Stormin Norman Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 I had an interesting thought. When the Sabres finally dump Darcy, who should the new GM be? How about this blast from the past: Scotty Bowman! I know we're the only team on the face of the earth Bowman hasn't brought a championship to. But the guy still lives in Buffalo, I believe, and has recently "consulted" teams who have won Cups. Maybe a second go with this organization will finally bring us the big silver mug. Lindy remains the coach. Scotty as the GM brings in new talent. What do you think?
nobody Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 Scotty is quite happy working for his son in Chicago.
deluca67 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 It's not easy to say. The first place I would look would be in Detroit. I would ask the Wings permission to talk to Jim Nill. If you want to win a Stanley Cup look to the guys who have been part of Stanley Cup winning teams.
bunomatic Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 I had an interesting thought. When the Sabres finally dump Darcy, who should the new GM be? How about this blast from the past: Scotty Bowman! I know we're the only team on the face of the earth Bowman hasn't brought a championship to. But the guy still lives in Buffalo, I believe, and has recently "consulted" teams who have won Cups. Maybe a second go with this organization will finally bring us the big silver mug. Lindy remains the coach. Scotty as the GM brings in new talent. What do you think? My own personal opinion on Scotty is he's too old school. Granted the man is so knowledgable about hockey but we need new forward thinking vigorous energetic and aggressive. We don't need geriatric, viagra poppin, gramper wearin, and nap times.
dumb_dumb88 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 Scotty Bowman is not "To Old School". He wrote the book on the modern NHL. But, he won't come back. I would look to Rick Dudley first and foremost, then to Don Luce second. If those 2 aren't willing to sign, I would promote Lindy Ruff to the GM position. He juggles lines quite a bit, is a risk taker and has years of experience working with management. There really isn't alot of choices that show promise, but on an outside shot, I would give Gretzky the keys to the GM office if he would be interested as well.
bunomatic Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 Scotty Bowman is not "To Old School". He wrote the book on the modern NHL. But, he won't come back. I would look to Rick Dudley first and foremost, then to Don Luce second. If those 2 aren't willing to sign, I would promote Lindy Ruff to the GM position. He juggles lines quite a bit, is a risk taker and has years of experience working with management. There really isn't alot of choices that show promise, but on an outside shot, I would give Gretzky the keys to the GM office if he would be interested as well. Scotty may not be 'to old school' but he is 'too old school' , at least in my eyes.
dumb_dumb88 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 Scotty may not be 'to old school' but he is 'too old school' , at least in my eyes which may be a different opinion than yours but we are allowed different opinions on these forums. I understand, I was merely stating that his train of thought is what you see in hockey games these days. The way the game is played, he helped create that environment. If you aren't old enough to remember, I can tell you the clutch and grab style you see now is minimal compared to the way it was back in the 70's up to the late 80's. Think of names like Guy Lafleur, Steve Shutt, Larry Robinson and Ken Dryden. That's Scotty Bowman coaching there.
bunomatic Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 I understand, I was merely stating that his train of thought is what you see in hockey games these days. The way the game is played, he helped create that environment. If you aren't old enough to remember, I can tell you the clutch and grab style you see now is minimal compared to the way it was back in the 70's up to the late 80's. Think of names like Guy Lafleur, Steve Shutt, Larry Robinson and Ken Dryden. That's Scotty Bowman coaching there. Ya I've been around long enough to have watch all of those guys but I just don't think scottys the man and I agree with you that he probably won't come back here anyways. I personally hope if Regier goes ( oh please god ) that they'll go with a newer shinier version of Scotty Bowman. I just think guys like Muckler , Bowman or Quinn(Pat) have had their time and times perhaps catchin up with them. There are young guys in this league in assistant capacities that given the chance could work.
Stormin Norman Posted February 5, 2011 Author Report Posted February 5, 2011 When I made the post and suggested Scotty Bowman, I anticipated most would respond that he is "old school." With all due respect, that's BS because I'm talking about the General Manager position, not coach. I mean, here's a guy who wins 9 cups as a coach plus THREE MORE in an advisory/consultant capacity -- the last two with Detroit (2008) and Chicago (2010). In two short years with the Blackhawks (helping his son), they win the Cup for the first time in umpteenth years. And before that they were terrible. How old school can he be?
SwampD Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 When I made the post and suggested Scotty Bowman, I anticipated most would respond that he is "old school." With all due respect, that's BS because I'm talking about the General Manager position, not coach. I mean, here's a guy who wins 9 cups as a coach plus THREE MORE in an advisory/consultant capacity -- the last two with Detroit (2008) and Chicago (2010). In two short years with the Blackhawks (helping his son), they win the Cup for the first time in umpteenth years. And before that they were terrible. How old school can he be? While I agree with this post, I still don't want Scotty back. For me, Pegula taking over the team is about change, something new. We've been strapped with the same regime for 13 years and are at the point where change, just for the sake of change, is not a bad thing. Bringing Scotty back would be just bringing something back that we've already known. I want something different.
bunomatic Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 When I made the post and suggested Scotty Bowman, I anticipated most would respond that he is "old school." With all due respect, that's BS because I'm talking about the General Manager position, not coach. I mean, here's a guy who wins 9 cups as a coach plus THREE MORE in an advisory/consultant capacity -- the last two with Detroit (2008) and Chicago (2010). In two short years with the Blackhawks (helping his son), they win the Cup for the first time in umpteenth years. And before that they were terrible. How old school can he be? He clearly came in when Chicago had most of if not all of the pieces in place. Fortunate for him in that circumstance. He didn't build that team.
Stoner Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 He clearly came in when Chicago had most of if not all of the pieces in place. Fortunate for him in that circumstance. He didn't build that team. Since St. Louis, Scotty has tended to go where success is likely (not that he doesn't contribute to that eventual success). Montreal, Buffalo (wasn't stepping into a bad spot at all), Pittsburgh, Detroit, Chicago. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him land in Tampa or Philly next. :)
R_Dudley Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 If the up and comer is what you want then what x mentioned in another thread with the likes of a Jason Botteril would work and I would also add Doug Risenbrough or Mark Messier. If I wanted to bring a real attitude to my team I would consider someone like Patrick Roy currently a co-owner and general manager of Quebec Jr team. You can also consider Lindy a candidate for a bump up expecially if you add someone like a Craig Patrick or Scotty Bowman as a consultant for the first few years. If it's mine to do I would consider Lindy for the change of role as well as Mark Messier and Patrick Roy. I would still include a seasoned consultant(aka Patrick,Bowman) as my personal assistant for a couple of years and make each candidate lay out the plan they would use for my team. I would choose the one from those three that did the best job of laying out a plan and telling me how they were going to get my team to win a SC.
will Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 He didn't build that team. interesting that you mention that. when the hawks fired tallon, i was hoping against hope that he might soon replace darcy (it only made all the sense in the world). unfortunately, when the thrashers picked him up, i knew it was never gonna happen (not that it would have...since darcy is grafted to management's ass at this point).
nfreeman Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 If the Sabres get into the playoffs, I think the most likely scenario is that DR stays as GM through next season, but TP brings in a Craig Patrick or someone similar to act as team president -- so that there is a true hockey man overseeing DR and setting the organizational priorities. If the Sabres miss the playoffs, I'd say it's 67% likely that DR is gone and replaced by the assistant GM from somewhere like Detroit or Philly, again with someone like Craig Patrick as team president.
kwalk Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 I'm available. How tough could it be? Seriously...
deluca67 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 If the Sabres get into the playoffs, I think the most likely scenario is that DR stays as GM through next season, but TP brings in a Craig Patrick or someone similar to act as team president -- so that there is a true hockey man overseeing DR and setting the organizational priorities. If the Sabres miss the playoffs, I'd say it's 67% likely that DR is gone and replaced by the assistant GM from somewhere like Detroit or Philly, again with someone like Craig Patrick as team president. Would it be fair to say that this is the most import trade deadline of Darcy's career?
bunomatic Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 Would it be fair to say that this is the most import trade deadline of Darcy's career? I think its more than fair to say that but I still don't understand why they would give him another shot.
deluca67 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 I think its more than fair to say that but I still don't understand why they would give him another shot. Simple, they have to pay him either way. Also, if Pegula does have a hockey guru like a Craig Patrick there may be no need to make that change right away. Patrick can make all the moves through Regier. When Patrick feels he has the team in the right direction he can fire Regier and put his own man in place.
inkman Posted February 6, 2011 Report Posted February 6, 2011 Scotty may not be 'to old school' but he is 'too old school' , at least in my eyes. How about we just settle on "too old"? Dude will be 80 in a minute. The last thing Buffalo needs is another 80 year old GM.
bunomatic Posted February 6, 2011 Report Posted February 6, 2011 How about we just settle on "too old"? Dude will be 80 in a minute. The last thing Buffalo needs is another 80 year old GM. I agree.
Calvin Posted February 6, 2011 Report Posted February 6, 2011 is there any official confirmation that Craig Patrick will be joining TP in the Sabres organization, in any post? or are we just assuming that Patrick will come with him?
inkman Posted February 6, 2011 Report Posted February 6, 2011 Everyone has been making lots of assumptions since Pegula's intentions were made public.
deluca67 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Posted February 6, 2011 Everyone has been making lots of assumptions since Pegula's intentions were made public. Isn't that what makes this fun?
tom webster Posted February 6, 2011 Report Posted February 6, 2011 I'm guessing Neil Smith or Craig Patrick president, Ruff GM and Dineen Coach.
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