will Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 a lot of nhl caliber tenders would have a gaa close to 3 playing with ahl defenses in front of them. there's more to it than that.
Derrico Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 I'd still move Miller. Enroth, I believe, has a brighter future but we might never see it in Buffalo. Miller could fetch us some quality. Am I missing something? Goaltending is all we have. You're proposing we trade that away?
deluca67 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Am I missing something? Goaltending is all we have. You're proposing we trade that away? Yes. There are those that feel it is time to change the makeup of the team. Make it not so one dimensional. Moving a $6 mil goalie can help in the teams turn around.
Tyrannustyrannus Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 I'd still move Miller. Enroth, I believe, has a brighter future but we might never see it in Buffalo. Miller could fetch us some quality. I guarantee Miller was on Pegula's short list of players they could not trade. There is no way the Sabres would come out on top in a deal that involved moving Miller.
Eleven Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Posted February 13, 2011 Yes. There are those that feel it is time to change the makeup of the team. Make it not so one dimensional. Moving a $6 mil goalie can help in the teams turn around. Like signing Kovy, right?
dumb_dumb88 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Like signing Kovy, right? Thanks be to god our Sabres didn't get remotely near that mess. I will say this though, after looking at Chicago's contract obligations, it is going to be very difficult for them to field a well rounded roster for sometime. The Hossa, Campbell and Keith contracts are ugly with regards to length of time. Especially the Hossa and Keith contracts. If there was a team with an impact player available, I would think Chicago would be one of a few teams to look.
Eleven Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Posted February 13, 2011 Thanks be to god our Sabres didn't get remotely near that mess. I will say this though, after looking at Chicago's contract obligations, it is going to be very difficult for them to field a well rounded roster for sometime. The Hossa, Campbell and Keith contracts are ugly with regards to length of time. Especially the Hossa and Keith contracts. If there was a team with an impact player available, I would think Chicago would be one of a few teams to look. Last summer was the best time to do that, and last summer, Larry Quinn wouldn't let that happen.
deluca67 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Like signing Kovy, right? You mean the guy who just scored back to back game winners for the hottest team in hockey? Fans do realize that he signed a long term deal and isn't getting paid $100 mil for this season alone? People do realize that? They are in the process of changing from a goalie centric team.
deluca67 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Last summer was the best time to do that, and last summer, Larry Quinn wouldn't let that happen. I call bull$hit. Darcey himself stated he was trying to sign two forwards and couldn't get it done. They spent $56 million this year. Larry Quinn or Tom Golisano are not acceptable excuses.
Eleven Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Posted February 13, 2011 You mean the guy who just scored back to back game winners for the hottest team in hockey? Fans do realize that he signed a long term deal and isn't getting paid $100 mil for this season alone? People do realize that? They are in the process of changing from a goalie centric team. And we also realize that he is a bust in NJ, will be a bust in NJ, and would not have been the sinecure for the Sabres that you thought he would have been. I call bull$hit. Darcey himself stated he was trying to sign two forwards and couldn't get it done. They spent $56 million this year. Larry Quinn or Tom Golisano are not acceptable excuses. It's Quinn. If the team fires Regier and hires someone else who is good, fine. I won't complain. I've stated that in other posts. But the problem was Quinn.
deluca67 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 And we also realize that he is a bust in NJ, will be a bust in NJ, and would not have been the sinecure for the Sabres that you thought he would have been. It's Quinn. If the team fires Regier and hires someone else who is good, fine. I won't complain. I've stated that in other posts. But the problem was Quinn. A bust after 55 games? Here are the Sabres making a mad dash to 8th place? You really don't think that adding a 50 goal scorer wouldn't help or have helped last season?
Eleven Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Posted February 13, 2011 A bust after 55 games? Here are the Sabres making a mad dash to 8th place? You really don't think that adding a 50 goal scorer wouldn't help or have helped last season? I do not think that Kovy would have helped last year's division-winning team one bit. I do not think he would help this team this year. I do think that he is the exemplar of wasteful spending that you complain about.
deluca67 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 I do not think that Kovy would have helped last year's division-winning team one bit. I do not think he would help this team this year. I do think that he is the exemplar of wasteful spending that you complain about. A 50 goal scorer couldn't help the Sabers power-play? How many PP goals did they score against the Bruins?
nfreeman Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Like signing Kovy, right? Oh, well played. Very well played. Waited for just the right moment, then -- blam! And we also realize that he is a bust in NJ, will be a bust in NJ, and would not have been the sinecure for the Sabres that you thought he would have been. "panacea," I think. Kovy has a sinecure with the Devils. A bust after 55 games? Here are the Sabres making a mad dash to 8th place? You really don't think that adding a 50 goal scorer wouldn't help or have helped last season? I think you know that this misleading question can't be asked or answered in a vacuum. You have to consider what NJ gave up last year in trade, this year in salary, and both years (and the next 13) in cap space and adjustments to team play to suit Kovy. Kovy has been the best player on Atlanta, which won zero playoff games in 7 years with him, and on NJ, which immediately plummeted into the basement when he joined them. If he had Pommer's contract and the Sabres didn't have to give up much to get him? Now you're talking. But not with that monstrosity of a contract.
deluca67 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Oh, well played. Very well played. Waited for just the right moment, then -- blam! "panacea," I think. Kovy has a sinecure with the Devils. I think you know that this misleading question can't be asked or answered in a vacuum. You have to consider what NJ gave up last year in trade, this year in salary, and both years (and the next 13) in cap space and adjustments to team play to suit Kovy. Kovy has been the best player on Atlanta, which won zero playoff games in 7 years with him, and on NJ, which immediately plummeted into the basement when he joined them. If he had Pommer's contract and the Sabres didn't have to give up much to get him? Now you're talking. But not with that monstrosity of a contract. Two separate conversations. I'm not 100% comfortable with that level of Mega-contract. I just recognize that the contract is for longer than 55 games. Last season is a different story. As it turned out the Sabres couldn't get it done against the Bruins. I think having Kovi at that point makes a difference. A 50 goal scorer added to a Vezina level hot goal-tender? That, IMO, was another missed opportunity by Status Quo.
Eleven Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Posted February 13, 2011 "panacea," I think. Kovy has a sinecure with the Devils. Apparently, I had had enough to drink after all. Wow. If we start a misused words thread, it starts with this one.
UncleWally Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Yes, I watched the Detroit game last night, too :thumbsup: Toss in a Fronzen and a Zetterburg, too! JOHAN
SwampD Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 A 50 goal scorer couldn't help the Sabers power-play? How many PP goals did they score against the Bruins? I still can't believe that people are saying Kovy couldn't help this team. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if the Devils climb all the way back and steal that coveted eighth spot from the Sabres.
Stoner Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 I guarantee Miller was on Pegula's short list of players they could not trade. There is no way the Sabres would come out on top in a deal that involved moving Miller. Why not?
thesportsbuff Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 I guarantee Miller was on Pegula's short list of players they could not trade. There is no way the Sabres would come out on top in a deal that involved moving Miller. I hear where you're coming from and I'm guessing you're right, that Pegula has absolutely no intention of trading Miller, but I think it'd be easy for the Sabres to "win" a deal involving Miller. I think goalies are over rated league-wide and if Buffalo wanted to trade Miller they could get whatever they ask for (within reason).
Lanny Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 I hear where you're coming from and I'm guessing you're right, that Pegula has absolutely no intention of trading Miller, but I think it'd be easy for the Sabres to "win" a deal involving Miller. I think goalies are over rated league-wide and if Buffalo wanted to trade Miller they could get whatever they ask for (within reason). I think right now you'd be looking at a package deal though. You're not likely to get a 1-for-1 where you get an elite talent player back. So sure, you could win a deal involving Miller, but it'd involve the prospects, young players, or picks panning out at elite levels long term and therefore you're taking on quite a bit of risk. What about something like Miller to Columbus for Mason, Brassard, & a 1st?
thesportsbuff Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 I think right now you'd be looking at a package deal though. You're not likely to get a 1-for-1 where you get an elite talent player back. So sure, you could win a deal involving Miller, but it'd involve the prospects, young players, or picks panning out at elite levels long term and therefore you're taking on quite a bit of risk. What about something like Miller to Columbus for Mason, Brassard, & a 1st? Personally I don't think that's enough. Most likely I wouldn't a goalie back in the deal -- I think those can be had via free agency. You're right, I doubt too many teams are gonna deal for Miller straight up "star for a star." And altho Brassard would probably easily be our #1 center, I haven't seen him play enough (never really see CBJ highlights) to say whether or not he'd be worth it. A first rounder would probably have to be involved no matter who we deal with. Here's some unlikely scenarios: Miller to San Jose for Patrick Marleau & Logan Couture Miller to Philadelphia for Briere, JVR, and a first Miller to Tampa Bay for MA Bergeron, 2011 first round, 2012 first round
SwampD Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Why not? Because Miller is a pretty good goalie, he's not that expensive, and he's a superstar (IMO there are only three in the league and we have one of them). One way to make sure that you never get another star player to come to Buffalo ever again is by trading away every star player you have ever had. Haven't we don't that enough?
deluca67 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 Personally I don't think that's enough. Most likely I wouldn't a goalie back in the deal -- I think those can be had via free agency. You're right, I doubt too many teams are gonna deal for Miller straight up "star for a star." And altho Brassard would probably easily be our #1 center, I haven't seen him play enough (never really see CBJ highlights) to say whether or not he'd be worth it. A first rounder would probably have to be involved no matter who we deal with. Here's some unlikely scenarios: Miller to San Jose for Patrick Marleau & Logan Couture Miller to Philadelphia for Briere, JVR, and a first Miller to Tampa Bay for MA Bergeron, 2011 first round, 2012 first round That move right there would make Tampa the favorite to come out the East passing Philly.
Hawerchuk Posted February 13, 2011 Report Posted February 13, 2011 I think he is still injured but I'd love the Sabres to try and get Praise off the Devils. Longshot I know.
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