Game Discussion Thread

[thesportsbuff]

Damn, this team is playing sharp lately! Anybody else think Ennis has been the Sabres' best player for the second half of the season?

 

No doubt he's been one of them. Seems the whole team has really been clicking, though, hard to name a "best."

 

He and Weber have been my personal favorites among the "rookies", so I have no problem agreeing with that. I'm not one for names on jerseys, but I have been considering an Ennis jersey for a while now.

 

I bought my Ennis third in November because I was positive Connolly wouldn't be here for the playoffs.... oops :death: ... but still a good decision. :beer: :beer:

[inkman]

Missed the game as I was at Red Sox vs Blue Jays spring training game but as I am in South Florida, Pamthers replay starting in 15. Booya!!

[Lanny]

What is a Deluca500 again?

I got confused when it was answered...

 

Anyways...great gaem tonight

gotta carry it over tomorrow!

Based on W-L, not points %.

[carpandean]

Four game unbeaten streak!

 

 

*waits to see if Deluca's head explodes*

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

I know some people are just joking about DeLuca 500, and I am sure there are homers that understand we were never 500 until now but say so to fluff their heroes, but it is amazing how many people have no clue.

 

Darcy Regier was on GR today saying with a straight face that the Sabres were .500 at home. I wanted to strangle the SOB. The more I hear from him, the more I have come to understand Quinn wasn't the only manipulator. Darcy sits and runs his spreadsheets, trying to BS the public with his Big 5 accounting savy.

 

Hey Darcy....your team is in the 60th percentile of the league. Be greatful you were handed your golden parachute and STFU.

[kishoph]

Damn, this team is playing sharp lately! Anybody else think Ennis has been the Sabres' best player for the second half of the season?

 

ENNIS is electric, any time he touches the puck I get the feeling that something good can happen. That move near the end was just sick. I collect jerseys (mostly football), I'd love to get a ENNIS jersey, but I weigh over 290 lbs. it just wouldn't look right wearing it.

[wjag]

Just heard on WGR that Thing 1 is sick and will be a game time decision.

 

 

I have to agree. Even tho Meyers fell Miller should have stopped that!

 

 

Anyone else take a look at the TOI for tonight and been struck by the relative balance across the board (obviously there are a few exceptions among the D)? That's rather disciplined.

 

Thing 1 may indeed be sick. His TOI last night was down to 17:00. Either Lindy was saving him or he's under the weather.

 

How great a pick up has Leopold been? He stays under the radar on this board. Led team on TOI last night and chipped in a huge goal.

[Dave Dryden]

What is a Deluca500 again?

I got confused when it was answered...

 

Anyways...great gaem tonight

gotta carry it over tomorrow!

Overtime losses count the same as regulation losses in DeLucaland. So Buffalo is 9 games over .500 in regulation games, with 9 OT losses, so the team is .500.

 

It really means nothing as it is a bizarre metric. On this scale, a team that is 40-17-25 with 105 pts is inferior to a 42-40-0 team with 84 points. If the league had a 3 point game system with overtime wins being worth 2 and the loss 1 or no overtime points for the loser, the metric would have some meaning. Without a change in the NHL point system, however, the DeLuca .500 is as meaningful as adding or subtracting from a team's record based on how many SI swimsuit models the players on the team date.

[Dave Dryden]

I know some people are just joking about DeLuca 500, and I am sure there are homers that understand we were never 500 until now but say so to fluff their heroes, but it is amazing how many people have no clue.

 

Darcy Regier was on GR today saying with a straight face that the Sabres were .500 at home. I wanted to strangle the SOB. The more I hear from him, the more I have come to understand Quinn wasn't the only manipulator. Darcy sits and runs his spreadsheets, trying to BS the public with his Big 5 accounting savy.

 

Hey Darcy....your team is in the 60th percentile of the league. Be greatful you were handed your golden parachute and STFU.

Wow, you need to chill a bit guy. Overtime losses are considered different by most everyone in hockey because you get a point so it is different. You can dislike Regier for lots of reasons, but saying you are .500 based on regulation wins and losses is how most anyone would talk about it except for a few here on this board. It is hardly Enron-like.

[Weave]

Wow, you need to chill a bit guy. Overtime losses are considered different by most everyone in hockey because you get a point so it is different. You can dislike Regier for lots of reasons, but saying you are .500 based on regulation wins and losses is how most anyone would talk about it except for a few here on this board. It is hardly Enron-like.

 

I'm thinking you need to chill a bit too. Deluca uses wins and losses cuz it removes the semantics of the "bonus point". His method isn't smoke and mirrors. It's simply % of wins, and its a damn good metric in my book. I mean, the point is winning right?

 

It is a playoff metric when you think about it. Ain't no bonus points to be had after the 82nd game is played.

[Stoner]

But one could argue the Toronto game is just as important, and the Rangers game, definitely is. I personally can't wait for Wednesday night. The two hottest teams in the East fighting for the 7th seed.

 

Washington is the hottest team in the East. Or maybe you're predicting that by Wednesday, the Rangers and Sabres will be.

[DR HOLLIDAY]

I say tomorrow is MILLER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'll take a 6 pack of that....... :beer:

[Derrico]

Overtime losses count the same as regulation losses in DeLucaland. So Buffalo is 9 games over .500 in regulation games, with 9 OT losses, so the team is .500.

 

It really means nothing as it is a bizarre metric. On this scale, a team that is 40-17-25 with 105 pts is inferior to a 42-40-0 team with 84 points. If the league had a 3 point game system with overtime wins being worth 2 and the loss 1 or no overtime points for the loser, the metric would have some meaning. Without a change in the NHL point system, however, the DeLuca .500 is as meaningful as adding or subtracting from a team's record based on how many SI swimsuit models the players on the team date.

 

Oh snap. Nice :clapping:

[PromoTheRobot]

Another reason the "DL500" means jack squat is because under the old NHL rules those "losses" would be tie games. Now it's true some of our wins would be ties as well. Does NHL.com maintain enhanced stats that break down what wins are regulation, OT and shootout? I'd be curious to see what our record would be under the old NHL rules.

 

PTR

[deluca67]

Overtime losses count the same as regulation losses in DeLucaland. So Buffalo is 9 games over .500 in regulation games, with 9 OT losses, so the team is .500.

 

It really means nothing as it is a bizarre metric. On this scale, a team that is 40-17-25 with 105 pts is inferior to a 42-40-0 team with 84 points. If the league had a 3 point game system with overtime wins being worth 2 and the loss 1 or no overtime points for the loser, the metric would have some meaning. Without a change in the NHL point system, however, the DeLuca .500 is as meaningful as adding or subtracting from a team's record based on how many SI swimsuit models the players on the team date.

You might want to spend some time looking at the standings. .500 means playoffs in the East. The 8 teams .500 and above hold playoff spots. 7 teams under do not. As I stated months ago, patting myself on the back, .500 and goal differential were the stats to watch. All 7 teams not holding a playoff spot have negative goal differentials. The only team in the East that bucks that trend are the Lightning, 4 games over and a minus 7.

[PromoTheRobot]

I'm thinking you need to chill a bit too. Deluca uses wins and losses cuz it removes the semantics of the "bonus point". His method isn't smoke and mirrors. It's simply % of wins, and its a damn good metric in my book. I mean, the point is winning right?

 

It is a playoff metric when you think about it. Ain't no bonus points to be had after the 82nd game is played.

The best metric is points percentage. Anything else is meaningless.

 

PTR

[wjag]

You might want to spend some time looking at the standings. .500 means playoffs in the East. The 8 teams .500 and above hold playoff spots. 7 teams under do not. As I stated months ago, patting myself on the back, .500 and goal differential were the stats to watch. All 7 teams not holding a playoff spot have negative goal differentials. The only team in the East that bucks that trend are the Lightning, 4 games over and a minus 7.

And sinking like a rock..

[deluca67]

Another reason the "DL500" means jack squat is because under the old NHL rules those "losses" would be tie games. Now it's true some of our wins would be ties as well. Does NHL.com maintain enhanced stats that break down what wins are regulation, OT and shootout? I'd be curious to see what our record would be under the old NHL rules.

 

PTR

If the NHL stopped using this NASCAR type point system and based the standings on simple wins and loses the Sabres would still be eight in the East.

[Weave]

The best metric is points percentage. Anything else is meaningless.

 

PTR

 

Points percentage gives you standings. It gives you nothing else. Deluca's post above yours gives an example of how other metrics can be used to gauge performance. Don't be so closed minded to other ways of looking at data.

 

The hate is strong in you.

[Stoner]

Another reason the "DL500" means jack squat is because under the old NHL rules those "losses" would be tie games. Now it's true some of our wins would be ties as well. Does NHL.com maintain enhanced stats that break down what wins are regulation, OT and shootout? I'd be curious to see what our record would be under the old NHL rules.

 

PTR

 

They'd be 24-28-22.

[deluca67]

Points percentage gives you standings. It gives you nothing else. Deluca's post above yours gives an example of how other metrics can be used to gauge performance. Don't be so closed minded to other ways of looking at data.

 

The hate is strong in you.

You are correct. They are missing the point. They are talking about seeding while I'm talking about "gauging performance" as you said.

 

On this scale, a team that is 40-17-25 with 105 pts is inferior to a 42-40-0 team with 84 points.

I would consider a team with 42 wins on par with a team with only 40, 2 wins is a very small differential. I used this example before, I would consider a team that went 41-41 a much better team than one that went 0-0-82. They would have the same amount of points, one is clearly a better team than the other.

[carpandean]

The idea of the classic "500" measure was that you knew a team was above average. If there are only wins and losses, then it's easy. With the current system, the "500" is a measure of your ability to gain point. However, "average" is actually around "560" and isn't constant.

 

There are plenty of better measures for "average" under the current system. Deluca's 500 is one, I use my 93 point "playoff pace" as basically another (though, I'd probably use 91 or 92, which corresponds to 0.560, for average; 93 is to be relatively certain of making it), and the one that PA showed is another. None of them are perfect, because the 2/3-point system doesn't allow for a perfect system like the W/L system.

[Wraith]

Points percentage gives you standings. It gives you nothing else.

In the regular season, standings are everything. Especially this late in the regular season. Has anyone checked into how this supposed "Deluca Metric" predicts playoff performance? We've got five years worth of data to look at.

[Punch]

Another reason the "DL500" means jack squat is because under the old NHL rules those "losses" would be tie games. Now it's true some of our wins would be ties as well. Does NHL.com maintain enhanced stats that break down what wins are regulation, OT and shootout? I'd be curious to see what our record would be under the old NHL rules.

 

PTR

 

NHL.com lists shootout records in their regular standings--- based on that, the Sabres would be 32-37-6, worth 70 pts and currently placing them 9th, 1 pt back of the 8th place Hurricanes.

 

My math could be off, but these would be the current Eastern Conference standings:

 

1. 
    
   
2. PHI 91 (41-29-9)
   
3. WAS 87 (39-32-9)
   
4. BOS 85 (39-32-7)
   
5. PIT 83 (36-31-11)
   
6. MON 80 (37-35-6)
   
7. TB 78 (33-35-12)
   
8. NYR 75 (32-35-11)
   
9. CAR 71 (31-39-9)
   
10. BUF 70 (32-37-6)
    
11. TOR 69 (30-41-9)
    
12. NJ 67 (31-40-5)
    
13. ATL 65 (27-43-11)
    

[Eleven]

NHL.com lists shootout records in their regular standings--- based on that, the Sabres would be 32-37-6, worth 70 pts and currently placing them 9th, 1 pt back of the 8th place Hurricanes.

 

My math could be off, but these would be the current Eastern Conference standings:

 

1. 
    
   
2. PHI 91 (41-29-9)
   
3. WAS 87 (39-32-9)
   
4. BOS 85 (39-32-7)
   
5. PIT 83 (36-31-11)
   
6. MON 80 (37-35-6)
   
7. TB 78 (33-35-12)
   
8. NYR 75 (32-35-11)
   
9. CAR 71 (31-39-9)
   
10. BUF 70 (32-37-6)
    
11. TOR 69 (30-41-9)
    
12. NJ 67 (31-40-5)
    
13. ATL 65 (27-43-11)
    

 

Problem is, as PTR pointed out, some of the wins for every team would also be ties under the old system. Without looking up each team's complete result history, it's impossible to make the calculation.