Stoner Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 It was an embarrassing outing for Miller. He still gives them a good chance of winning, but I don't think anyone's hung 7 goals on him in quite some time. My bet is that Miller does not want to disclose an injury. I think it's a groin, but tell a reporter and you are telling the entire league. Maybe Ryan was embarrassed, hence the pricklyness. Or maybe he honestly believed only one of the goal was bad (that's what he said) and resented the questioning. Strange reaction to the question. I have a good imagination and will spare the board my crazy conspiracy theory about how Ryan really read the question. I find it interesting that with the old guard about to leave, it's almost like Mubarak has fled and now the media is emboldened. Jerry and Bucky have always been rabble rousers, but of late Mike Harrington has gotten into it. And now John Vogl! Holy cow!
JJFIVEOH Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Jerry Sullivan's column on the Miller post-game rant - Link- http://www.buffalone...ticle341056.ece Seriously Jerry? They lose out on one point while scoring six goals and it's all of a sudden doom and gloom? Come on....... If it turns out this team doesn't make the playoffs, I really doubt this is the deciding factor.
Stoner Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Millsie accuses Vogsie of writing his game stories in the second period!!!! Now this is more like it. The Sabres lose. All hell breaks loose. PA puts his leg over his head and licks the fur around his gooch.
rickshaw Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Just read the Buffalo News article and I quite frankly, loved it. No sugar coating it, no smoothing it over. Call it like it is. Miller is burnt out. 2.78 in today's NHL is awful, just awful. But this falls on Ruff and Reiger for not using and employing a decent backup. Oh how I long for Mika Noronen.
X. Benedict Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Maybe Ryan was embarrassed, hence the pricklyness. Or maybe he honestly believed only one of the goal was bad (that's what he said) and resented the questioning. Strange reaction to the question. I have a good imagination and will spare the board my crazy conspiracy theory about how Ryan really read the question. I find it interesting that with the old guard about to leave, it's almost like Mubarak has fled and now the media is emboldened. Jerry and Bucky have always been rabble rousers, but of late Mike Harrington has gotten into it. And now John Vogl! Holy cow! There is something missing. Vogl, from being around the club knows exactly what Miller is battling physically (or not)...Vogl was opening a chance for Miller to go on the record with it. That's why Miller snapped. IMO. These guys know what the upper and lower body injuries are, they just have a pact to keep them off the record. It's an etiquette thing.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 There is something missing. Vogl, from being around the club knows exactly what Miller is battling physically (or not)...Vogl was opening a chance for Miller to go on the record with it. That's why Miller snapped. IMO. These guys know what the upper and lower body injuries are, they just have a pact to keep them off the record. It's an etiquette thing. If Ryan Miller has a long term injury that is known to this team, and Lindy Ruff plays him 30+ games.........Ruff needs to be fired TWICE!!!! You risk the future of your goalie and team for a 10-1 shot at even making the playoffs???? Jessie Pegula.....make sure you don't take any training or medical advice from your Dad's new team. BTW....she is built like an athlete.
X. Benedict Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 If Ryan Miller has a long term injury that is known to this team, and Lindy Ruff plays him 30+ games.........Ruff needs to be fired TWICE!!!! You risk the future of your goalie and team for a 10-1 shot at even making the playoffs???? Jessie Pegula.....make sure you don't take any training or medical advice from your Dad's new team. BTW....she is built like an athlete. That wasn't what I was suggesting, exactly. Miller just had 10 days off for the all-star break. He can go. Is he 100%?....I'm doubting many guys are, especially at this point. Groins can be tricky, you can be loose one day and tight the next. You may feel you have a strong step at the beginning of the game and not at the end, or the opposite. Except for the Islanders, Miller has been pretty good this month.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 That wasn't what I was suggesting, exactly. Miller just had 10 days off for the all-star break. He can go. Is he 100%?....I'm doubting many guys are, especially at this point. Groins can be tricky, you can be loose one day and tight the next. You may feel you have a strong step at the beginning of the game and not at the end, or the opposite. Except for the Islanders, Miller has been pretty good this month. It's going to get much worse if he is not up to snuff. He was in deep even at 100%. He played almost 30 straight going into the break. If he is 175 lbs to start the season, I'm guessing going into the break he was probably 168-169. In 10 days sure he got some rest, but I bet he's still 171 now if I took a guess. He plays 90% of the rest of the year and he'll be 163-165 by the playoffs. Again, just speculating....but I would bet he'd admit to something similar in private. Lindy's handling of him is always going to be the weakest link. I say it year after year, and it is mind boggling how they can't figure it out or haven't had someone beat them over the head to make it stop.
SwampD Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 I can't remember a game where opposing players snuck into the slot, undefended by the forwards, as often as they did today. I thought that hurt us more than the sketchy D play today. A side note to this, Goose had just a rancid day defensively. On the game tying goal he had a chance to clear the puck on the near boards and decided to hold it to try and get a centering pass. It was almost like he forgot they were on the kill.
WanderingEye Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 The most inexplicable thing about the game to me is how they couldn't score more goals on Al Montoya, sixth stringer who they had to trade for a few days before. He came in misplaying pucks left and right and flopping around the crease like a fish and yet he managed to walk away with the W after the Sabres could only put two past him.
Two or less Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 The most inexplicable thing about the game to me is how they couldn't score more goals on Al Montoya, sixth stringer who they had to trade for a few days before. He came in misplaying pucks left and right and flopping around the crease like a fish and yet he managed to walk away with the W after the Sabres could only put two past him. They only had like 1 shot on him in his first like 7 minutes of the game, or something ridic like that.
Derrico Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 I know when the team allows 7 goals against you can jump all over the goalie which is fine. But IMO Hecht was absolutely brutal yesterday and again Morisson has not shown that he is near the player I had hoped comming into the season.
Kristian Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 I know when the team allows 7 goals against you can jump all over the goalie which is fine. But IMO Hecht was absolutely brutal yesterday and again Morisson has not shown that he is near the player I had hoped comming into the season. Someone else said that if The Isles had come into this game with a goalie looking even remotely like an NHL player, the Sabres would never have been ahead in this game, and I agree. This team just can't handle winning. They win a few, and all of the sudden they think they can mail it in, and still win the game. Classic Buffalo Sabres, classic Lindy Ruff to not have his team ready and get scored on less than a minute in ON HOME ICE, and classic Lindy Ruff to let his goalie stay in after allowing 6 goals, several atrocious ones. Last night was a statement game, and the Sabres made a statement alright - "We don't have what it takes".
LabattBlue Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 20 goals against. Lost 3 out of 4 games. What would be "How the Sabres did against the Islanders in 10-11".
bunomatic Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 It's just the impression I get of him, that's all. It seems to me he feels like he's put out to have to play here. He never takes the blame (tonight was the first time in a long time I heard him say he made a mistake). It's always somebody (or something) elses fault. Yes it's a blanket statement. I do not know him personally. If I'm wrong and I very well may be, then that's great. I hope I am. In my opinion he has an attitude that brings everybody down and when you're one of the veteran team leaders, that can be damaging. You know you're probably right based on the reports about his hissy fit in the locker room after the isles game.
bunomatic Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Here's to hoping that the new and capable G.M. solves the back up goalie situation. I can give him some advice on how to do it. Are you ready for it. Here it is. GO OUT AND GET ONE! Regier has dropped the ball on this when everyone in hockey has known for some time that Buffalo has a problem when it comes to their back up. Its really too bad that Miller and Lalime are good buds and maybe that has come into play in Regiers decision making process when it shouldn't matter to Regier one iota. The goal is to do what is best for the team and from past events its obvious Regier doesn't always do this.
SwampD Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 You know you're probably right based on the reports about his hissy fit in the locker room after the isles game. Don't we want our franchise goalie to be pissed after he just played the worst game of his career? I know I do. That article just pisses me off at the self-righteousness of the media. I mean really, what the ###### does Sully want Miller to do, sit there and be all smiles and answer useless question after useless question? Give me a break Jerry, and don't kid yourself, it's sports journalism, they are ALL useless questions. The fact that he was pissed means that he does care and he does want to be here.
nfreeman Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Don't we want our franchise goalie to be pissed after he just played the worst game of his career? I know I do. That article just pisses me off at the self-righteousness of the media. I mean really, what the ###### does Sully want Miller to do, sit there and be all smiles and answer useless question after useless question? Give me a break Jerry, and don't kid yourself, it's sports journalism, they are ALL useless questions. The fact that he was pissed means that he does care and he does want to be here. Good call.
Eleven Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Don't we want our franchise goalie to be pissed after he just played the worst game of his career? I know I do. That article just pisses me off at the self-righteousness of the media. I mean really, what the ###### does Sully want Miller to do, sit there and be all smiles and answer useless question after useless question? Give me a break Jerry, and don't kid yourself, it's sports journalism, they are ALL useless questions. The fact that he was pissed means that he does care and he does want to be here. In addition, he definitely acknowledged some personal responsibility based upon audio clips I heard this morning on GR. Referred to one goal as "my mistake" and described how his tactics on Grabner's first goal weren't sufficient to stop the shot.
Stoner Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Don't we want our franchise goalie to be pissed after he just played the worst game of his career? I know I do. That article just pisses me off at the self-righteousness of the media. I mean really, what the ###### does Sully want Miller to do, sit there and be all smiles and answer useless question after useless question? Give me a break Jerry, and don't kid yourself, it's sports journalism, they are ALL useless questions. The fact that he was pissed means that he does care and he does want to be here. I wouldn't describe his behavior as being mad. He is the fragile little kid he accused his teammates of being that time. Always has been. He's not the coach, or the captain. How is it he has the right to constantly call out his teammates? Jeremy White just nailed it, for once. The mistakes the Sabres make around Miller are not as important as Miller not being able to cover up for them enough. Turnovers and system breakdowns in hockey are unavoidable. Miller is back there making what he makes with the ridiculous reputation that he has, to make big saves. That was the MO for Miller at the beginning of his career. The Sabres also want to play an aggressive, risk-taking, D-pinching game knowing Miller will bail them out. There are no excuses. Make a save. And lose the attitude. The back story here is that Vogl notes the diva attitude the guy has when he has to come out of his personal dressing room, being fed caviar, to talk to the media. Olympics, saw the world, married an actress, spent the summer in Cali. Ryan is so Over Buffalo. The time was right last season to trade him. What more do you want to see now? Also, he's a sieve. Mentally weak. Jerry Sullivan was running down the case for this. Goals allowed late in periods. Weak goals allowed to end playoff series, and playoff games. Goals allowed right after the Sabre score -- why? The best evidence is probably goals allowed late in the games when he has a shutout on the line. /rant Jerry got me going.
thesportsbuff Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Posted February 14, 2011 Yesterdays game was a bigger buzz kill than Buzz Killington But seriously... crucial two points we just gave away. Miller played like ######, Lindy probably should have pulled him, and it's a no brainer that the Sabres should have replaced Lalime YEARS ago. The problems within this team and the lack of management addressing them seriously baffle me. The Buffalo Sabres have got to be the biggest embarrassment of an NHL franchise.. I bet other teams, and I KNOW other fans, laugh at us; our freaking captain can't earn a roster spot (but is still the captain), our back-up goalie isn't capable of starting or winning a game, Jordan Leopold is by leaps and bounds the best free agent the team has signed since the lockout, and our annual deadline acquisitions range from getting a player with a broken wrist who has little to no effect on games the rest of the year (Moore), to getting a player who is just plain garbage and has no effect what-so-ever on games the rest of the year (Zubrus, Bernier, Torres). Lindy said it himself in the post game that he "thought about" pulling Miller but decided not to because the game was still within reach. So there you have it-- it doesn't get much more black and white than that. Lindy has ZERO confidence in Lalime (just like the rest of us). So why is he on the roster? Why are we paying him? Our starting goalie has played 30 straight games. If EVER there was a time to play your back-up goalie it was a Sunday afternoon game against the Islanders... but the Sabres don't have that luxury because they refuse to sign a capable back up. Now we have back to back games against division opponents with Miller clearly feeling the effects of starting every game this year -- so what happens? We hand away another two points by starting Lalime one of these games, or does Miller start thirty-two and thirty-three straight and hope a day off was enough rest to correct the problem? If he plays anything like he did tonight we won't stand a chance against Montreal OR Toronto.
waldo Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 With all this chat on Miller this and Miller that, has anyone taken the time to actually digest the fact of just how horrible that defense can be in front of him. No goalie in the world can consistently stop, perfectly screened shots,weak side chances, wide open looks from the slot, or deflections from uncovered sticks. All goalies have good days and bad days, all let soft goals in, and there has been only two or three V Trophy winners in modern history that did not have an awesome defense in front of them. The Sabres defense is far from awesome. Thirty one games in a row is A ton of work. You could probably tag him with one or two softies in that game...big deal given the lanes that were open,the quality of the scoring chances they were giving up and the fact he may have had an off night. Most goalies experience hot and cold streaks.The difference is in the quality of the defense in front of you when you are cold, can they pick you up. With the Sabres the answer is no. He is an excellent goaltender, not yet great. That will take a vastly improved defense in front of him. Anybody talking about trading Miller is just down right foolish.
SwampD Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 I wouldn't describe his behavior as being mad. He is the fragile little kid he accused his teammates of being that time. Always has been. He's not the coach, or the captain. How is it he has the right to constantly call out his teammates? Jeremy White just nailed it, for once. The mistakes the Sabres make around Miller are not as important as Miller not being able to cover up for them enough. Turnovers and system breakdowns in hockey are unavoidable. Miller is back there making what he makes with the ridiculous reputation that he has, to make big saves. That was the MO for Miller at the beginning of his career. The Sabres also want to play an aggressive, risk-taking, D-pinching game knowing Miller will bail them out. There are no excuses. Make a save. And lose the attitude. The back story here is that Vogl notes the diva attitude the guy has when he has to come out of his personal dressing room, being fed caviar, to talk to the media. Olympics, saw the world, married an actress, spent the summer in Cali. Ryan is so Over Buffalo. The time was right last season to trade him. What more do you want to see now? Also, he's a sieve. Mentally weak. Jerry Sullivan was running down the case for this. Goals allowed late in periods. Weak goals allowed to end playoff series, and playoff games. Goals allowed right after the Sabre score -- why? The best evidence is probably goals allowed late in the games when he has a shutout on the line. /rant Jerry got me going. No, the article was about him not being polite after his worst game ever. It was crap. Oh yeah, and we still got a point in that game Jerry. The last time I checked, the Sabres were 12-4-2 in their last eighteen games (that's 18 games at the end of Miller starting 31, Jerry). Yep, that sure seems pretty mentally week to me.
nucci Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 Yesterdays game was a bigger buzz kill than Buzz Killington But seriously... crucial two points we just gave away. Miller played like ######, Lindy probably should have pulled him, and it's a no brainer that the Sabres should have replaced Lalime YEARS ago. The problems within this team and the lack of management addressing them seriously baffle me. The Buffalo Sabres have got to be the biggest embarrassment of an NHL franchise.. I bet other teams, and I KNOW other fans, laugh at us; our freaking captain can't earn a roster spot (but is still the captain), our back-up goalie isn't capable of starting or winning a game, Jordan Leopold is by leaps and bounds the best free agent the team has signed since the lockout, and our annual deadline acquisitions range from getting a player with a broken wrist who has little to no effect on games the rest of the year (Moore), to getting a player who is just plain garbage and has no effect what-so-ever on games the rest of the year (Zubrus, Bernier, Torres). Lindy said it himself in the post game that he "thought about" pulling Miller but decided not to because the game was still within reach. So there you have it-- it doesn't get much more black and white than that. Lindy has ZERO confidence in Lalime (just like the rest of us). So why is he on the roster? Why are we paying him? Our starting goalie has played 30 straight games. If EVER there was a time to play your back-up goalie it was a Sunday afternoon game against the Islanders... but the Sabres don't have that luxury because they refuse to sign a capable back up. Now we have back to back games against division opponents with Miller clearly feeling the effects of starting every game this year -- so what happens? We hand away another two points by starting Lalime one of these games, or does Miller start thirty-two and thirty-three straight and hope a day off was enough rest to correct the problem? If he plays anything like he did tonight we won't stand a chance against Montreal OR Toronto. Agree with your post but technically only gave away one point.
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