deluca67 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 First time since October Sabres are above .500 21 wins in 46 games is not .500 or above.
JujuFish Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 21 wins in 46 games is not .500 or above. 47 points in 46 games is above .500 in points percentage, which is what matters in the NHL, like it or not.
Tyrannustyrannus Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Plus it's the 3rd game in 4 nights. That really makes the back-to-back a KILLER. They better jump on the Isles early 'cause I don't see them having legs for very long tomorrow. Hope I'm wrong. GO SABRES!!! Don't forget, Islanders are back-to-back also.
X. Benedict Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 47 points in 46 games is above .500 in points percentage, which is what matters in the NHL, like it or not. Points percentage is how its played.
SwampD Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Plus it's the 3rd game in 4 nights. That really makes the back-to-back a KILLER. They better jump on the Isles early 'cause I don't see them having legs for very long tomorrow. Hope I'm wrong. GO SABRES!!! Luckily, the Isles played tonight as well.
Tyrannustyrannus Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 21 wins in 46 games is not .500 or above. 47 points in 46 games is always considered above .500, unless its the Buffalo Sabres and their fans ::face-palm::
deluca67 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 47 points in 46 games is above .500 in points percentage, which is what matters in the NHL, like it or not. 21 wins - 26 loses is not .500 or better no matter how the NHL wants to divide up the loses and reward points based on the types of loses. Right now there are only two sub .500 teams holding playoff spots, Atlanta + Phoenix. Only two teams that are above .500 are currently sitting out of a playoff spots - Minnesota and Los Angles. The Sabres played a good game tonight. Probably good enough to deserve a better impact on the standings. The line appears to be get to the actual .500 mark and you will make the playoffs.
CallawaySabres Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Great team effort - Miller saved the game when it was 2-1. No way they lose to the Isle tomorrow after what happened last weekend....no Sunday could be a different story
deluca67 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Points percentage is how its played. So, a win less team can be considered a .500 team? Team starts of the year with 10 consecutive OT/shootout losses. They are 0-0-10 in the first ten games. That team has lost their first ten games and you are telling me you would consider them a .500 team?
X. Benedict Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 21 wins - 26 loses is not .500 or better no matter how the NHL wants to divide up the loses and reward points based on the types of loses. Right now there are only two sub .500 teams holding playoff spots, Atlanta + Phoenix. Only two teams that are above .500 are currently sitting out of a playoff spots - Minnesota and Los Angles. The Sabres played a good game tonight. Probably good enough to deserve a better impact on the standings. The line appears to be get to the actual .500 mark and you will make the playoffs. A fairly pedantic point, isn't it? It's just a holdover of accounting from the pre-overtime era....over-time games are regulation ties.
JujuFish Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 So, a win less team can be considered a .500 team? Team starts of the year with 10 consecutive OT/shootout losses. They are 0-0-10 in the first ten games. That team has lost their first ten games and you are telling me you would consider them a .500 team? That is exactly what they are, in points percentage.
deluca67 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 That is exactly what they are, in points percentage. :lol:
JujuFish Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 :lol: It's ridiculous but that's the way the NHL works. Now, if the NHL had a 3-2-1-0 point system (Reg win-OT/SO win-OT/SO loss-reg loss) then that same 0-0-10 team would only be a .333 team.
spndnchz Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Posted January 21, 2011 Nice win. U people need to stop arguing with the one who ate too many paint chips as a child.
carpandean Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 The Sabres are a 0.500 team by the NHL definition (% of points). However, what is left out is the fact that, using the NHL scoring system, 0.500 means nothing. It tells you a team has half the possible points in a league where teams get something like 55% of points. Traditionally, 0.500 is average; even good and bad. In the NHL, it isn't. So, yeah, whoop-de-doo, the Sabres are above 0.500. They also are above pi/10 (0.31459... for those who care), which is also a meaningless number. Let me know when they get above 0.550 and I'll give them more credit. One small note, though, Deluca: while I agree with you in theory, you cannot dismiss the difference in OTL vs. L, because the different points awarded for the two can determine if a team makes the playoffs or not. If one team has one less win than another, but three more of their losses were in OT, they're getting in. It's dumb, but d'ems the rules.
nfreeman Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Just a tremendous, tremendous regular season hockey game. As close to a playoff feel as you're going to get. Did you find the goaltending acceptable in the last couple of games?
NowDoYouBelieve Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Wasn't able to watch the game today, but good win! Can anybody here shed some light on the 3 stars? According to nhl.com, they're Gaustad, Gerbe and Shakira. Wondering what Gaustad did to shut out Vanek and Miller.
nfreeman Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 21 wins - 26 loses is not .500 or better no matter how the NHL wants to divide up the loses and reward points based on the types of loses. Right now there are only two sub .500 teams holding playoff spots, Atlanta + Phoenix. Only two teams that are above .500 are currently sitting out of a playoff spots - Minnesota and Los Angles. The Sabres played a good game tonight. Probably good enough to deserve a better impact on the standings. The line appears to be get to the actual .500 mark and you will make the playoffs. Good post. I agree that morally 21-26 is not over .500, and you make an acute obervation about the "real" .500 being what it will take to get in. I have thought that it will take about 95 pts to get in. The Sabres were 18-18-5 in the 1st half, so 95 pts would require a 2nd half in the neighborhood of 25-12-4. That would mean a final record of 43-30-9, or 43-39 -- a bit better than "real" .500.
NowDoYouBelieve Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Good post. I agree that morally 21-26 is not over .500, and you make an acute obervation about the "real" .500 being what it will take to get in. I have thought that it will take about 95 pts to get in. The Sabres were 18-18-5 in the 1st half, so 95 pts would require a 2nd half in the neighborhood of 25-12-4. That would mean a final record of 43-30-9, or 43-39 -- a bit better than "real" .500. Currently, 8th place Atlanta is on pace for 91 points and so is 9th place Carolina. But yeah, suffice it to say that 95 points would put us in a much more comfortable position than 91.
SwampD Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Good post. I agree that morally 21-26 is not over .500, and you make an acute obervation about the "real" .500 being what it will take to get in. I have thought that it will take about 95 pts to get in. The Sabres were 18-18-5 in the 1st half, so 95 pts would require a 2nd half in the neighborhood of 25-12-4. That would mean a final record of 43-30-9, or 43-39 -- a bit better than "real" .500. I personally don't care what the difference is between the old .500 and the new .500. I just want to see good entertaining hockey. The only difference that matters is the one between 8th place and 9th, whatever the formula is for getting there.
nfreeman Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 A few other game notes: - That was a great win. - Miller is in the zone again. - The Sabres are playing their best hockey of the season, and they are being led, amazingly enough, by their big-money guys: Miller, Vanek, Pommer, Hecht (who led all Sabres forwards with 22 minutes of ice time; no other forward had even 19) and Gaustad. Even TC, who has been just OK, has 2 pts in his last 2 games. - I criticize both of them often, but I have to give credit to Vanek and Pommer for stepping up and winning this game in crunch time. - Gotta give some credit to Hands of Stone Hecht as well -- Hecht-Vanek-Pommer seems to be working pretty well as the top line. - For that matter, so were the TC-Ennis-McCormick and Gaustad-Gerbe-Kaleta lines. I'd guess Kaleta will be out for a while again though. - Until Vanek and Pommer stepped up in the 3rd period, Gerbe was the best forward on the ice. Not sure I ever thought I'd say that. He's definitely seized his opportunity with Roy and Stafford out. - Myers: less than 12 minutes ice time, and less than 10 minutes 5-on-5 ice time. Lowest among the 7 Sabres' defensemen, including Gragnani. - Similarly: TC: less than 12 minutes ice time, and less than 9 minutes 5-on-5 -- on a night when the Sabres only dressed 11 forwards and Kaleta went out early with an injury (unless Gragnani played some forward, although it looked to me like he was playing D). - I know some other posters have praised Gragnani's game, but he looked pretty shaky to me. I suppose he got better as the game went on. Pretty telling that he was called up and played as a 7th defenseman ahead of Rivet and Butler. - That was a 2nd consecutive gut-check win. Again, they were tough, both physically and mentally. They didn't fold in the 3rd period. Miller was solid as a rock. Then their money guys scored in winning time. - With 3 very winnable games coming up, they have a real chance to rack up some points, gain momementum and put some pressure on Florida, Atlanta and Carolina going into the break. Not to mention make the next few weeks potentially very entertaining. Go Sabres.
repster Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Much better play tonight by the Sabres compared to the Montreal game. Some good intensity and poise. Played with what looked like heart. Against Montreal it looked like they were trying to hang on. I hope I get to see another victory tomorrow from my perch in the upper bowl. If there was ever a time for Lalime...wow, I can't believe I actually typed it.
TheMatrix31 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 Agreed about the point of making the next few weeks entertaining. I mean, of course the goal is to win, but I can at least "live" with putting up a fight if we end up losing some games. The first two, three months of the season were just atrocious, brutal to watch. Just keep it rolling, and good things will happen.
shrader Posted January 21, 2011 Report Posted January 21, 2011 This again? Who cares about winning percentage? All that matters at the end of the day is that points column (ok, except for those new tie breakers). It's such a pointless argument and it needs to go away permanently. I wish I has more to say about the game, but unfortunately it was a long day yesterday and a fell asleep during the 2nd intermission. The only thing I really remember from the whole thing was the idiotic mini-rant from Edwards and Brickley originally suggesting that Kaleta was faking an injury when he blocked that shot. Do a little research you fools. It was immediately obvious what happened when he was leaving the ice.
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