SouthernSabre Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 So instead of trading Connolly for picks/or players, we keep him and get nothing in return when he leaves or we resign him?
Assquatch Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 A question for all you doom and gloomers that are mad about today: What kind of moves were you expecting today? Were you expecting about half the roster to be overhauled and an instant competitor to be born? I'll add one more ? to those same people: Of the 29 other teams, which one(s) bought players in a manner that would have made you happy?
Patty16 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Not instant competitor, but at least picks/prospects that could be used in the offseason to obtain more of the pieces for the Cup run in the near future. I dont think Pegula was going to let them mortgage this season to get some picks in hopes of flipping them this summer.
thesportsbuff Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Boyes is a nice addition but I would have liked to see Connolly and Gerbe moved, along with our first round pick and a defensive prospect for either Penner or Hemsky. Our first round pick probably has as much value as 90% of the players that were moved today but we're keeping it to waste on what? Another 5'6" forward in the weakest draft class since the lockout? There's not much to look forward to in UFA. Brad Richards is about it, and it's going to be a bidding war that we can't win (if he doesn't just re-up with Dallas).
X. Benedict Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 I'll add one more ? to those same people: Of the 29 other teams, which one(s) bought players in a manner that would have made you happy? Penner is probably the big move today.
Lanny Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Boyes is a nice addition but I would have liked to see Connolly and Gerbe moved, along with our first round pick and a defensive prospect for either Penner or Hemsky. Our first round pick probably has as much value as 90% of the players that were moved today but we're keeping it to waste on what? Another 5'6" forward in the weakest draft class since the lockout? There's not much to look forward to in UFA. Brad Richards is about it, and it's going to be a bidding war that we can't win (if he doesn't just re-up with Dallas). That doesn't really add up to what Edmonton got for Penner from LA. Try Kassian, a 1st and 3rd. If you're willing to do that then so be it, but I woudln't be.
LabattBlue Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Looks like ANOTHER deadline where Miller and his BFF Liles will not be reunited. :lol:
shrader Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 I would have taken the Arnott trade. Steckel has 11 points in 60ish games. I'm sure we could have threw TC at them. I'm uncertain of his contract status so you can hang me on that if you need to. That seems to be roughly the equivalent of us moving Gaustad for Arnott, lower tier centers who are faceoff specialists. Who knows if they are in fact equal, but I'm not sure what part of our team would have been an equivalent deal. Anyway, Arnott had a no trade clause, so who knows if Buffalo would have ever been an option. This team is in better position for this year and next year than they were before today. There was nothing out there that was going to make or break their chances moving forward. The real business starts once the Finals end this year.
SDS Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Check the trade tracker....other teams had no problems putting transactions together. A bunch of crap exchanged hands today, save for Dustin Penner and Jason Arnott. BFD.
X. Benedict Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 A bunch of crap exchanged hands today, save for Dustin Penner and Jason Arnott. BFD. Quiet day for sure. Richards, Liles, etc never moved.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 A question for all you doom and gloomers that are mad about today: What kind of moves were you expecting today? Were you expecting about half the roster to be overhauled and an instant competitor to be born? This team WILL NOT make the playoffs. I am confident making that statement after today. We just added another average sized, non-physical, overpaid forward. Where does that scream culture change? My plan was to move anything and everything that is to be a free agent, stock up on draft picks, kill dead cap space, then make a move on a captain type like Iginla who can lead a team and still has something in the tank, then use those picks to restock with a new GM at the helm, or use as trade bait for a guy like Parise. This team needs a true change of culture, and it is pretty much status quo + Brad Boyes. By giving the illusion of "going for it" and not selling off dead weight and positioning yourself for an awesome next 2 offseasons, and by keeping the current hockey department.....we have confirmed a 3 year plan is going to be at least a 5 year plan. Connolly, Montador, Stafford....would have netted you 2 2nd and 2 3rd picks. Leopold, Hecht, Pominville....probably could have gotten you another couple in that range. Waive Grier and Niedermayer if you can't move them....get the kids some seasoning. You could take those 4 2nd round and 3rd round picks in your cupboard, and make a run at an Iginla/Regher package....or a Hemskey, and still have plenty left over to fool around with. Meanwhile you would have cleared a net $30 million in cap space with no incoming players, or $18 with a true captain and shutdown defenseman on the team to work with Tyler57. That would be my plan.
dumb_dumb88 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 "Oh my God, Connolly is still here. What is Darcy thinking?" C'mon people, with Roy out and the Sabres in the hunt, they can't trade their "Number One" center. Who would they play in his spot? I'm sure they'll part ways during free agency and Regier will do some shopping in July with TP's dough. I disagree with your assesment. The writing is on the wall, literally here. There isn't any significant FA centers available this deadline, certainly none that are considered Connolly replacement worthy (according to Regier's thinking in any event). And before you point to Brad Richards, no one can seriously believe he is coming here. He'll most likely re-sign in Dallas. If Dallas wanted anything back for him now was the time to move him for them. They won't get as much for negotiating rights from draft day up to July 1st. So, how did Darcy do today? He didn't sell the farm, he brought in a player that has potential and will be here longer than the end of the season that gives them minimal help for a playoff push. Not a huge upgrade, but then again, I didn't expect one at wing, at center, that is a different story altogether given the Free Agent market they are coming up on. I will say that the price in a trade for a center will be cheaper as opposed to this time of year, so yes, I agree with what he did by not selling the farm for one now. But, with that said, he should have recouped the 2nd rounder and I'm sure if he had shopped Connolly that was atleast a feasible return. To me, in any event, Byron or Adam are the same as Connolly. I can't see Connolly turning it around this late in the season, the writings on the wall for him, bringing in his old Junior Hockey flame to try and reconnect isn't going to change that in my opinion. But, only time will tell.
thesportsbuff Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 That doesn't really add up to what Edmonton got for Penner from LA. Try Kassian, a 1st and 3rd. If you're willing to do that then so be it, but I woudln't be. It's about equal actually. Teubert isn't exactly a blue chip prospect. We wouldn't have to trade Kassian. I would do Gerbe a first and a third. Or Gerbe a first and gragnani/schiestel. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/colten_teubert
Assquatch Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Penner is probably the big move today. (Not saying you are one of the people my post was directed toward, but) would you have wanted the Sabres to pay the equivalent of what LA paid for him? Even if so, that's 1 out of 30 teams that would have made that type of fan happy. I'm no DR fan, but people have unrealistic expectations of today.
Derrico Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 That seems to be roughly the equivalent of us moving Gaustad for Arnott, lower tier centers who are faceoff specialists. Who knows if they are in fact equal, but I'm not sure what part of our team would have been an equivalent deal. Anyway, Arnott had a no trade clause, so who knows if Buffalo would have ever been an option. This team is in better position for this year and next year than they were before today. There was nothing out there that was going to make or break their chances moving forward. The real business starts once the Finals end this year. That is true enough. Just tired of us not being relevant....
Lanny Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 It's about equal actually. Teubert isn't exactly a blue chip prospect. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/colten_teubert Tuebert was the 13th overall pick in 2008 and what would Edmonton, a team selling off assets, do with Connolly? We wouldn't have to trade Kassian. I would do Gerbe a first and a third. Or Gerbe a first and gragnani/schiestel. ...and they'd take the LA offer.
X. Benedict Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 (Not saying you are one of the people my post was directed toward, but) would you have wanted the Sabres to pay Myers, a first and a 3rd for him? Even if so, that's 1 out of 30 teams that would have made that type of fan happy. I'm no DR fan, but people have unrealistic expectations of today. I'm not sure....I thought there would be more movement. Not sure what the Myers thing is..or what you mean (?). As a way of agreeing, only Penner was a big move.
thesportsbuff Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 He was the 13th overall pick in 2008 and what would Edmonton, a team selling off assets, do with Connolly? They take his salary dump as part of the deal, try him out for a month and a half and then part ways or re-sign him for ~$2 mil. It's not like they're competing for playoffs.
Assquatch Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 I'm not sure....I thought there would be more movement. Not sure what the Myers thing is..or what you mean (?). As a way of agreeing, only Penner was a big move. Yeah sorry I was unclear. I edited it to (hopefully) make more sense.
shrader Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Connolly, Montador, Stafford....would have netted you 2 2nd and 2 3rd picks. Leopold, Hecht, Pominville....probably could have gotten you another couple in that range. Waive Grier and Niedermayer if you can't move them....get the kids some seasoning. With the exception of Connolly and Montador, the rest of what you suggested can still happen in the offseason. Why did it have to happen today?
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 what a real boring day for NHL trade deadline very little action.
X. Benedict Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 This team WILL NOT make the playoffs. I am confident making that statement after today. We just added another average sized, non-physical, overpaid forward. Where does that scream culture change? I would compare him to JP Dumont. Perhaps Boyes is a little better in terms of backchecking, but similar in terms of hands. I like the addition. We'll see what the change of scenery does. I think he fits.
carpandean Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Unfortunately, we won't know if there has really been a change (in culture, in Darcy, etc.) until the end of the Summer. Today was just OK, but is typical for teams that are right on the bubble. Sens and Florida were big time sellers (not just today), while top teams shored up weaknesses. The Sabres were in their usual spot this time of year (three of four seasons), which is a frustrating spot to be in. Come late July, I will either be eating crow about Darcy or f**king pissed. For now, I'm just meh.
shrader Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 Unfortunately, we won't know if there has really been a change (in culture, in Darcy, etc.) until the end of the Summer. Today was just OK, but is typical for teams that are right on the bubble. Sens and Florida were big time sellers (not just today), while top teams shored up weaknesses. The Sabres were in their usual spot this time of year (three of four seasons), which is a frustrating spot to be in. Come late July, I will either be eating crow about Darcy or f**king pissed. For now, I'm just meh. To me, it was pretty much what I expected. I would have predicted 1-2 moves with the future in mind. One to bring in that Boyes type with a contract beyond this year and then also a Connolly move. I completely understand why they didn't move on the latter. Like you said, the summer is where we really find out whether or not things have changed.
Derrico Posted February 28, 2011 Report Posted February 28, 2011 I would compare him to JP Dumont. Perhaps Boyes is a little better in terms of backchecking, but similar in terms of hands. I like the addition. We'll see what the change of scenery does. I think he fits. I really hope you're right. I was pissed when we lost him. Dumont is a very good hockey player in my eyes.
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