theesir Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I for one an happy that someone who has at least been making an attempt to improve the waterfront and make downtown into something we can all be proud of is finally GETTING OUT OF HERE! Larry can take all the money he made, his motivation, dedication to the waterfront and commitment to bringing about change for the city of Buffalo and take it somewhere else. Status Quo! Leave everything the way it is, and if you feel otherwise, be torn down (like the dilapidated buildings never are) for trying. Proud to be a Buffalonian! Oh Yeah! TG, screw you for saving our hockey team. :death: :wallbash: :wallbash: No wonder this city is dying a not so slow death. Why the hell would anyone try to step up and promote change when they'll only be vilified for the effort.
carpandean Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 but the fact is he DID take public money in the form of a debt writedown. Technically, that's not taking public money; that's not paying back public money that someone else took. :thumbsup:
PromoTheRobot Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 You will get extreme patience from me on Pegula assuming that Darcy is on a jet by July. Really? From the sky high expectations I'm reading Pegula has until one season of good will before people (here mainly) start looking for their torches and pitchforks. PTR
wjag Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Really? From the sky high expectations I'm reading Pegula has until one season of good will before people (here mainly) start looking for their torches and pitchforks. PTR One season? Hardly.. He has until the trade deadline.. It will take less than two months for the pitchforks to come out...
Stoner Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 One season? Hardly.. He has until the trade deadline.. It will take less than two months for the pitchforks to come out... I'm tuning mine up after Darcy said today he expects to be back. Pretty ballsy statement from someone like Darcy, unless he's already had the conversation with Terry. Honest to God, Darcy returning would be the biggest crisis in my 35 years as a Sabre fan.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Really? From the sky high expectations I'm reading Pegula has until one season of good will before people (here mainly) start looking for their torches and pitchforks. PTR He's coming into a situation where much or the roster is dead weight. He needs next year just to clean house and start making a transition. I don't need him spending to the cap next year if the horses aren't there. If he wants to buy out Hecht or Pominville, that is fine....but after next season the rest of the dead weight is gone as well. What he can do right off is give the transition team time to evaluate until the offseason, work on plans to booster the scouting, facilities, etc......and most of all, be transparent with his plans. Tell the fans what we want to hear and what I fully expect he is willing to do without pressure. Use every resource possible to win a championship, year in and year out. This is a 3 year plan. The Sabres have been in a rut of internal culture for too long to wave a magic wand. You need new people or a new mentality. It's easier to build a new mentality with people that aren't lifelong Sabres. At worst I see Pegula as being the type of guy who if things don't work out they way he hopes, he will hand the ball off and cut his losses. Hopefully he has the right people in here and we are hoisting a Cup soon, or if not, he is tough enough to regroup and keep pluging. But again, this is REAL money we are talking about. He has no reason to pennypinch. Godspeed
SDS Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I'm tuning mine up after Darcy said today he expects to be back. Pretty ballsy statement from someone like Darcy, unless he's already had the conversation with Terry. Honest to God, Darcy returning would be the biggest crisis in my 35 years as a Sabre fan. 1. When did he say this? 2. Being back doesn't necessarily mean as GM does it?
carpandean Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I'm tuning mine up after Darcy said today he expects to be back. Pretty ballsy statement from someone like Darcy, unless he's already had the conversation with Terry. He's under contract, so he expects (until told otherwise) that he'll still be here. What would you expect him to say, "nah, I suck and I expect Terry will be smart enough to see that"? My only conclusion is that TP probably didn't tell him that he's gone day 1, which doesn't mean he won't be.
Stoner Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 1. When did he say this? 2. Being back doesn't necessarily mean as GM does it? "In other news, General Manager Darcy Regier briefly met with reporters after the main news conference ended and said he expects to be the general manager of the team next year." http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/article331944.ece
Eleven Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 He's coming into a situation where much or the roster is dead weight. He needs next year just to clean house and start making a transition. I don't need him spending to the cap next year if the horses aren't there. If he wants to buy out Hecht or Pominville, that is fine....but after next season the rest of the dead weight is gone as well. What he can do right off is give the transition team time to evaluate until the offseason, work on plans to booster the scouting, facilities, etc......and most of all, be transparent with his plans. Tell the fans what we want to hear and what I fully expect he is willing to do without pressure. Use every resource possible to win a championship, year in and year out. This is a 3 year plan. The Sabres have been in a rut of internal culture for too long to wave a magic wand. You need new people or a new mentality. It's easier to build a new mentality with people that aren't lifelong Sabres. At worst I see Pegula as being the type of guy who if things don't work out they way he hopes, he will hand the ball off and cut his losses. Hopefully he has the right people in here and we are hoisting a Cup soon, or if not, he is tough enough to regroup and keep pluging. But again, this is REAL money we are talking about. He has no reason to pennypinch. Godspeed How is it a three year plan already? Go back into the archives just ten months and read what everyone was saying. This shouldn't take three years.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 How is it a three year plan already? Go back into the archives just ten months and read what everyone was saying. This shouldn't take three years. To win a Cup? Half the roster will probably be purged. I'm all for spending to the cap, but no need chasing down 5 guys in free agency this year if only 2 or 3 are worth it. Find the other 2 or 3 next offseason. I also feel Ruff needs to go, or almost the entire roster needs to turnover. I'm 90% confident Regier is gone. A new culture needs to be built from top to bottom. It doesn't happen overnight. But the message can be sent in quick order that there is a new sherrif in town.
darksabre Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I for one an happy that someone who has at least been making an attempt to improve the waterfront and make downtown into something we can all be proud of is finally GETTING OUT OF HERE! Larry can take all the money he made, his motivation, dedication to the waterfront and commitment to bringing about change for the city of Buffalo and take it somewhere else. Status Quo! Leave everything the way it is, and if you feel otherwise, be torn down (like the dilapidated buildings never are) for trying. Proud to be a Buffalonian! Oh Yeah! TG, screw you for saving our hockey team. :death: :wallbash: :wallbash: No wonder this city is dying a not so slow death. Why the hell would anyone try to step up and promote change when they'll only be vilified for the effort. Hi Larry.
Eleven Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 To win a Cup? Half the roster will probably be purged. I'm all for spending to the cap, but no need chasing down 5 guys in free agency this year if only 2 or 3 are worth it. Find the other 2 or 3 next offseason. I also feel Ruff needs to go, or almost the entire roster needs to turnover. I'm 90% confident Regier is gone. A new culture needs to be built from top to bottom. It doesn't happen overnight. But the message can be sent in quick order that there is a new sherrif in town. It should not take three years to become a contender again. To win a Cup? Could be forever; could be as soon as they are contenders again. A team needs (1) to be a contender, (2) a ton of effort, (3) good matchups in the early rounds and (4) some luck. In 2006, the team had the first three, but the luck definitely wasn't with them. In 2007, the team had the first two, but got by the Rangers anyway, and then lost the effort. In 2010, the team had only the first one (some players put in a ton of effort but just couldn't get results; others disappeared, we all know who is whom). Bitch about last year all you want; a division winner is a contender. Washington and New Jersey were contenders, too. And if New Jersey and Buffalo had swapped opponents, I think each would have advanced. And yes, I said that last year. This team could change five players, outright release a couple more (a certain eighth defenseman comes to mind), and be a contender again.
dumb_dumb88 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I for one an happy that someone who has at least been making an attempt to improve the waterfront and make downtown into something we can all be proud of is finally GETTING OUT OF HERE! Larry can take all the money he made, his motivation, dedication to the waterfront and commitment to bringing about change for the city of Buffalo and take it somewhere else.Status Quo! Leave everything the way it is, and if you feel otherwise, be torn down (like the dilapidated buildings never are) for trying. Proud to be a Buffalonian!Oh Yeah! TG, screw you for saving our hockey team. :death: :wallbash: :wallbash: No wonder this city is dying a not so slow death. Why the hell would anyone try to step up and promote change when they'll only be vilified for the effort. The attempts to improve this area that you speak of were the wrong choices to make. And in New York State those type of mistakes cannot afford to be made given the constant fight for funding from the state level that took place prior to the financial collapse. You can respect Larry Quinn for the attempt, but even in th press conference today, it was openly admitted that he is not so good at execution. That being the case I would say Larry Quinn, in all his failings, isn't a bad guy, he's incompetent. There really is no other explanation for all of the failures region wide surrounding him. As for your thoughts on a slow death for the region, I do not disagree with you that the area is dying, but I'm well into my 40's and I can tell you the area has been contracting since around the time I was born. It has nothing to do with Quinn, there were others who attempted to stave off the exodus in manufacturing jobs that was happening here. You can thank the State of New York for that, with it's insistant mandates and regulations along with an unbelievable level of bloating at the State level of Government size. There never was a lack of vision for the region, it has always been a lack of credible, competent, leadership, both regionally and state wide. I'm tuning mine up after Darcy said today he expects to be back. Pretty ballsy statement from someone like Darcy, unless he's already had the conversation with Terry.Honest to God, Darcy returning would be the biggest crisis in my 35 years as a Sabre fan. As a 32 year season ticket holder, I agree with this sentiment, but it is not the end of the world. Darcy Regier should have been fired years ago, after the botched situation with Chris Drury and Daniel Briere. He's under contract, so he expects (until told otherwise) that he'll still be here. What would you expect him to say, "nah, I suck and I expect Terry will be smart enough to see that"? My only conclusion is that TP probably didn't tell him that he's gone day 1, which doesn't mean he won't be. Unfortunately, this club is most likely going to retain Regier through the existing extension contract he received. Mr. Pegula is an articulate, bright, businessman who is not about to pay for services he won't receive. He took risks in his former business because that's how the money was made. In this case, there is no need to, the money will flow in any event. I too, would like to see Regier gone, but I don't see it happening until his contract is up. Which brings me to the point of adding a response to your entry (thank you to my nephew for showing me how to quote more than one person). As a season ticket holder, upon hearing the news that Regier may be the GM for an additional season or 2, I contemplated not re-upping my season tickets for the first time in that 32 year period. It's not about "punishing" Mr. Pegula for a poor choice as a fan, it is about what bang I am getting for my hard earned money that I can choose to spend elsewhere, on something that I feel may be of more entertainment than another season with a subpar team that has no indication Regier will all of sudden change and become more aggresive and less conservative. And not just myself, but more than several of my colleagues and friends were discussing this today after the Regier comments. They all, to a Tee, felt the same way, and they too, are all season ticket holders. In the end, as a consumer, entertainment is no different than any other product sold, you buy it for a reason or set of reasons. This one doesn't look promising as a customer given the past performance of the product developer, in the case of an NHL franchise, it's the GM. The decisions a General Manager makes is seen with the on ice product. In any event, I thought I'd throw this out there. I hope as a new individual attempting to put a little input on this neat thing you have ongoing here would be appreciated. And thank you for the welcoming comments after I joined and first made a comment. Small things such as that are not small, and they do not go unnoticed.
Two or less Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I'm tuning mine up after Darcy said today he expects to be back. Pretty ballsy statement from someone like Darcy, unless he's already had the conversation with Terry. Honest to God, Darcy returning would be the biggest crisis in my 35 years as a Sabre fan. From Kuklas Korner - Hockey Night In Canada’s Elliott Friedman reported on Tuesday that he was recently told that incoming Sabres owner Terry Pegula would like to keep both Darcy Regier and Lindy Ruff “going forward”. He mentioned it again in today’s piece about the Sabres scouting department. I asked Paul Kukla if he could find out from the respected CBC commentator how he knew about this. Friedman’s response to Paul was that he heard of Pegula’s intentions from a “trusted source” at the Board of Governors meeting in Raleigh during the All-Star break. Link- http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/source_pegula_wants_to_keep_regier_ruff/
LabattBlue Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I for one an happy that someone who has at least been making an attempt to improve the waterfront and make downtown into something we can all be proud of is finally GETTING OUT OF HERE! Larry can take all the money he made, his motivation, dedication to the waterfront and commitment to bringing about change for the city of Buffalo and take it somewhere else. Status Quo! Leave everything the way it is, and if you feel otherwise, be torn down (like the dilapidated buildings never are) for trying. Proud to be a Buffalonian! Oh Yeah! TG, screw you for saving our hockey team. :death: :wallbash: :wallbash: No wonder this city is dying a not so slow death. Why the hell would anyone try to step up and promote change when they'll only be vilified for the effort. If wanting Bass Pro to come here even after they turned their backs on Buffalo is something to be proud of, Quinn no longer being part of the ECHDC is not going to hurt future development....believe me!
Marvelo Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Larry Quinn, one of two minority owners, said he would step down as managing partner after the sale. The other, Daniel DiPofi, is expected to stay on through the transition. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=352278
sabres1970 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Didn't like how he kept mentioning Buffalo is a small market. Yeah, we get it. But you're telling me the Sabres don't make more money than Atlanta, Tampa, Florida etc.?
Stoner Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I really hope Pegula listens to this press conference, and listens carefully. Yeah, he said the required gracious things in his statement. But you can't like the posture of the status quo if you're at all interested in winning a Cup. Then I hope he listens to Darcy parrot the company line: "I doubt at this point that this organization has probably ever been healthier."
inkman Posted February 4, 2011 Report Posted February 4, 2011 Listening to this over and over, WGR is replaying, LQ really blew a lot of his own sunshine right up TG's ads. All the spin with Losing DB & CD, all the "innovations" LQ took credit for, I wonder how in touch OSP ever was.
notwoz Posted February 4, 2011 Report Posted February 4, 2011 I really hope Pegula listens to this press conference, and listens carefully. Yeah, he said the required gracious things in his statement. But you can't like the posture of the status quo if you're at all interested in winning a Cup. Then I hope he listens to Darcy parrot the company line: "I doubt at this point that this organization has probably ever been healthier." If Darcy was talking about the team's finances, he is probably correct. If he's talking about the team's competitive position, re: making a serious run at the Stanley Cup, he's totally off base.
deluca67 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Posted February 4, 2011 It should not take three years to become a contender again. To win a Cup? Could be forever; could be as soon as they are contenders again. A team needs (1) to be a contender, (2) a ton of effort, (3) good matchups in the early rounds and (4) some luck. In 2006, the team had the first three, but the luck definitely wasn't with them. In 2007, the team had the first two, but got by the Rangers anyway, and then lost the effort. In 2010, the team had only the first one (some players put in a ton of effort but just couldn't get results; others disappeared, we all know who is whom). Bitch about last year all you want; a division winner is a contender. Washington and New Jersey were contenders, too. And if New Jersey and Buffalo had swapped opponents, I think each would have advanced. And yes, I said that last year. This team could change five players, outright release a couple more (a certain eighth defenseman comes to mind), and be a contender again. Playoff contender? You would be correct. Stanley Cup contender? Not even close. I don't consider the plan of catching lighting in a bottle as a sign of being a Stanley Cup Contender. There are changes that need to be made organization-wide before they can reach Stanley Cup contender status. The Sabres may have won their Division last year but they were never a legit Stanley Cup contender. There is an apathy throughout the current roster that requires more than a handful of changes and dropping Rivet. There has to be a overall change in the type of players the Sabres draft/acquire. Pegula will be starting with a roster short on talent, even less toughness and zero leadership. You don't change that with just a handful of moves.
X. Benedict Posted February 4, 2011 Report Posted February 4, 2011 Playoff contender? You would be correct. Stanley Cup contender? Not even close. I don't consider the plan of catching lighting in a bottle as a sign of being a Stanley Cup Contender. There are changes that need to be made organization-wide before they can reach Stanley Cup contender status. The Sabres may have won their Division last year but they were never a legit Stanley Cup contender. There is an apathy throughout the current roster that requires more than a handful of changes and dropping Rivet. There has to be a overall change in the type of players the Sabres draft/acquire. Pegula will be starting with a roster short on talent, even less toughness and zero leadership. You don't change that with just a handful of moves. If Sabres beat the Bruins last year they face Philly-Habs-Blackhawks Sabres record against Philly 3-1-0 Sabres record against Montreal 4-0-1 Sabres record against the Blackhawks 1-0 So 8-1-1 is no indication they can contend against teams they had beaten? I think it is a silly contention, but I have to give you this much. You hold to your viewpoint relentlessly.
deluca67 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Posted February 4, 2011 If Sabres beat the Bruins last year they face Philly-Habs-Blackhawks Sabres record against Philly 3-1-0 Sabres record against Montreal 4-0-1 Sabres record against the Blackhawks 1-0 So 8-1-1 is no indication they can contend against teams they had beaten? I think it is a silly contention, but I have to give you this much. You hold to your viewpoint relentlessly. If they were a better team they would have beaten the Bruins. They weren't and didn't. The were exposed as frauds by the Bruins who beat them physically as well as on the scoreboard. That exposure has carried over to this season. They were nothing more than a bad team with a really hot goaltender. This year they don't even have the hot goaltender.
Weave Posted February 4, 2011 Report Posted February 4, 2011 If they were a better team they would have beaten the Bruins. They weren't and didn't. The were exposed as frauds by the Bruins who beat them physically as well as on the scoreboard. That exposure has carried over to this season. They were nothing more than a mediocre team with a really hot goaltender. This year they don't even have the hot goaltender. Fixed. And I agree with the rest. The regualar season in 09-10 was an anomoly that they haven't been able to duplicate.
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