DFITZ1 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 so I am gonna kinda defend miller. He is playing alot better (37 saves) and I think he says these things because he truly is a competitor and wants to be better. When he loses and gets angry I am happy that he gives a rats @ss. This team is so weak down the center its laughable. Hecht, connolly, goose... they are not noticable. At 11:10 of either the first or second period connolly let a guy go right behind him and get a scoring oppurtunity so yea we have center issues and have for what now 4 years? We just keep draftin the 5'7" guy with a big heart instead of the 6'2" center with a big body to just cut into the slot. Watch gerbe or ennis try to cut it. If they arent faster then they just get forced out. We need a center for them who can just go right through a guy and I dont think we have that guy in portland either. Miller allowed 5 goals in 3 games and played very well. The offense had 3 goals in 5 games and played like that stuff you find at the bottom of a urinal. Tuesday can not get here soon enough and if Pegula doesnt fire the whole FO and coaches hes stupid. Why is gerbe playing on a line with lets see umm no one. He had 3 shots and barely played. This team makes no sense and are disgusting to watch. FIRE REGIER NOW!!! and Fire Ruff if he cant coach better. :wallbash: Versus commentors just praised Miller for an outstanding game and admonished the rest of the team except Stafford. Some may not care for them, but they're speaking more truth than the Miller pundits right now.
X. Benedict Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Captains don't continually throw their teammates under the bus. Okay, I'll bite. Which teammate has he thrown under the bus? Which one? The only thing that matters to most of these guys is what gets said when the doors are closed. And there he could be a real ass - But he probably isn't.
Eleven Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Posted February 21, 2011 I thought you might get to 11, Eleven. 7. is harsh. Kind of like 05-07 around here eh? Fan bases wax and wane. Certainly there have been periods in Sabres history where the on-ice product hurt attendance and enthusiasm. Nowadays, like the Bills, there seems to be no correlation between product and attendance, which is too bad. Probably the only thing that would have gotten OSP's attention would have been half-full houses. Glad you met some Spacers. I have family in Chicago. I was there the day the 'Hawks drafted Kane, and said family didn't even know there was a draft, much less that their team had a first-overall pick. I also went to the outdoor game at Wrigley, where several family members AND others in the crowd understood the game well enough, but didn't know the 'Hawks' roster--I had to explain. I feel qualified to comment. That city started caring about hockey in 2009 after nearly 20 years of not caring, and in about a month or so, it will begin another 20 year period of not caring. Do not compare this to Buffalo, where we have two major-league teams and no "real" college sports. Chicago has five major league teams and the city is obsessed with Big Ten college sports. The Blackhawks don't really matter there. I'll repeat the story about being in Chicago last year, one hour before (I think) game three of the semifinals, six blocks from the arena, and seeing no hockey spirit whatsoever, no jerseys, hats, etc. (and the bartender at Morton's didn't even know there was a game) if you really need me to. Oh, I just did. As for the comment (don't remember whose) about calling out other teams' fan bases; I will continue to identify BS fan bases. Washington? Bandwagoners. I've told the stories about my time there enough, also. No fans until Ovie was drafted (despite a more successful team with Kolzig and Bondra). Saint Louis? I didn't call out their fans; someone else may have, but I consider that city to be a solid hockey city. This city has had exactly one period where the fanbase waned, and it had quite a bit to do with the owners being prosecuted and the team in BK. Special circumstances, indeed. This is a great hockey city. I have been very tempted to bring this up but haven't because I figured a flame war would start soon after. Kaleta is way more popular than Kennedy was but he just doesn't bring much to the game if he isn't being an effective uber-pest. When he is neutralized as a pain-in-the-ass he is nearly worthless. I am hoping that Foligno makes Kaleta irrelevant next season and we can trade him for another resource. It's not that I don't like him, I admire his pluck, but he just doesn't look to me like the type of player a Stanley Cup contender can afford to have on the roster. Amen.
deluca67 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Okay, I'll bite. Which teammate has he thrown under the bus? Which one? The only thing that matters to most of these guys is what gets said when the doors are closed. And there he could be a real ass - But he probably isn't. Doesn't he continually talk about playing the system and staying with in the system after loses? He is quick to point out slow starts by his teammates and the infamous "fragile" comment comes to mind as well.
X. Benedict Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Doesn't he continually talk about playing the system and staying with in the system after loses? He is quick to point out slow starts by his teammates and the infamous "fragile" comment comes to mind as well. I guess I remember when Miller was asked what he meant by that he said, We can't play like we are afraid to lose. (paraphrase) But I see the statement has taken on a life of its own here. It's better to talk in cliches like Nuke Laruche. Anyway, he did win the Vezina that year at least. ;)
donteatyellowsnow Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Quit on him? If they quit on Miller, then they quit on themselves and the fans. Miller's been blasted when he has a bad game, AND blasted when he has a good game (yes, 2 goals allowed is a good game). No wonder he's pissed. Blasted by who? The media, the fans, even his coach on occasion but NEVER once has a team mate ever blasted him. You don't think the rest of the team was pissed for scoring 6 the other night and losing because he couldn't stop a beachball? Or how about the other 15 or so games where he has let in 4+ goals. Again tell me when you have heard a team mate of his blast him? He has sucked since the Olympics ended and if you can't see that i feel sorry for you. He is no where near good enough to keep throwing team mates under the bus. He needs to shut his pie hole and just stop the puck and win games.
87168 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Blasted by who? The media, the fans, even his coach on occasion but NEVER once has a team mate ever blasted him. You don't think the rest of the team was pissed for scoring 6 the other night and losing because he couldn't stop a beachball? Or how about the other 15 or so games where he has let in 4+ goals. Again tell me when you have heard a team mate of his blast him? He has sucked since the Olympics ended and if you can't see that i feel sorry for you. He is no where near good enough to keep throwing team mates under the bus. He needs to shut his pie hole and just stop the puck and win games. Calm down man, seriously. You're taking this discussion to a whole other level.
X. Benedict Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Calm down man, seriously. You're taking this discussion to a whole other level. Miller seems to be taking a lot of heat. Coming away from these last three all I've I've heard people say is "Well, at least Miller has been pretty good to watch." :beer: Because these have been epic clunkers.
deluca67 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Calm down man, seriously. You're taking this discussion to a whole other level. That's not a bad thing.
DFITZ1 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Blasted by who? The media, the fans, even his coach on occasion but NEVER once has a team mate ever blasted him. You don't think the rest of the team was pissed for scoring 6 the other night and losing because he couldn't stop a beachball? Or how about the other 15 or so games where he has let in 4+ goals. Again tell me when you have heard a team mate of his blast him? He has sucked since the Olympics ended and if you can't see that i feel sorry for you. He is no where near good enough to keep throwing team mates under the bus. He needs to shut his pie hole and just stop the puck and win games. You read me wrong, I meant the media and fans (ex. PA), not the players. Sorry about the confusion. Most likely, Millers been pissed at the guys in front of him, more than the guys in front have been PO'd at him.
DFITZ1 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Blasted by who? The media, the fans, even his coach on occasion but NEVER once has a team mate ever blasted him. You don't think the rest of the team was pissed for scoring 6 the other night and losing because he couldn't stop a beachball? Or how about the other 15 or so games where he has let in 4+ goals. Again tell me when you have heard a team mate of his blast him? He has sucked since the Olympics ended and if you can't see that i feel sorry for you. He is no where near good enough to keep throwing team mates under the bus. He needs to shut his pie hole and just stop the puck and win games. Win games? Are you saying that Miller lost the last 2 games? If so, you don't know hockey.
BuffalOhio Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Blow it up and build for the future. 3 wins in a row might make me think differently, but this team is a pretender....
Bmwolf21 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Versus commentors just praised Miller for an outstanding game and admonished the rest of the team except Stafford. Some may not care for them, but they're speaking more truth than the Miller pundits right now. Good to hear. I have family in Chicago. I was there the day the 'Hawks drafted Kane, and said family didn't even know there was a draft, much less that their team had a first-overall pick. I also went to the outdoor game at Wrigley, where several family members AND others in the crowd understood the game well enough, but didn't know the 'Hawks' roster--I had to explain. I feel qualified to comment. That city started caring about hockey in 2009 after nearly 20 years of not caring, and in about a month or so, it will begin another 20 year period of not caring. Do not compare this to Buffalo, where we have two major-league teams and no "real" college sports. Chicago has five major league teams and the city is obsessed with Big Ten college sports. The Blackhawks don't really matter there. I'll repeat the story about being in Chicago last year, one hour before (I think) game three of the semifinals, six blocks from the arena, and seeing no hockey spirit whatsoever, no jerseys, hats, etc. (and the bartender at Morton's didn't even know there was a game) if you really need me to. Oh, I just did. Someone will have to fill in the specifics, but I've always been under the impression that old Dollar Bill Wirtz did everything in his power to systematically alienate a strong fan base and it hasn't started to turn around until he passed and his sons took over as owners/president.
DFITZ1 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Someone will have to fill in the specifics, but I've always been under the impression that old Dollar Bill Wirtz did everything in his power to systematically alienate a strong fan base and it hasn't started to turn around until he passed and his sons took over as owners/president. That is true. He held a tight rein on operations (and in a wrong way) and wouldn't even let Bobby Hull back for promotions, etc. After he passed, the sons brought back the old timers to regenerate the fans and started re-building the team.
LGR4GM Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 aww big bad ryan miller said we arent playing offense well cry wa wa wa :( guess what you did suck so deal with it!!!!!!!!!! :wallbash:
87168 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 aww big bad ryan miller said we arent playing offense well cry wa wa wa :( guess what you did suck so deal with it!!!!!!!!!! :wallbash: well, isn't that the truth. We didn't play offensively. So far in our home set (3 games) we've scored only 2 goals. That's unacceptable from anyone's stand point. And Miller has been playing pretty well since that Isles games. Not as good as he's played in the past but well.
DFITZ1 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 aww big bad ryan miller said we arent playing offense well cry wa wa wa :( guess what you did suck so deal with it!!!!!!!!!! :wallbash: You must be one of those experts who thinks Miller must deliver a shutout or, God forbid, a single goal or he's history. That's ridiculous! Goal scoring has been terrible on this team all year. Numerous rebounds missed, bad angle shots (Hecht especially), taking too long to "Tee it up" and shoot (in other words, our forwards take so long to shoot, that the opposing team defenses the shot before it's ever taken).
bunomatic Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 You must be one of those experts who thinks Miller must deliver a shutout or, God forbid, a single goal or he's history. That's ridiculous! Goal scoring has been terrible on this team all year. Numerous rebounds missed, bad angle shots (Hecht especially), taking too long to "Tee it up" and shoot (in other words, our forwards take so long to shoot, that the opposing team defenses the shot before it's ever taken). You ever notice that we never have sustained pressure on the other goalie or defence? Even when we have a power play. There's something wrong with the way this team is being coached or we just don't have the horses to compete the way other teams do. Even Toronto had more zone time in Millers end than we had in the laughs end. Is it a lack of quality centres or just a lack of real talent in general.
Weave Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 You ever notice that we never have sustained pressure on the other goalie or defence? Even when we have a power play. There's something wrong with the way this team is being coached or we just don't have the horses to compete the way other teams do. Even Toronto had more zone time in Millers end than we had in the laughs end. Is it a lack of quality centres or just a lack of real talent in general. My vote is for a lack of real talent. IMO we have one 1st line forward, when Roy is healthy we have the makings of a respectable 2nd and 3rd line. And our defence is very thin on talent. IMO Myers (and Weber lately) is a 2nd pair guy on most teams. So is Morissonn. Leopold is a 3rd pair guy. Same with Monty. For the last 4 seasons this team is playing guys in roles they aren't capable of. 2nd liners are put in #1 line roles, 3rd liners are populating our 2nd line, and we have two 4th lines. Pretty much the same story is true on defence.
X. Benedict Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 You ever notice that we never have sustained pressure on the other goalie or defence? Even when we have a power play. There's something wrong with the way this team is being coached or we just don't have the horses to compete the way other teams do. Even Toronto had more zone time in Millers end than we had in the laughs end. Is it a lack of quality centres or just a lack of real talent in general. The problem as I see it.....Tim C is the only center that is making consistently good entries. Gaustad can't carry it in the zone, but provides good puck support for the wingers in the Corners. Tim is the opposite, he can gain the zone, but isn't terrific with support. There is nobody else. Occasionally the wings are bringing it in, Ennis in particular, Pomiville to some degree, and teams are squeezing these guys out as soon as they wheel around high. They can't break down the defense from the points. For the past few weeks (without Roy) the Sabres got away with overloading one side and then throwing it to the opposite corner to the third forward or even the defense-man, like a timing play. Toronto, St. Louis and Washington have picked up on it. The other option is having the wingers move to center to bring it through the middle. Gerbe does okay at times, but him and Hecht are wingers. Like it or not, the strength of this team is the wings. They just don't have the puck support in the offensive zone to beat teams playing well. Ruff really has done a decent job with a limited team IMO. They just don't have good options through the middle. A hot power-play was keeping these guys alive. Byron and Adam are promising but not quite there yet. Not having Roy makes this a pretty one dimensional team.
LGR4GM Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 You must be one of those experts who thinks Miller must deliver a shutout or, God forbid, a single goal or he's history. That's ridiculous! Goal scoring has been terrible on this team all year. Numerous rebounds missed, bad angle shots (Hecht especially), taking too long to "Tee it up" and shoot (in other words, our forwards take so long to shoot, that the opposing team defenses the shot before it's ever taken). Ummm actually I am making fun of the offense and if Miller needs a shutout to win that says how crappy the offense is. Sarcasm was lost on you. :oops: :wallbash:
darksabre Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Ummm actually I am making fun of the offense and if Miller needs a shutout to win that says how crappy the offense is. Sarcasm was lost on you. :oops: :wallbash: Actually, it was your poor grammar that failed to make the point clear. One person here guessed your intention right, one wrong, and the rest of us just sorta left it alone. But I'm not here to be a grammar cop. Just saying I can see where your post could have been interpreted both ways.
carpandean Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Just watched the game ... I hate this :censored: team ... that is all ... <_< (And before anyone says it, by "this team", I mean it's current edition. Still love the Sabres.)
DFITZ1 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 You ever notice that we never have sustained pressure on the other goalie or defence? Even when we have a power play. There's something wrong with the way this team is being coached or we just don't have the horses to compete the way other teams do. Even Toronto had more zone time in Millers end than we had in the laughs end. Is it a lack of quality centres or just a lack of real talent in general. Absolutely, good point! Our forwards are like a football offense that can consistently drive inside teh 30 yard line but rarely gets a TD. On power plays and 5 on 5 I've seen on occassion, excellent puck control around the boards, but that's where it ends. Rarely do they get the puck to the slot or in position for a quality shot. And, when a shot is taken, it is weak or well defensed; rarely producing a quality scoring chance let alone a goal. We have some fine puck handlers (Connelly, Ennis, Vanek and others), but poor decision making (in Connelly's case, none, he stickhandles himself into a corner and gets the puck extracted) and slow shot set-up (need more one timers, the SC finalist used them a lot last June) The drain of talent might be one reason why Ruff did not extend his contract. He doesn't have, or worse yet, lost the players who can finish those plays. He may not say it in public, but the FO led talent drain hung him out to dry.
DFITZ1 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Ummm actually I am making fun of the offense and if Miller needs a shutout to win that says how crappy the offense is. Sarcasm was lost on you. :oops: :wallbash: It didn't come out that way to me at first, and with all the Miller pundits running rampant since the Isles game (some even employed by the Buffalo News), it was easy to think Miller was being blasted again. But, all's well, I see your point now.
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