spndnchz Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Is it true that since feb 22 no one in the nhl has gotten more points than us? And does anyone have those numbers off the top of their head? I think I had it posted in the "thread that not be named". Since Feb 22nd Sabres had 30 points top of the league. With Carolina and Tampa I think it's 34. Canucks were second IIRC.
nfreeman Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Like him or not, his production and ice time prove that he is a very critical player on this team. Like I said, if you've got beef with him than it's a negative that he's a critical player but he is none-the-less. "Critical" is not the same as productive. "Critical" means that the team is screwed if they don't have him -- which, based on this season, is obviously not the case. Roy is productive, but not critical. I was thinking about this in particular. Depending slightly on what teams do this offseason (prior to july1) there may be a couple true top def out there as UFA. I think in regards to roy its completely unfair for us to say we need to dump him, the guy had 35pts in 35gp. Pommers is a 60-70pt guy and I am willing to give him a playoffs bye because lets face it no one showed up last year. Stafford I would trade but not for a def. I would trade him for a center and thats it. His stock is really high and it will be interesting to see if they move a rw this summer. (note they dont need to move anyone) I didn't say they need to dump Roy -- just the opposite. I'd say Pommer is more like a 50-60 pt guy. I'm pretty confident that we won't see 65 points from him again. As for a defenseman, are you saying you wouldn't trade Stafford (or Roy, Pommer, Ennis, etc.) for a true #1? i.e. a guy like Doughty or Weber? Or Pronger in 2005 (when Edmonton traded him to Anaheim)? Doughty or Weber won't be available, but every now and then a guy like Pronger comes onto the market for cap/other reasons. I would make a deal like that in a heartbeat.
Stoner Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 The replay is on NHL.com; I suggest watching it again. Timmy took a pass from Butler and had clean control of the puck ten feet from the blue line. He fired it right at St. Louis, who was just inside the blue line. The puck went to Myers near the boards, who then had St. Louis right in front of him. He quickly put it off the boards around St. Loius to get it out, but Lacavalier stopped it right at the blue line, then did a give-and-go with St. Louis. Myers was under much more pressure than Connolly; Timmy blew the pass when he had plenty of time. The funny thing was that I thought about how well Timmy had played at the end of the second, then fast-forwarded (DVR) to the third and saw that in the first 17 seconds. I'd file this under no harm-no foul. Under a fair amount of pressure, he was trying a somewhat risky spring-out pass and was either off the mark or St. Louis made a good knockdown. Either way, Connolly was not credited with a giveaway. The puck went right to Myers, who made the much worse play IMHO.
LGR4GM Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 "Critical" is not the same as productive. "Critical" means that the team is screwed if they don't have him -- which, based on this season, is obviously not the case. Roy is productive, but not critical. I didn't say they need to dump Roy -- just the opposite. I'd say Pommer is more like a 50-60 pt guy. I'm pretty confident that we won't see 65 points from him again. As for a defenseman, are you saying you wouldn't trade Stafford (or Roy, Pommer, Ennis, etc.) for a true #1? i.e. a guy like Doughty or Weber? Or Pronger in 2005 (when Edmonton traded him to Anaheim)? Doughty or Weber won't be available, but every now and then a guy like Pronger comes onto the market for cap/other reasons. I would make a deal like that in a heartbeat. Ok on the roy thing I misunderstood you. I think Pommers could be a 65pt guy again easily. But hey I learned that thats my opinion and you can have yours which could be valid, time will tell. As for the Def thing. No I would not trade any of the 4 players you mentioned for a true top def like Doughty. I wouldn't only because this summer I think that there could be UFA's that are close to that available and we have Myers and Sekera who will be top def in the next few years. Ehrhoff could fill that role for us if we could sign him and vancouver doesnt. He has 28 and has only ever had 1 year with a - and he has for the last 3 years topped 40pts. I think you pair a guy like that with Myers and you have a top pair thats deadly. If you could not get someone in UFA then yes I would trade a stafford or a pommers for a doughty/yandle/Weber straight up or with a lower draft pick MAYBE. Should be interesting to see what they do this summer.
Stoner Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I was rewatching some of the action from last night. After Vanek's first goal, we see Ted Black standing and applauding and either grinning or gritting his teeth. Terry is in the back motionless and impassive. I'm not saying it means anything, and I'm not criticizing him. I just find his reactions to Sabres goals very interesting. One other thing. Would the 60-something woman dancing in the Blue Cross commercial (Shake Your Beauty) please go before your nearest death panel? You are shrinking my hockey ######.
shrader Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 A quick comment about the Boyes stuff from a few posts back. He's playing out of position. That's the biggest issue with him. He's not a center and the sooner he gets away from that role, the better.
LabattBlue Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 A quick comment about the Boyes stuff from a few posts back. He's playing out of position. That's the biggest issue with him. He's not a center and the sooner he gets away from that role, the better. That may not be until next season depending on Hecht's status for the rest of the season including playoffs. Not a lot is being said about his potential return.
nfreeman Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Ok on the roy thing I misunderstood you. I think Pommers could be a 65pt guy again easily. But hey I learned that thats my opinion and you can have yours which could be valid, time will tell. As for the Def thing. No I would not trade any of the 4 players you mentioned for a true top def like Doughty. I wouldn't only because this summer I think that there could be UFA's that are close to that available and we have Myers and Sekera who will be top def in the next few years. Ehrhoff could fill that role for us if we could sign him and vancouver doesnt. He has 28 and has only ever had 1 year with a - and he has for the last 3 years topped 40pts. I think you pair a guy like that with Myers and you have a top pair thats deadly. If you could not get someone in UFA then yes I would trade a stafford or a pommers for a doughty/yandle/Weber straight up or with a lower draft pick MAYBE. Should be interesting to see what they do this summer. Which UFAs are you referring to? Here is the list of upcoming UFA defensemen. None of them is in the elite category, other than Lidstrom, who isn't going anywhere. Erhoff is a very good player, but not on par with the others I mentioned. Markov is good but I wouldn't want to give him a big contract given his injury history. However, I agree with you that I'd be quite happy to sign Ehrhoff as a UFA and then trade one of the Sabres' good wingers in a package for a #1 center. The others on the UFA defense list don't really excite me though.
BuffalOhio Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Yep that could work.. No. I don't see that working at all. The song just flat lines. At least that's what I hear/feel.
Knightrider Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Who would the top 5 be that would knock Roy down to 6 or lower? Miller, Vanek, Myers, ??? & ??? Stafford was the first name that came to mind. This year he seems to have matured into what we had hoped he would turn into... Gerbe and Sekera have been playing like they want number 5. I really look forward to seeing Gerbe in the playoffs, this year, as he seems to have that "clutch" attitude. I know it is only this year, but their record through the first 35 games (when Roy got hurt) was 14-17-4. Since then, they been 27-12-6. That they bottomed out right at the game where he got hurt makes me wonder about what that locker room must have been like.
That Aud Smell Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 A quick comment about the Boyes stuff from a few posts back. He's playing out of position. That's the biggest issue with him. He's not a center and the sooner he gets away from that role, the better. That may not be until next season depending on Hecht's status for the rest of the season including playoffs. Not a lot is being said about his potential return. i get it that he's playing out of position. my concern is that he will continue to do so. what i saw last night did not inspire confidence.
carpandean Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I'd file this under no harm-no foul. Under a fair amount of pressure, he was trying a somewhat risky spring-out pass and was either off the mark or St. Louis made a good knockdown. Either way, Connolly was not credited with a giveaway. The puck went right to Myers, who made the much worse play IMHO. Agree to disagree, then. Connolly had clear possession and little pressure (not sure how you can say "a fair amount" when nobody was within 5 feet of him), but put it right off of St. Louis when he had a nice safe pass to Pommer on the right wall. It probably wasn't called a giveaway because it went right to Myers, but it's hard not to think that's exactly what it was. Myers had St. Louis coming right at him with speed and nobody behind him for support. His time and options were limited, and he probably figured that if it didn't get by Vinny, then at least Timmy would be able to put some pressure on him. Maybe not the best choice, but the Sabres' clear possession of the puck and control of the play was lost by Timmy, not Myers. Had Myers gotten it out, I would have thought that he saved Timmy's ass on that play.
Taro T Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Stafford was the first name that came to mind. This year he seems to have matured into what we had hoped he would turn into... Gerbe and Sekera have been playing like they want number 5. I really look forward to seeing Gerbe in the playoffs, this year, as he seems to have that "clutch" attitude. I know it is only this year, but their record through the first 35 games (when Roy got hurt) was 14-17-4. Since then, they been 27-12-6. That they bottomed out right at the game where he got hurt makes me wonder about what that locker room must have been like. I'm looking at Roy being out as being to similar to when Devlin & Smerlas left the Bills. Those 2 had been THE leaders in the room and simply due to who they were, what they'd done, and how long they'd been there seemed to keep the team from becoming Kelly's and Bruce's and Talley's and ... Roy, from a production standpoint (he was a ppg player on a team which now after a nearly full season only has 1 player above 60 points) was leading the team, but guys like Vanek weren't leading the team; quite likely out of deference to Roy. When Roy went out, it gave some other guys the chance to step up. And guys like Vanek & Stafford rose to the occassion. The D has been gelling since then as well. Hopefully the dynamics in the room won't be such that Roy NEEDS to 'take the team back.' If he can live w/ it now being Vanek's (or somebody other than Roy's) team, then he could be a real good fit as the #2/3 center & occassional top line wing and I want him back in b&g. If he can't, I want to see him gone in a package for a top center or top D-man. He's a skilled player at a reasonable contract; I expect he'd have a lot of value on the trade market. The past couple of months is the 1st time this team has exhibited any chemistry since that fateful day in July. The chemistry is key to moving forward next year, IMHO.
nfreeman Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I'm looking at Roy being out as being to similar to when Devlin & Smerlas left the Bills. Those 2 had been THE leaders in the room and simply due to who they were, what they'd done, and how long they'd been there seemed to keep the team from becoming Kelly's and Bruce's and Talley's and ... Roy, from a production standpoint (he was a ppg player on a team which now after a nearly full season only has 1 player above 60 points) was leading the team, but guys like Vanek weren't leading the team; quite likely out of deference to Roy. When Roy went out, it gave some other guys the chance to step up. And guys like Vanek & Stafford rose to the occassion. The D has been gelling since then as well. Hopefully the dynamics in the room won't be such that Roy NEEDS to 'take the team back.' If he can live w/ it now being Vanek's (or somebody other than Roy's) team, then he could be a real good fit as the #2/3 center & occassional top line wing and I want him back in b&g. If he can't, I want to see him gone in a package for a top center or top D-man. He's a skilled player at a reasonable contract; I expect he'd have a lot of value on the trade market. The past couple of months is the 1st time this team has exhibited any chemistry since that fateful day in July. The chemistry is key to moving forward next year, IMHO. Good post, especially the bolded part.
thesportsbuff Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Agree to disagree, then. Connolly had clear possession and little pressure (not sure how you can say "a fair amount" when nobody was within 5 feet of him), but put it right off of St. Louis when he had a nice safe pass to Pommer on the right wall. It probably wasn't called a giveaway because it went right to Myers, but it's hard not to think that's exactly what it was. Myers had St. Louis coming right at him with speed and nobody behind him for support. His time and options were limited, and he probably figured that if it didn't get by Vinny, then at least Timmy would be able to put some pressure on him. Maybe not the best choice, but the Sabres' clear possession of the puck and control of the play was lost by Timmy, not Myers. Had Myers gotten it out, I would have thought that he saved Timmy's ass on that play. Whatever the case, it was one turnover. Nobody is immune to turnovers. I don't have any stats in front of me but I'd venture as far as to say that every Sabre forward has at least one or two giveaways per game. doesn't change the game he's played the last 3 months after having his face caved in. dude is a monster.
spndnchz Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Whatever the case, it was one turnover. Nobody is immune to turnovers. I don't have any stats in front of me but I'd venture as far as to say that every Sabre forward has at least one or two giveaways per game. doesn't change the game he's played the last 3 months after having his face caved in. dude is a monster. Colin Stuart doesn't have any. :D
nobody Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I think as soon as Kaleta is cleared to play - Mancari gets sent back down.
PromoTheRobot Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I think as soon as Kaleta is cleared to play - Mancari gets sent back down. Kaleta's Facebook page says he's just been cleared to play. PTR
thesportsbuff Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Kaleta's Facebook page says he's just been cleared to play. PTR Mancari's Facebook page says he's just been sent down. TSB no im just kidding :beer: :beer:
nobody Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Kaleta's Facebook page says he's just been cleared to play. PTR Guess we'll find out soon then who goes back down.
X. Benedict Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I think as soon as Kaleta is cleared to play - Mancari gets sent back down. I'm not sure if it was intentional, but it looked like Mancari started a breakout with kicking pass. I couldn't tell if it was intentional or just a deflection. Either way, it looked kind of nifty. I liked his game.
spndnchz Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Guess we'll find out soon then who goes back down. Do we really need to send anyone down? Some guy (Leopold, Hecht) must be on LTIR and it only count till the end of the season, which is the weekend right?
Robviously Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Kaleta's Facebook page says he's just been cleared to play. PTR Now it says he's "In A Relationship"....with Mike Grier?!?
thesportsbuff Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Now it says he's "In A Relationship"....with Mike Grier?!? LOOOOL
Taro T Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Do we really need to send anyone down? Some guy (Leopold, Hecht) must be on LTIR and it only count till the end of the season, which is the weekend right? The only reason they'd need to send anyone back down is if Mancari or Gragnani are on emergency recalls currently. I know Mancari was brought up as an 'emergency' but don't know if his status has changed since then. If they are on emergency recall, Gragnani can stay up until Leopold is healthy and Mancari MIGHT have to go back down (or get officially recalled) w/ a healthy Kaleta but w/ Grier and Hecht out, I expect Mancari can stay up as well. AFAIK, Enroth is the only recall counting against the 4 to date (and he ain't goin' nowhere).
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