nbash Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Might have to bring Razor out of retirement that night, since no current Sabres specialize in retribution...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Might have to bring Razor out of retirement that night, since no current Sabres specialize in retribution... um? McCormick Regehr Gaustad Weber
thesportsbuff Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 um? McCormick Regehr Gaustad Weber I'll give you McCormick, and Weber to an extent (but not really)... but Regehr hasn't done anything yet as a Sabre, and Gaustad is about the farthest thing from a "retribution specialist" we have... besides his one fight in the post-season that everyone seems to think restored his value. :thumbsup:
nbash Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Um... I can only assume you were satisfied with the Andrew Peters era of non-beat downs
X. Benedict Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Gerbe can score 30 in this league and so can Ennis. I don't think you are wrong...but I think that is on the high end of both of their production range.
sabres1970 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Ennis has a better chance to score 30 in my opinion. One of them might, but i highly doubt they both will,
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Posted August 29, 2011 If you project Gerbe's season totals to factor in for an entire season, i think he can easily reach 25 if he stays healthy. 30 may be a stretch, but he's certainly capable. Ennis on the other hand, is going to be a force, barring any kind of injury. The key with his season will be his shot totals. The kid has one hell of a shot, and seems to be able to score from angles you normally don't see. he's only going to get better. It may not happen this year, but i think he has the potential to be a 30g 40+a kind of player.
Andrew Amerk Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Might have to bring Razor out of retirement that night, since no current Sabres specialize in retribution... I would go with Rumun Ndur.
X. Benedict Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 If you project Gerbe's season totals to factor in for an entire season, i think he can easily reach 25 if he stays healthy. 30 may be a stretch, but he's certainly capable. 20 goals is more than satisfactory in a 3rd line role. I'd be very surprised to see him score more than 25. Ennis on the other hand, is going to be a force, barring any kind of injury. The key with his season will be his shot totals. The kid has one hell of a shot, and seems to be able to score from angles you normally don't see. he's only going to get better. It may not happen this year, but i think he has the potential to be a 30g 40+a kind of player. For Ennis to score 30 he'd need to get close to or over 300 shots or play closer to the net. I really like his game, but I don't think he gets 250 shots. Actually the last Sabre to have 250 was probably Kotalik.
Bullwinkle Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 For Ennis to score 30 he'd need to get close to or over 300 shots or play closer to the net. I really like his game, but I don't think he gets 250 shots. Actually the last Sabre to have 250 was probably Kotalik. I think that the shooting percentage of any player depends upon the opportunities he creates for himself. Kotalik has a cannon shot but not the moves of Ennis. You don't have to shoot the puck at 100 mph to score goals. Ennis has the moves that will generate more opportunities than many players and so I do believe he's capable of 30 without the enormous shot total.
X. Benedict Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 I think that the shooting percentage of any player depends upon the opportunities he creates for himself. Kotalik has a cannon shot but not the moves of Ennis. You don't have to shoot the puck at 100 mph to score goals. Ennis has the moves that will generate more opportunities than many players and so I do believe he's capable of 30 without the enormous shot total. I would would be delighted to see it. But he's going to have to be a lot more active down low to get those kind of high percentage shots. I think 25 goals would be a great season for him...but I expect it is more likely he'll get 40 assists than 30 goals.
BetweenThePipes00 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 I would would be delighted to see it. But he's going to have to be a lot more active down low to get those kind of high percentage shots. I think 25 goals would be a great season for him...but I expect it is more likely he'll get 40 assists than 30 goals. I agree ... and if he can get 65-70 points a year like that, no one should have anything to complain about. If he wants to get it up over 30 goals, he's going to need to live around the crease and behind the net on the PP like Briere did/does ... and who knows, maybe he will on a better PP in the coming years. Briere didn't figure it out really until his late 20s ...
X. Benedict Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 I agree ... and if he can get 65-70 points a year like that, no one should have anything to complain about. If he wants to get it up over 30 goals, he's going to need to live around the crease and behind the net on the PP like Briere did/does ... and who knows, maybe he will on a better PP in the coming years. Briere didn't figure it out really until his late 20s ... Ennis playing the Briere part to Leino wouldn't be out of the question. The one part of Briere's game that is the most underrated IMO is his leg and core strength. Not everyone can play that role near the net, even if they have the hands.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Posted August 29, 2011 20 goals is more than satisfactory in a 3rd line role. I'd be very surprised to see him score more than 25. For Ennis to score 30 he'd need to get close to or over 300 shots or play closer to the net. I really like his game, but I don't think he gets 250 shots. Actually the last Sabre to have 250 was probably Kotalik. If we keep boyes in the lineup and actually use him as a winger alongside say hecht on the third line (so the line would be gerbe boyes w/ hecht up the middle) then i think gerbe's goal threshold goes up big time. As far as Ennis, I still think this kid is going to set the net on fire starting in the next few years. Scouts didn't label him as the most talented "purely offensive" player in the draft for no reason. look for big things.
LGR4GM Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Tyler Ennis is the first sabre Ive seen since july 1 2007 that has the ability to control a game. Thats only going to become a more pronounced skill as time goes forward. Ennis will never be the grittiest player but he surely has to be one of the most skilled players this team has seen. He has a true sniping ability when it comes to his scoring and has the speed to undress defenders. His hands are probably only second to Vanek's. I expect Tyler Ennis to eventually top 80pts a season regularly and would not be surprised if he hits 60pts this season. Gerbe is a tenacious player with some good skills who may not ever crack the top 2 lines but he certainly has more than just hockey skill. I think we may see a leader emerge in him, but time shall tell.
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Tyler Ennis is the first sabre Ive seen since july 1 2007 that has the ability to control a game. Thats only going to become a more pronounced skill as time goes forward. Ennis will never be the grittiest player but he surely has to be one of the most skilled players this team has seen. He has a true sniping ability when it comes to his scoring and has the speed to undress defenders. His hands are probably only second to Vanek's. I expect Tyler Ennis to eventually top 80pts a season regularly and would not be surprised if he hits 60pts this season. Gerbe is a tenacious player with some good skills who may not ever crack the top 2 lines but he certainly has more than just hockey skill. I think we may see a leader emerge in him, but time shall tell. Myers has the ability to control a game and so does Vanek. Both more so than Ennis without question.
LGR4GM Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Myers has the ability to control a game and so does Vanek. Both more so than Ennis without question. Ennis brings something that Vaneks doesnt, I cant tell you want its just a feeling from watching him. Myers is an all star in the making and yes he can control games
SabresFan526 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Ennis is more of a playmaker in my mind. Gerbe is more of a goal scorer and finisher. Ironic I say that since Ennis scored more goals this year than Gerbe. But, I think there's something to it. To me Ennis is going to be a 70-80 point guy for much of his career consistently scoring about 20-25 goals and getting about 50 assists a year. I don't see him as a guy who will score 30 goals. I also don't see Gerbe scoring more than 30 goals either. I think Gerbe at his peak can score between 25 and 30, but not more than 30 and can be a 50-60 point guy. Both guys will contribute, but in different ways and I think they are very different players in their styles, but can both contribute to the success of the team.
... Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Myers has the ability to control a game and so does Vanek. Both more so than Ennis without question. Myers can now, yes, absolutely. Vanek? Eh, I dunno. If we saw that from him I think a lot less people would be questioning him as a potential captain. Can Vanek see the chance to take advantage of a game and seize it like I think Myers already can? I have yet to figure that one out - I THINK he can - but he's way too inconsistent to determine if it's happenstance or will. Ennis? Too green and not a natural leader like Myers (neither is Vanek), so this has to develop yet as his experience grows and he works on his skillz. If Ennis doesn't Max out on us, and he continues to develop his natural abilities, I think he will be able to take over games. I think Gerbe has more innate leadership ability than any of them (excepting the guys acquired this off-season, whom I can not judge), and may be able to take over a game if he continues to work on his skills. And I hate to say it, but if Roy could grow up and BECOME professional (not ACT professional - two different states of mind), he has the skill to take over some games. This is not to say the above dudes don't already put their foot down in SOME (few, too few) games, but, really, we haven't seen a Sabre really take command of the ice in a long while.
Andrew Amerk Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Ennis brings something that Vaneks doesnt, I cant tell you want its just a feeling from watching him. Myers is an all star in the making and yes he can control games The fact that other players have stated that Ennis wants the puck in OT and critical moments, and wants to be the one to end games, speaks volumes. Also, Myers has been showing a propensity to learn how to control the tempo and speed of games, which is incredible.
Bullwinkle Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Just an anecdote on Ennis. How many times have you seen a game from the opposing team's broadcast crew in which they highlight a play where nothing really happened? Well in the Philly series Ennis took the puck into the Philly end and was confronted by two Flyers while against the wall. He had nowhere to go and then suddenly made an unbelievable move to slip between them. But then he lost the puck and it was taken out of the zone. This play was highlighted by the Flyer announcers simply for the amazing moves of Ennis even though nothing happened as a result. I think that says a lot.
dEnnis the Menace Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 I really don't see Ennis becoming the next Max for one major reason: if he loses the puck, he doesn't give up on the play. Too many time I watched as Max gave up the puck, and just stopped skating, or lackadaisically skated back. Ennis continues to fight for the puck. I could see Ennis being the next Briere rather than Max. Gerbe has a tenacity about him that gives him a huge edge over a lot of our competition. He doesn't care if you're his size, or Chara/Myers sized. The kid has balls. Ennis is by far my favorite player, followed closely by Myers and Gerbe. I can see these 3 guys being here for a long time.
X. Benedict Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Ennis is a beautiful player to watch in the open ice, and he has great skills. But, I choose to ere on the conservative and statistical side of things. I don't see Ennis shooting percentage jumping from 9.5% to 15% without a radical change in his style of game. He may find some more space to work with simply with experience, but I think his skills are pretty complete right now...therefore I don't see a lot more production coming from him in terms of goals unless he spends time in the dirty areas.
FolignosJock Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Just an anecdote on Ennis. How many times have you seen a game from the opposing team's broadcast crew in which they highlight a play where nothing really happened? Well in the Philly series Ennis took the puck into the Philly end and was confronted by two Flyers while against the wall. He had nowhere to go and then suddenly made an unbelievable move to slip between them. But then he lost the puck and it was taken out of the zone. This play was highlighted by the Flyer announcers simply for the amazing moves of Ennis even though nothing happened as a result. I think that says a lot. When Gerbe flipped the puck high over the last defenders head and skated in on the goalie alone I almost cried, and then he couldnt finish and I did cry. That may have been one of the greatest dekes? I have ever seen quite impressive.
nfreeman Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Ennis playing the Briere part to Leino wouldn't be out of the question. The one part of Briere's game that is the most underrated IMO is his leg and core strength. Not everyone can play that role near the net, even if they have the hands. Excellent post, as always. Separately, IMHO, reasonable expectations for this year would be: Ennis: 23-35-58 Gerbe: 22-25-47 Both of these would represent very good years from these players. Gerbe's productivity will in part depend on ice time and linemates -- if he earns a regular 3rd-line role with, say, Hecht and Pommer, the #s above are reasonably possible. If he's on the 4th line with Gaustad and Kaleta or McCormick, his #s won't get there.
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