PotentPowerPlay22 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Just because he signed an extension doesnt mean that Mr. Pegulla isnt gonna can him. I doubt that if He wants his own man in there running things a two year extension is going to bother him at all... No big deal. Why is everybody getting so excited? It's not like "you" are on the hook for the money. The new guy is a multi-billionaire. It's the cost of doing business.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Why does this matter to anyone? Because it's just another example of what these guys have been out for the whole time...$$$$$ He was extended in the fall, as the wheels were being kicked by Pegula and Golisano and Quinn knew they were ready to sell. The Sabres were disgusting on the ice and flirting with last place in the league for weeks. Then they go and extend GM for life. That's why it matters. What would happen if Pegula had a change of heart and you didn't find out until July 2nd that Darcy was your GM for 2 more years? That's why it matters. For anyone that has defended these clowns throughout the years to finally admit that Golisano/Quinn/Regier don't give a rat's a$$ about the fans except that they hand over their hard earned money on gimmicks and false hope. That's why it matters.
X. Benedict Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I don't and have never thought Regier was a bad hockey man. We will probably never know how many deals that Regier had worked out in principle that never got approved (Drury is most likely one). I'm open to the idea that new ownership could be very liberating for Darcy.
OverPowerYou Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 In other news: I'm going to take a leaping nose-dive off the nearest bridge.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I'm open to the idea that new ownership could be very liberating for Darcy. And just like the slaves...I want him as far away from the plantation as possible.
Patty16 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Because it's just another example of what these guys have been out for the whole time...$$$$$ He was extended in the fall, as the wheels were being kicked by Pegula and Golisano and Quinn knew they were ready to sell. The Sabres were disgusting on the ice and flirting with last place in the league for weeks. Then they go and extend GM for life. That's why it matters. What would happen if Pegula had a change of heart and you didn't find out until July 2nd that Darcy was your GM for 2 more years? That's why it matters. For anyone that has defended these clowns throughout the years to finally admit that Golisano/Quinn/Regier don't give a rat's a$$ about the fans except that they hand over their hard earned money on gimmicks and false hope. That's why it matters. Well inasmuch as these guys are dedicated to success you can say they care about the fans. This team has been losing $ for years, they haven't been big players on the trade market or during FA. That kindve handcuffs a GM no? Regardless of the sentiment on the board, they are respected around the league and aren't viewed as stupid failures. That being said, Pegula will likely have his way with them. Perhaps he has a pretty good idea of who was in charge of what and really screwed this up.
Eleven Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I don't and have never thought Regier was a bad hockey man. We will probably never know how many deals that Regier had worked out in principle that never got approved (Drury is most likely one). I'm open to the idea that new ownership could be very liberating for Darcy. I'm open to that idea, too (not that this should surprise anyone). What I know is that DR + LQ = bad. What I also know is that at one point, DR - LQ = very good. What none of us know is what DR could do without LQ today. The critical element to eliminate is LQ. If Pegula decides not to see whether Regier can again perform well while unfettered by Quinn, well, I hope the Sabres hire a good GM, is all I can say. But the main thing is that Pegula is going to get Quinn out of the organization. If he throws the baby out with the bathwater, so be it. If he decides to keep Regier, I'd be happy to see what Regier can do.
Weave Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Well inasmuch as these guys are dedicated to success you can say they care about the fans. This team has been losing $ for years, they haven't been big players on the trade market or during FA. That kindve handcuffs a GM no? I'm gonna need a link to see that. Everything I've heard since the lockout was that the team turns a small profit. Regardless of the sentiment on the board, they are respected around the league and aren't viewed as stupid failures. Gonna need a link for this data point too. I know Bucky Gleason and Paul Hamilton seem to feel that other teams around the league don't think much of Darcy's moves and decisions. Those two have alot more insider info than I have and I'm betting the same for your level of "insider-ness".
will Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Bump him to the scouting department for the 2 years and then if that continues to work well, keep him around. even i can find the "play" button on a vcr. where's my money?! personally, i'd have him doing fax machine maintenance for the balance of his extension.
X. Benedict Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Gonna need a link for this data point too. I know Bucky Gleason and Paul Hamilton seem to feel that other teams around the league don't think much of Darcy's moves and decisions. Those two have alot more insider info than I have and I'm betting the same for your level of "insider-ness". I'd be tempted to go with Mike Brophy first on Regier and Ruff: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/01/21/brophy_oilers_nearly_on_the_clock/ "Ruff 'n' ready One of the most interesting potential free agents this summer could be Lindy Ruff. That's right; if the Buffalo Sabres don't sign their longtime coach to an extension, Ruff goes on the market and, depending on what happens with Dallas Stars centre Brad Richards who is likely to re-sign with his club, he could be the most sought-after free agent in the summer of 2011. Ruff, like his GM Darcy Regier, has been forced to operate with one hand tied behind his back working for the cost-conscious Sabres.
spndnchz Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 So, how do we know Lindy wasn't also extended? He turned down a contract extension last fall. He still wants to stay though.
Patty16 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I'm gonna need a link to see that. Everything I've heard since the lockout was that the team turns a small profit. Gonna need a link for this data point too. I know Bucky Gleason and Paul Hamilton seem to feel that other teams around the league don't think much of Darcy's moves and decisions. Those two have alot more insider info than I have and I'm betting the same for your level of "insider-ness". dont know where you get your info but.... http://www.buffalorising.com/2009/11/forbes-sabres-lose-money-8-of-past-9-seasons-now-worth-169m.html as for darcy heres the first google turned up http://bleacherreport.com/articles/510515-nhl-2010-trade-rumor-sabres-gm-darcy-regier-targets-flames-star-jarome-iginla dont like bleacher report .. ok http://sports.nationalpost.com/tag/darcy-regier/ says respected executives like regeir are under fire for poor performing clubs.... I'm not claiming insider info on this issue but i've seen the inner working of franchises. My point is there are many people with more info than you or I who say DR is well respected league wide and he clearly is that.
Weave Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I'd be tempted to go with Mike Brophy first on Regier and Ruff: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/01/21/brophy_oilers_nearly_on_the_clock/ "Ruff 'n' ready One of the most interesting potential free agents this summer could be Lindy Ruff. That's right; if the Buffalo Sabres don't sign their longtime coach to an extension, Ruff goes on the market and, depending on what happens with Dallas Stars centre Brad Richards who is likely to re-sign with his club, he could be the most sought-after free agent in the summer of 2011. Ruff, like his GM Darcy Regier, has been forced to operate with one hand tied behind his back working for the cost-conscious Sabres. I don't doubt that Ruff is respected and would land on his feet. The proof of Darcy's respect level will be forthcoming. We'll see how he fairs in the job market.
Stoner Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 He turned down a contract extension last fall. He still wants to stay though. Where's this coming from? That would have been huge news. Would be today, too.
weehawk Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Here's a list of current GMs. Those marked with a **asterisk are likely out of the playoffs. Those marked with a ***asterisk are on the cusp. Assuming a team that makes the playoffs will not be looking to change GMs, these are your most like "active" GM candidates. I'm not sure who's available that is not currently working. Other Than Dean Lombardi, I think they all suck. Dont be too surprised if Darcy works through his contract. Pure speculation here, but hey, why not? ***Atlanta Thrashers Rick Dudley April 14, 2010 Boston Bruins Peter Chiarelli May 26, 2006 Buffalo Sabres Darcy Regier June 11, 1996 ***Carolina Hurricanes Jim Rutherford 1994 **Florida Panthers Dale Tallon May 17, 2010 Montreal Canadiens Pierre Gauthier February 8, 2010 **New Jersey Devils Lou Lamoriello September 10, 1987 **New York Islanders Garth Snow July 18, 2006 New York Rangers Glen Sather June 1, 2000 **Ottawa Senators Bryan Murray June 18, 2007 Philadelphia Flyers Paul Holmgren October 21, 2006 Pittsburgh Penguins Ray Shero May 25, 2006 Tampa Bay Lightning Steve Yzerman May 25, 2010 **Toronto Maple Leafs Brian Burke November 27, 2008 Washington Capitals George McPhee June 9, 1997 [edit] Western Conference Team General manager Since Anaheim Ducks Bob Murray November 12, 2008 ***Calgary Flames Jay Feaster December 28, 2010 Chicago Blackhawks Stan Bowman July 14, 2009 ***Colorado Avalanche Greg Sherman June 3, 2009 **Columbus Blue Jackets Scott Howson June 15, 2007 Dallas Stars Joe Nieuwendyk May 31, 2009 Detroit Red Wings Ken Holland July 18, 1997 **Edmonton Oilers Steve Tambellini July 31, 2008 ***Los Angeles Kings Dean Lombardi April 21, 2006 ***Minnesota Wild Chuck Fletcher May 21, 2009 Nashville Predators David Poile December 11, 1997 Phoenix Coyotes Don Maloney May 28, 2007 San Jose Sharks Doug Wilson May 13, 2003 **St. Louis Blues Doug Armstrong July 1, 2010 Vancouver Canucks Mike Gillis April 23, 2008
spndnchz Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Where's this coming from? That would have been huge news. Would be today, too. Ruff said it himself today after practice.
That Aud Smell Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I'm open to the idea that new ownership could be very liberating for Darcy. I'm open to that idea, too (not that this should surprise anyone). it's sentiments like these -- from posters as knowledgeable as you two -- that made me smirk when harrington dropped all those editorial bombs in his "report" today about the extension for regier. darcy has a substantial body of work as a gm. on balance, it's a good (and i would argue very good) record. when we factor in the coefficient of dealing with ownership that had a cost-conscious approach to building a winner, i'm okay with saying he's a had a very-good-to-great run here. and in terms of the times when he failed to pull the trigger or didn't get a FA signed, i'm more than ready to lay that at the outgoing ownership's feet.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 I'd be tempted to go with Mike Brophy first on Regier and Ruff: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/01/21/brophy_oilers_nearly_on_the_clock/ "Ruff 'n' ready One of the most interesting potential free agents this summer could be Lindy Ruff. That's right; if the Buffalo Sabres don't sign their longtime coach to an extension, Ruff goes on the market and, depending on what happens with Dallas Stars centre Brad Richards who is likely to re-sign with his club, he could be the most sought-after free agent in the summer of 2011. Ruff, like his GM Darcy Regier, has been forced to operate with one hand tied behind his back working for the cost-conscious Sabres. If they are that good....then I have NO ......respect for Regier and Ruff for hanging around in that situation. Either: 1) They have no pride and are happy with a paycheck 2) Are too comfortable in their little corner to go out into the big world where they may actually face real pressure from media and fanbase 3) Are in on the ruse 4) Are incompetent patsies 5) Multiple or all of the above I've been in a position where I ran the show until I wanted to do something that actually mattered, then had my hands tied. You put up with it on one occasion, but if you have any self respect and self-confidence, you get the hell out once it becomes a trend. In the short term it is painful on the personal bottom line, but in the long term dignity is worth more, so is open opportunity. I have heard enough about Pegula to think he's going to do the right thing and can Darcy by the offseason. If that was me buying the team and I see the shenanigans they did by extending Darcy in the middle of negotiations with me....I'd keep him as GM, redefine that role as the guy who runs the zamboni, then make the F'r go out in between periods or quit.
Weave Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 dont know where you get your info but.... http://www.buffalorising.com/2009/11/forbes-sabres-lose-money-8-of-past-9-seasons-now-worth-169m.html as for darcy heres the first google turned up http://bleacherreport.com/articles/510515-nhl-2010-trade-rumor-sabres-gm-darcy-regier-targets-flames-star-jarome-iginla dont like bleacher report .. ok http://sports.nationalpost.com/tag/darcy-regier/ Well, I stand corrected. You got me there. Good link. First hard numbers I've seen that suggest the Sabres were money losers. :worthy: says respected executives like regeir are under fire for poor performing clubs.... I'm not claiming insider info on this issue but i've seen the inner working of franchises. My point is there are many people with more info than you or I who say DR is well respected league wide and he clearly is that. Yeah, several differing opinions I guess. Like I said a couple posts ago, we'll see how respected Darcy is when he's on the street looking for employment.
Patty16 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 If they are that good....then I have NO ......respect for Regier and Ruff for hanging around in that situation. Either: 1) They have no pride and are happy with a paycheck 2) Are too comfortable in their little corner to go out into the big world where they may actually face real pressure from media and fanbase 3) Are in on the ruse 4) Are incompetent patsies 5) Multiple or all of the above I've been in a position where I ran the show until I wanted to do something that actually mattered, then had my hands tied. You put up with it on one occasion, but if you have and self respect and self-confidence, you get the hell out once it becomes a trend. In the short term it is painful on the personal bottom line, but in the long term dignity is worth more, so is open opportunity. I have heard enough about Pegula to think he's going to do the right thing and can Darcy by the offseason. If that was me buying the team and I see the shenanigans they did by extending Darcy in the middle of negotiations with me....I'd keep him as GM, redefine that role as the guy who runs the zamboni, then make the F'r go out in between periods or quit. or maybe pegula was on board with DR being extended, and the contract contains a cheap buyout clause should new ownership come in....
Stoner Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Feels good to beat chz to one: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/2011/02/ruff-turned-down-sabres-offer-of-extension.html
Stoner Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Mike Harrington's turning into a Sabre media star in my book.
spndnchz Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 If they are that good....then I have NO ......respect for Regier and Ruff for hanging around in that situation. Either: 1) They have no pride and are happy with a paycheck 2) Are too comfortable in their little corner to go out into the big world where they may actually face real pressure from media and fanbase 3) Are in on the ruse 4) Are incompetent patsies 5) Multiple or all of the above I've been in a position where I ran the show until I wanted to do something that actually mattered, then had my hands tied. You put up with it on one occasion, but if you have any self respect and self-confidence, you get the hell out once it becomes a trend. In the short term it is painful on the personal bottom line, but in the long term dignity is worth more, so is open opportunity. I have heard enough about Pegula to think he's going to do the right thing and can Darcy by the offseason. If that was me buying the team and I see the shenanigans they did by extending Darcy in the middle of negotiations with me....I'd keep him as GM, redefine that role as the guy who runs the zamboni, then make the F'r go out in between periods or quit. Maybe why Ruff turned down, what seems to be, a whole lot of money last fall to re-sign.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 Mike Harrington's turning into a Sabre media star in my book. PA.....the sale is done, now things start to be told. If Ruff told them FU, I'm done with this, good for him. Who knows.
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