungo by shooting high). Boucher cheats on the post, Bobrosky can't defend high shots, ...(that's why I don't think Bob comes back in the series). Leighton has had a career of rebound control problems. (Thank you very much says Tyler Ennis!) Suddenly Lavy has no good choices in goal. He's has to pick someone and trust. I listened to some radio this week, and there was a lot of talk about how cheap goalies were the way to go. But much like average Major League baseball pitchers, they may look great the first two times through the batting order, but by the third time the hitters have figured them out. Miller will be just as good the third time through the order. He's extremely sound fundamentally. Occasionally he shows problems (like high glove 6 weeks ago) but he can correct. Leighton will always have rebound problems IMO.
wonderbread Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Thanks for posting that. I really believed that Laviollette thought he could win a "time game", that is, move goalies in and out faster than Buffalo could break their weaknesses and tendencies. By the time Buffalo breaks down his good, but average goalies, the Flyers should have scored enough to move on. Quality post. Nice read. You may want to submit your resume to the snooze. You could give Bucky a run for his job. Over time even the best goalies get "figured out" to some extent....(even Chicago has solved Loungo by shooting high). Boucher cheats on the post, Bobrosky can't defend high shots, ...(that's why I don't think Bob comes back in the series). Leighton has had a career of rebound control problems. (Thank you very much says Tyler Ennis!) Suddenly Lavy has no good choices in goal. He's has to pick someone and trust. I listened to some radio this week, and there was a lot of talk about how cheap goalies were the way to go. But much like average Major League baseball pitchers, they may look great the first two times through the batting order, but by the third time the hitters have figured them out. Miller will be just as good the third time through the order. He's extremely sound fundamentally. Occasionally he shows problems (like high glove 6 weeks ago) but he can correct. Leighton will always have rebound problems IMO.
Eleven Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Thanks for posting that. I really believed that Laviollette thought he could win a "time game", that is, move goalies in and out faster than Buffalo could break their weaknesses and tendencies. By the time Buffalo breaks down his good, but average goalies, the Flyers should have scored enough to move on. Over time even the best goalies get "figured out" to some extent....(even Chicago has solved Loungo by shooting high). Boucher cheats on the post, Bobrosky can't defend high shots, ...(that's why I don't think Bob comes back in the series). Leighton has had a career of rebound control problems. (Thank you very much says Tyler Ennis!) Suddenly Lavy has no good choices in goal. He's has to pick someone and trust. I listened to some radio this week, and there was a lot of talk about how cheap goalies were the way to go. But much like average Major League baseball pitchers, they may look great the first two times through the batting order, but by the third time the hitters have figured them out. Miller will be just as good the third time through the order. He's extremely sound fundamentally. Occasionally he shows problems (like high glove 6 weeks ago) but he can correct. Leighton will always have rebound problems IMO. I think that's exactly what Laviolette has been doing. For that reason alone, I would not be surprised to see Leighton tomorrow.
deluca67 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 There are things that Ruff controls.... The biggest being lines, and ice time...... In that regard some things are astounding: 1. Butler leads team in ice-time (Myers second) 2. Granani brought up to QB the powerplay (he will finish this series with more playoff ice time, than regular season ice-time) 3. Having a hunch that Niedermayer would deliver in the biggest situations. 4. Even with the Philly forecheck, Ruff has stuck with possession hockey for zone clears. The only time I think this has backfired, is with he long changes in the second period. This series isn't over by any means. But you can't say Ruff has been stale, he's making bold moves in the face of the Flyer's overwhelming skating talent (on paper at least). Granani doesn't see a Sabres uniform if not for injuries. That is not coaching that is a unfortunate situation turning into a positive. You can say the same for Neidermayer. If Hecht was healthy would Neidermayer see the ice?
Eleven Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Granani doesn't see a Sabres uniform if not for injuries. That is not coaching that is a unfortunate situation turning into a positive. You can say the same for Neidermayer. If Hecht was healthy would Neidermayer see the ice? Really? There's a non-injured Sabres defenseman who hasn't been playing much this series. It's a choice.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Really? There's a non-injured Sabres defenseman who hasn't been playing much this series. It's a choice. LOL, you got him with that one......... :beer:
Patty16 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Really? There's a non-injured Sabres defenseman who hasn't been playing much this series. It's a choice. It doesnt have to make sense as long as it supports his blind view.
IKnowPhysics Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Lindy Ruff is a damn good coach and a damn good playoff coach. If you want, you can be contrarian or fault him for not making the same decisions you'd make, but that doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most highly regarded coaches in the league. If you think Sabres fans were pissed when Ted Nolan didn't get the extension he wanted, imagine if we let Ruff escape after this year. You can't, because it's unimaginable. I punctuate this thought with three of my many favorite Lindy Ruff moments: 1) . 2/22/07 Chris Neil puts Drury out with a blindside hit to the head, Ruff repsonds with Sabres' powerplay line 4 of Peters-Mair-Kaleta to rearrange Jason Spezza.2) . 4/24/06 Buffalo smashes the Flyers 8-2 and provokes profanity from Ken Hitchcock. Flyers lose the series, Ken Hitchcock then goes 1-6-1 to start the worst season in Flyers history, and is fired after one of the worst losses in Flyers history: a 9-1 rout by the Buffalo Sabres.3) Lindy Ruff v Jack Adams. 6/22/06 You know the story. Sabres fly out of the lockout as one of the best teams in the league after missing the playoffs twice, and make it within 20 minutes of an appearance at the Stanley Cup Finals. Ruff awarded the Jack Adams over Carolina coach and Stanley Cup Champion Peter Laviolette. Lindy Ruff bonus material: during time when his playing career was waning. He considers going into coaching with the Rochester Americans. Hilarious: he cites unlimited "bus trips" in the off season as a job benefit. Great stuff.
deluca67 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Really? There's a non-injured Sabres defenseman who hasn't been playing much this series. It's a choice. It's not a choice when the only other option is Shaone Morrisonn who was a train wreck down the stretch.
wjag Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I'm still shaking my head at the thought of putting Kaleta, Gaustad and Vanek on a line. Not once, but twice. It's either good coaching or outright madness.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I'm still shaking my head at the thought of putting Kaleta, Gaustad and Vanek on a line. Not once, but twice. It's either good coaching or outright madness. Sometimes you have to embrace the madness, lol............. :beer:
Eleven Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 It's not a choice when the only other option is Shaone Morrisonn who was a train wreck down the stretch. I was waiting for this spin and I am surprised that it took you so long. Morisonn is considerably more experienced than Gragnani and would have been an attractive option for that reason alone. But Ruff made the right decision. If he had gone with Morisonn, you'd (rightly) be criticizing him for it, so give credit where it's due.
deluca67 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I was waiting for this spin and I am surprised that it took you so long. Morisonn is considerably more experienced than Gragnani and would have been an attractive option for that reason alone. But Ruff made the right decision. If he had gone with Morisonn, you'd (rightly) be criticizing him for it, so give credit where it's due. Gragnani made the decision for him with his play at the end of the season. Lindy didn't have much choice and Gragnani has taken full advantage of his opportunity. It's not as if the Sabres defense was healthy and Lindy decided to play a hunch.
Dorlack Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I think if we lose Lindy, say goodbye to a playoff chance for the next handful of years.
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