Miller's in depth post game

[Hephaestus]

Not sure if someone can find a link for this, but they just aired the entire thing on NHL on the fly. My first thoughts were "wow, he's really a student of the game" and realizing how intelligent he is. Then the more he talked, the more I thought about how that could be a negative thing too. He definitely goes deep in depth about a good number of saves, the Flyers offensive rush, tendencies, etc. and it really gives a solid glimpse into how he's thinking in terms of his own personal reaction to those things. Too solid a glimpse if you ask me, almost providing Philly with a way to view their offense through his eyes, and now know how to best combat it.

[NowDoYouBelieve]

Not sure if someone can find a link for this, but they just aired the entire thing on NHL on the fly. My first thoughts were "wow, he's really a student of the game" and realizing how intelligent he is. Then the more he talked, the more I thought about how that could be a negative thing too. He definitely goes deep in depth about a good number of saves, the Flyers offensive rush, tendencies, etc. and it really gives a solid glimpse into how he's thinking in terms of his own personal reaction to those things. Too solid a glimpse if you ask me, almost providing Philly with a way to view their offense through his eyes, and now know how to best combat it.

 

Teams prepare by watching game film. I doubt the Flyers' lockerroom is paying attention to any of our post-game comments. Unless Miller is saying stuff like "I'd suggest the Flyers try to beat me over my right shoulder because I'm just not feeling that save right now", I wouldn't worry about it.

[Punch]

http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=-5&id=108710

[Chester Springs Rich]

Not sure if someone can find a link for this, but they just aired the entire thing on NHL on the fly. My first thoughts were "wow, he's really a student of the game" and realizing how intelligent he is. Then the more he talked, the more I thought about how that could be a negative thing too. He definitely goes deep in depth about a good number of saves, the Flyers offensive rush, tendencies, etc. and it really gives a solid glimpse into how he's thinking in terms of his own personal reaction to those things. Too solid a glimpse if you ask me, almost providing Philly with a way to view their offense through his eyes, and now know how to best combat it.

 

I am really happy some one posted this before I got to it. I strongly agree with your sentiment. The post game interview conducted with Miller was one where I thought Miller went way to deep with his observations, game planning and strategy. That could come back and hurt him and our defense in Game 2 and beyond. In my opinion, sharing this much information is a big mistake. You want to keep a lid on as much strategy as you can, including during post game interviews.

 

There was a follow on to this initial thread disagreeing with the notion that maybe the post game interview information shared is not studied by opponents. Don't kid yourself. Post game interviews and all interviews during the course of a week and season are dissected by the "Better coached opponents" to uncover any piece of information to help their team with an advantage. Philly has a good coaching staff with Peter L and company. You can bet the video support team that helps the Flyers preparing video on the Sabres includes Buffalo Sabres interviews. If I am Lindy, I am shutting down the amount of information shared in post game. Keep the answers to "it was our focus that helped us win" "it is because of the coaching during the game" "It is because of our hard work" "The Flyers are a good team and we feel lucky to have won game 1" etc. Don't share "I made a certain save on a certain player because of A, B, C........". No, please don't do that.

 

In addition to Miller, others went a little to in depth as well.

 

In today's sports age which includes the wealth of available social media such as this board, all good sports fan, media and players scan blogs / boards / news articles to read up on what the fans are seeing and what we as fans have to say. Don't kid your self, this happens everyday. Maybe the Sabres or the Buffalo media will read all this and realize wow, if the fans noticed this in the interviews, we need to shut down what we share right away.

[That Aud Smell]

i saw much of miller's presser, but ... *meh*.

 

i don't think miller said anything that isn't completely evident from film. while i still don't know what exactly "back side support" is, miller has been talking about it for a long time as something that is essential to the way that he challenges a shooter (i believe he bemoaned the absence of such support following the debacle against the islanders that gave rise to the tiff with sullivan).

 

when the flyers watch miller on film, they see him and the team around him doing everything that he discussed in his presser. it's not as though the philly scouts will hear that press conference and say, "hey, woah, wait a minute, miller's approach is to be extremely aggressive in challenging shooters, and he relies on his defense and wingers on the other side of the ice to clamp down on the opponent's forwards ..."

 

as is generally the case, the game came down to which team executed its plan better and which team got the breaks.

[zow2]

Hockey is such a fast game at the NHL level, even knowing strategies does not help or hinder anything that much. Let's be honest.. most goals are tip in's or garbage type rebounds on scrambles, etc.. NO amount of "backside support" insight or whatever is gonna help or hurt when things are scrambly on the ice. The biggest thing they can do to help Miller is get down and continue to block shots. This series is not going to be won or lost on post game press conference insight.

[K-9]

Miller knows the Flyers know that Miller knows.

 

Classic reverse psychology. Kind of like the reversal of a reversal of a Custer decision (a movie reference for us old farts).

 

GO SABRES!!!

[Samson's Flow]

i saw much of miller's presser, but ... *meh*.

 

i don't think miller said anything that isn't completely evident from film. while i still don't know what exactly "back side support" is, miller has been talking about it for a long time as something that is essential to the way that he challenges a shooter (i believe he bemoaned the absence of such support following the debacle against the islanders that gave rise to the tiff with sullivan).

 

when the flyers watch miller on film, they see him and the team around him doing everything that he discussed in his presser. it's not as though the philly scouts will hear that press conference and say, "hey, woah, wait a minute, miller's approach is to be extremely aggressive in challenging shooters, and he relies on his defense and wingers on the other side of the ice to clamp down on the opponent's forwards ..."

 

as is generally the case, the game came down to which team executed its plan better and which team got the breaks.

 

My shot in the dark is that backside support would relate to the forwards/dmen taking away that cross crease type pass by locking up the opposition on the off wing. Since Miller loves to come out and challenge the shooter pretty far outside his crease, it would be pretty detrimental to be able to pass to an open winger with a wide open net. Hence the dmen have to lock down that option so that Miller can be confident in coming out and making the save.

 

... or it could be some sort of butt jock-strap :unsure:

[Eleven]

Not sure if someone can find a link for this, but they just aired the entire thing on NHL on the fly. My first thoughts were "wow, he's really a student of the game" and realizing how intelligent he is. Then the more he talked, the more I thought about how that could be a negative thing too. He definitely goes deep in depth about a good number of saves, the Flyers offensive rush, tendencies, etc. and it really gives a solid glimpse into how he's thinking in terms of his own personal reaction to those things. Too solid a glimpse if you ask me, almost providing Philly with a way to view their offense through his eyes, and now know how to best combat it.

 

He'll be a heck of a head coach someday if he wants to do that. Imagine, six years from now, Ruff retires from coaching, Miller takes his place behind the bench, SabreSpace implodes.

[That Aud Smell]

He'll be a heck of a head coach someday if he wants to do that. Imagine, six years from now, Ruff retires from coaching, Miller takes his place behind the bench, SabreSpace implodes.

:lol: :clapping:

[nobody]

My shot in the dark is that backside support would relate to the forwards/dmen taking away that cross crease type pass by locking up the opposition on the off wing. Since Miller loves to come out and challenge the shooter pretty far outside his crease, it would be pretty detrimental to be able to pass to an open winger with a wide open net. Hence the dmen have to lock down that option so that Miller can be confident in coming out and making the save.

 

... or it could be some sort of butt jock-strap :unsure:

 

 

Sounds about right - the first part, not the second. ;)

 

Kinda like the blind side of a QB in football. Your goalie is focusing on one side of the ice and the D need to take care of what he is not looking at.

[korab rules]

i saw much of miller's presser, but ... *meh*.

 

i don't think miller said anything that isn't completely evident from film. while i still don't know what exactly "back side support" is, miller has been talking about it for a long time as something that is essential to the way that he challenges a shooter (i believe he bemoaned the absence of such support following the debacle against the islanders that gave rise to the tiff with sullivan).

 

when the flyers watch miller on film, they see him and the team around him doing everything that he discussed in his presser. it's not as though the philly scouts will hear that press conference and say, "hey, woah, wait a minute, miller's approach is to be extremely aggressive in challenging shooters, and he relies on his defense and wingers on the other side of the ice to clamp down on the opponent's forwards ..."

 

as is generally the case, the game came down to which team executed its plan better and which team got the breaks.

 

 

My shot in the dark is that backside support would relate to the forwards/dmen taking away that cross crease type pass by locking up the opposition on the off wing. Since Miller loves to come out and challenge the shooter pretty far outside his crease, it would be pretty detrimental to be able to pass to an open winger with a wide open net. Hence the dmen have to lock down that option so that Miller can be confident in coming out and making the save.

 

... or it could be some sort of butt jock-strap :unsure:

 

 

Sounds about right - the first part, not the second. ;)

 

Kinda like the blind side of a QB in football. Your goalie is focusing on one side of the ice and the D need to take care of what he is not looking at.

 

Yes - you guys have it. Miller's game is predicated on playing the angles and coming out of the net and, when feasible, out of the crease so that shooters have nothing to shoot at. This style of play leaves the back side of the net wide open if the puck somehow gets there. Miller is very smart about when he does this, so it doesn't happen often. He relies on his D-men to tie up players and pucks on the back side if the puck somehow gets there. It's how he sometimes ends up swimming well out of the crease - if the puck takes a weird bounce and somehow ends up on his backside he is screwed without his defensemen. His defensemen are like his chastity belt - they are always protecting his back door.

 

If I were the flyers, I would be trying to pass the puck to the off side of the net by bouncing it off the boards behind the net.

[Taro T]

He'll be a heck of a head coach someday if he wants to do that. Imagine, six years from now, Ruff retires from coaching, Miller takes his place behind the bench, SabreSpace implodes.

Actually, I was thinking it'll be interesting to see if he ends up on HNIC or on whichever US network has hockey when he retires.

 

My guess is he stays stateside, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up in broadcasting after his NHL career is history. And I see him more as an in studio guy than doing color.

 

Yes - you guys have it. Miller's game is predicated on playing the angles and coming out of the net and, when feasible, out of the crease so that shooters have nothing to shoot at. This style of play leaves the back side of the net wide open if the puck somehow gets there. Miller is very smart about when he does this, so it doesn't happen often. He relies on his D-men to tie up players and pucks on the back side if the puck somehow gets there. It's how he sometimes ends up swimming well out of the crease - if the puck takes a weird bounce and somehow ends up on his backside he is screwed without his defensemen. His defensemen are like his chastity belt - they are always protecting his back door.

 

If I were the flyers, I would be trying to pass the puck to the off side of the net by bouncing it off the boards behind the net.

Too low %age getting the pass to bounce the way they'd need it to, unless they're looking at bouncing the point shot on the pp.

 

I'd sooner expect to see them continue to try to get that cross-ice pass down low on initial entry into the Sabres' zone and then just keep getting crazy traffic in front.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Actually, I was thinking it'll be interesting to see if he ends up on HNIC or on whichever US network has hockey when he retires.

 

My guess is he stays stateside, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up in broadcasting after his NHL career is history. And I see him more as an in studio guy than doing color.

 

Are you smoking?

 

I guess he's going to be an auctioneer as well? The vocal enthusiasm he brings to the table is top notch....

[Weave]

He'll be a heck of a head coach someday if he wants to do that. Imagine, six years from now, Ruff retires from coaching, Miller takes his place behind the bench, SabreSpace implodes.

 

What NHL coaches were goalies in their playing career?

[Taro T]

Are you smoking?

 

I guess he's going to be an auctioneer as well? The vocal enthusiasm he brings to the table is top notch....

The vocal qualities can be coached. I would not be at all surprised to see him in broadcasting after he retires.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

The vocal qualities can be coached. I would not be at all surprised to see him in broadcasting after he retires.

 

He and Jochen Hecht will make a great studio team

[wjag]

He'll be a heck of a head coach someday if he wants to do that. Imagine, six years from now, Ruff retires from coaching, Miller takes his place behind the bench, SabreSpace implodes.

 

The WTF wave could be pretty entertaining then..

[Eleven]

What NHL coaches were goalies in their playing career?

 

What NHL coaches were big stars in their playing career, as long as you're at it? His position doesn't matter; his ability to see the game does.

[Weave]

What NHL coaches were big stars in their playing career, as long as you're at it? His position doesn't matter; his ability to see the game does.

 

You read too much into it. It was merely an honest question.

[deluca67]

What NHL coaches were goalies in their playing career?

Better question, is Pegula willing to go 6 years without a Cup?

 

I can see it now, Coaches Corner with Ryan Miller brought to you by Mr.Softy.

[That Aud Smell]

while i still don't know what exactly "back side support" is, miller has been talking about it for a long time as something that is essential to the way that he challenges a shooter

 

when the flyers watch miller on film, they see him and the team around him doing everything that he discussed in his presser. it's not as though the philly scouts will hear that press conference and say, "hey, woah, wait a minute, miller's approach is to be extremely aggressive in challenging shooters, and he relies on his defense and wingers on the other side of the ice to clamp down on the opponent's forwards ..."

My shot in the dark is that backside support would relate to the forwards/dmen taking away that cross crease type pass by locking up the opposition on the off wing. Since Miller loves to come out and challenge the shooter pretty far outside his crease, it would be pretty detrimental to be able to pass to an open winger with a wide open net. Hence the dmen have to lock down that option so that Miller can be confident in coming out and making the save.

Kinda like the blind side of a QB in football. Your goalie is focusing on one side of the ice and the D need to take care of what he is not looking at.

Yes - you guys have it. Miller's game is predicated on playing the angles and coming out of the net and, when feasible, out of the crease so that shooters have nothing to shoot at. This style of play leaves the back side of the net wide open if the puck somehow gets there. Miller is very smart about when he does this, so it doesn't happen often. He relies on his D-men to tie up players and pucks on the back side if the puck somehow gets there. It's how he sometimes ends up swimming well out of the crease - if the puck takes a weird bounce and somehow ends up on his backside he is screwed without his defensemen. His defensemen are like his chastity belt - they are always protecting his back door.

 

If I were the flyers, I would be trying to pass the puck to the off side of the net by bouncing it off the boards behind the net.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP4TBRPTpR4

 

HFS. I went to find this thread in order to connect it to what happened to Thomas in OT over the weekend ... only to discover that korab had forecast burrows' exact strategy in mid-april. full marks, k-r. full feckin' marks.

 

EDIT: looking at it again, the "strategy" was somewhat improv'd ... but, still.

[spndnchz]

The back side support was that Chara should've put Burrows on his backside instead of letting him go around the net.

 

Chara had a terrible angle, Thomas made it even worse and the rest of the Bruins were looking pass.

 

Perfect Storm.

[X. Benedict]

The back side support was that Chara should've put Burrows on his backside instead of letting him go around the net.

 

Chara had a terrible angle, Thomas made it even worse and the rest of the Bruins were looking pass.

 

Perfect Storm.

 

funny how Harry Neale gets into one's head....

 

Before the goal went in, I started saying, "Poke-check and miss...."

[That Aud Smell]

funny how Harry Neale gets into one's head....

 

Before the goal went in, I started saying, "Poke-check and miss...."

wait - wait - is it "and you know the rest of the story."?