Taro T Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 In the 1st period today, the 1st whistle after 14:00 left in the period came at ~10:36 and we got a TV timeout. There were then 3 more whistles after the 10:00 mark that didn't result in a penalty, goal, or icing and didn't break for commercial. They didn't break for commercial after the 1st stoppage w/ under 6:00 left in the period either. What gives? Did they change the rule and now you need to go a full minute of play between TV timeouts or do the Nascar Nellies get to make up their own rules? "Well if you see more than 2 dozen teeth in the 4 commercials you have to wait at least 2 full minutes so the audience can get the glare out of their eyes." ;)
Stoner Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 According to the play by play, the first stoppage after the six minute to go mark was an icing. The next stoppage was the goalie stopping play and there was a timeout. The first TV timeout came with a little over 10 minutes left. Maybe because it was so close to the second scheduled break, they extend the second break.
Taro T Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Posted April 4, 2011 According to the play by play, the first stoppage after the six minute to go mark was an icing. The next stoppage was the goalie stopping play and there was a timeout. The first TV timeout came with a little over 10 minutes left. Maybe because it was so close to the second scheduled break, they extend the second break. You are correct about that one. The question was more geared toward your speculation in the 2nd paragraph. I've never heard of a 'TV timeouts must be at least 1 minute of game time apart rule,' though there may be one. I was just hoping somebody (Chz?) might know the answer as to why the 2nd timeout didn't happen at 9:57 or the other 2 times it could have happened.
Stoner Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 You are correct about that one. The question was more geared toward your speculation in the 2nd paragraph. I've never heard of a 'TV timeouts must be at least 1 minute of game time apart rule,' though there may be one. I was just hoping somebody (Chz?) might know the answer as to why the 2nd timeout didn't happen at 9:57 or the other 2 times it could have happened. Maybe the NHL doesn't want to look like the NFL. Save, stoppage, kickoff, commercial, return, save, stoppage, punt, commercial. :yawn:
spndnchz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 You are correct about that one. The question was more geared toward your speculation in the 2nd paragraph. I've never heard of a 'TV timeouts must be at least 1 minute of game time apart rule,' though there may be one. I was just hoping somebody (Chz?) might know the answer as to why the 2nd timeout didn't happen at 9:57 or the other 2 times it could have happened. I'd have to again see what was happening on the ice to really answer it. Okay I looked at the game summary. At the 9:57 mark it shows Sekera was in the penalty box. One of the TV timeout rules is that there is no TVTO during a penalty. That was prolly why. Also, no TVTO after a goal, after an icing, or as stated during penalty. Generally they want the TVTO after the 14 min mark, 10 and 6 min marks. One of the linesmen actually has a pager to let them know that they'll be stopping play.
Taro T Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Posted April 4, 2011 I'd have to again see what was happening on the ice to really answer it. Okay I looked at the game summary. At the 9:57 mark it shows Sekera was in the penalty box. One of the TV timeout rules is that there is no TVTO during a penalty. That was prolly why. Also, no TVTO after a goal, after an icing, or as stated during penalty. Generally they want the TVTO after the 14 min mark, 10 and 6 min marks. One of the linesmen actually has a pager to let them know that they'll be stopping play. So, they anticipated that Sekera would be in the box in the 2nd and didn't have the TV timeout in the 1st period? :huh: My question was more to whether there was an additional rule that a full minute of play had to have occurred to get to the 2nd TV timeout. (I've definitely seen the TV timeouts happen consecutively when the 2nd one falls after the 6 minute remaining mark.)
spndnchz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 So, they anticipated that Sekera would be in the box in the 2nd and didn't have the TV timeout in the 1st period? :huh: My question was more to whether there was an additional rule that a full minute of play had to have occurred to get to the 2nd TV timeout. (I've definitely seen the TV timeouts happen consecutively when the 2nd one falls after the 6 minute remaining mark.) Sorry missed "1st". Then never mind. :death:
spndnchz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 In the 1st period today, the 1st whistle after 14:00 left in the period came at ~10:36 and we got a TV timeout. There were then 3 more whistles after the 10:00 mark that didn't result in a penalty, goal, or icing and didn't break for commercial. They didn't break for commercial after the 1st stoppage w/ under 6:00 left in the period either. What gives? Did they change the rule and now you need to go a full minute of play between TV timeouts or do the Nascar Nellies get to make up their own rules? "Well if you see more than 2 dozen teeth in the 4 commercials you have to wait at least 2 full minutes so the audience can get the glare out of their eyes." ;) Vogl's in game blog says they had commercials at the 10:20 and 8:13 mark.
Taro T Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Posted April 4, 2011 Vogl's in game blog says they had commercials at the 10:20 and 8:13 mark. That is correct, and completely irrelevant to the question at hand. :doh: The ###### question I am trying to get answered is why wasn't there a TV timeout on any of the following: the faceoff w/ 9:57 left in the 1st, 9:47 left in the 1st, or 9:36 left in the 1st? There was no TV timeout on the next 2 stoppages because of the goal and the icing. They finally had a TV timeout at the 6th stoppage after the 10:00 minute mark (the 4th that would NORMALLY result in a TV timeout). The only thing I can come up w/ for why they didn't have the TV timeout was they wanted to have at least 1 minute of play go between the TV timeouts. They don't seem to follow that procedure for late period TV timeouts. I have seen them roll those on consecutive stoppages (I'm not about to go tracking down game reports to see if there are instances of these always being a full minute apart; I'm pretty certain I've seen them happen quicker than the 1 minute gap), so I would like to know WHY they changed the procedure in this case.
Stoner Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 That is correct, and completely irrelevant to the question at hand. :doh: The ###### question I am trying to get answered is why wasn't there a TV timeout on any of the following: the faceoff w/ 9:57 left in the 1st, 9:47 left in the 1st, or 9:36 left in the 1st? There was no TV timeout on the next 2 stoppages because of the goal and the icing. They finally had a TV timeout at the 6th stoppage after the 10:00 minute mark (the 4th that would NORMALLY result in a TV timeout). The only thing I can come up w/ for why they didn't have the TV timeout was they wanted to have at least 1 minute of play go between the TV timeouts. They don't seem to follow that procedure for late period TV timeouts. I have seen them roll those on consecutive stoppages (I'm not about to go tracking down game reports to see if there are instances of these always being a full minute apart; I'm pretty certain I've seen them happen quicker than the 1 minute gap), so I would like to know WHY they changed the procedure in this case. There was a memo. Clearly the timing of the TV timeouts is not absolute. I know I've noticed missing breaks at the end of a period if play goes too long. Faceoff with 6:15 to go, next stoppage 1:34 -- no TV timeout.
spndnchz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Maybe I'm lost? The first break should be after the 14 minutes mark. That was at 10:20 The second break shouldn't come until after the 10 minutes mark. That was 8:13. Wouldn't make sense to take another commercial so close. Lose viewers, slow the pace on the ice down. If the stoppage are 14, 10, and 6 minutes then I think they're looking for at least 4 minutes of play between TVTO.
Taro T Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Posted April 4, 2011 Maybe I'm lost? The first break should be after the 14 minutes mark. That was at 10:20 The second break shouldn't come until after the 10 minutes mark. That was 8:13. Wouldn't make sense to take another commercial so close. Lose viewers, slow the pace on the ice down. If the stoppage are 14, 10, and 6 minutes then I think they're looking for at least 4 minutes of play between TVTO. No, the 1st opportunity for the 2nd timeout wasn't at 8:13. It was at 9:57 (10:03 had been played). There then was another one at 9:47 and a 3rd at 9:36. Any of those would typically have resulted in that 2nd TV timeout. They frequently have TV TO's w/in 4 minutes of each other (game clockwise, not 'real' time). While I realize there is a pacing issue that could arise from having 2 TV timeouts w/in 1 minute of each other, I hadn't noticed that situation handled this way in the past and was not aware of a 'rule' regarding this. I was hoping somebody would know what the 'official' policy is, if there is in fact an 'official policy.' Again, this is the only time I've ever NOTICED this particular circumstance arising. I have noticed play continuing from prior to the 1/2 way mark until there are less than 6 minutes left in the period, and then having back to back TV timeouts.
nobody Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 I was hoping somebody would know what the 'official' policy is, if there is in fact an 'official policy.' You're trying to use NHL & official policy in the same sentence? :o
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