sabresnutinphoenix Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 Does this trade raise the value that the Sabres could get for Connolly? Tim is the only guy I'd push to get dealt considering our play as of late...
nfreeman Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 It will have to be a slow rebuild. They have three killer contracts, Spezza $7mil 4 more years, Gonchar $5.5 for 2 more years and Michalek at $4.3 for 3 more years. Getting rid of one of those contracts this season would be a huge step forward. If Ottawa wanted to shake things up and improve their cap situation, and would do this deal: would you trade Roy and the Sabres next #1 for Spezza? How about Sekera and a #2 for Gonchar? I think I would do either of those if I were DR.
Weave Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 If Ottawa wanted to shake things up and improve their cap situation, and would do this deal: would you trade Roy and the Sabres next #1 for Spezza? How about Sekera and a #2 for Gonchar? I think I would do either of those if I were DR. Pass on Gonchar.
dumb_dumb88 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 I would like to see Connolly, Niedermayer, Rivet and Grier dealt. I would like to see Matt Ellis, Mark Mancari and Luke Adam brought up to form a 3rd or 4th line. They would be quicker than the Nieds/Grier line and may actually use the energy and youth combination to fluster some other teams. I'm aware it solves nothing long term, but short term it sure would be fun to watch em.
LabattBlue Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 I don't know a thing about her music, or whether she's a redneck. But unattractive? I'm beginning to question the subjunctive mood of your first sentence. Damn, she is a good-looking woman. As mentioned here recently, the post from Wally is your classic response that you would see over on TSW where some posters make it sound like they are dating/married to super models. :lol:
UncleWally Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 I don't know a thing about her music, or whether she's a redneck. But unattractive? I'm beginning to question the subjunctive mood of your first sentence. Damn, she is a good-looking woman. She's cute, not attractive. Jessica Simpson is attractive, not cute.
bunomatic Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 She's cute, not attractive. Jessica Simpson is attractive, not cute. Thats a little like good from far but far from good. Certainly wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers.
shrader Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 Now this is just funny: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20110210/ottawa-radio-station-bans-carrie-underwood-music-110210/ A few years back, as a joke, the Edge banned all canadian music for a day after Ottawa eliminated us from the playoffs. Half of Canada was in an uproar, claiming the station was a bunch of bitter losers. Now they turn around and do this.
bunomatic Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 A few years back, as a joke, the Edge banned all canadian music for a day after Ottawa eliminated us from the playoffs. Half of Canada was in an uproar, claiming the station was a bunch of bitter losers. Now they turn around and do this. Well it did get both stations noticed which is what these stunts are meant to do. A little publicity good or bad never hurt.
shrader Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 Well it did get both stations noticed which is what these stunts are meant to do. A little publicity good or bad never hurt. Exactly. I love how people never fail to fall face first into those obvious traps.
Taro T Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 Top 6 is generous. He will probably have that chance in Toronto, though. I hope Burke is in Toronto forever. I really do. (although I have to say, I wouldn't have minded if Darcy had picked up Frolik) :thumbsup:
deluca67 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 If Ottawa wanted to shake things up and improve their cap situation, and would do this deal: would you trade Roy and the Sabres next #1 for Spezza? How about Sekera and a #2 for Gonchar? I think I would do either of those if I were DR. I would prefer to not have Roy in that trade. If I could use Stafford or Ennis to get Spezza I would. In a big picture sense, if you could get a Spezza without giving up Roy and then sign Brad Richards? That would be an off-season to get excited about. Richards #1 center, Spezza #2 and Roy the #3. That is a group of centers that can compete with any group in the league. That 2nd additional year makes me say no to Gonchar. I want to hold out hope that Myers will break this slump and be better than Gonchar.
nfreeman Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 I would prefer to not have Roy in that trade. If I could use Stafford or Ennis to get Spezza I would. In a big picture sense, if you could get a Spezza without giving up Roy and then sign Brad Richards? That would be an off-season to get excited about. Richards #1 center, Spezza #2 and Roy the #3. That is a group of centers that can compete with any group in the league. That 2nd additional year makes me say no to Gonchar. I want to hold out hope that Myers will break this slump and be better than Gonchar. I think most would agree with you about preferring to hang onto Roy and deal Stafford or Ennis instead. (I'm not sure I do, but I would certainly be happy with those as the top 3 centers.) Initially I said to myself "NFW would Ottawa not insist on Roy and accept Ennis or Stafford" -- but then I remembered the hosing they took in the Heatley trade. I wonder if that makes them more or less likely to get similarly hosed if they trade Spezza?
SwampD Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 I'll Take Drew over Spezza. I still think Drew's best days are ahead of him. Spezza is what he is and they haven't been too pleased with that in Ottawa.
deluca67 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 I think most would agree with you about preferring to hang onto Roy and deal Stafford or Ennis instead. (I'm not sure I do, but I would certainly be happy with those as the top 3 centers.) Initially I said to myself "NFW would Ottawa not insist on Roy and accept Ennis or Stafford" -- but then I remembered the hosing they took in the Heatley trade. I wonder if that makes them more or less likely to get similarly hosed if they trade Spezza? Sometimes it not about what you get in return. It can be simply about the cap relief. Spezza is a $7 mil hit for the next four years. Next year alone trading Spezza would raise the Sens cap space to over $26 mil (with 14 players under contract) and $41 mil the following season (with 5 players signed). For a team that has made the decision to rebuild those are good numbers to see. That alone may worth taking less than market value for Spezza. If I were the GM of the Sens I would give up Spezza for a #1, #2 and a prospect.
deluca67 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 I'll Take Drew over Spezza. I still think Drew's best days are ahead of him. Spezza is what he is and they haven't been too pleased with that in Ottawa. Stafford has been who he is for 35 games.
SwampD Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 Stafford has been who he is for 35 games. If we had a $7 mil player on our team that only had 10 goals and 22 pts we would be killing him. Connolly's got 8 goals and 22 pts and we all want him tarred and feathered.
Calvin Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 If we had a $7 mil player on our team that only had 10 goals and 22 pts we would be killing him. Connolly's got 8 goals and 22 pts and we all want him tarred and feathered. well played!
Lanny Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 If Ottawa wanted to shake things up and improve their cap situation, and would do this deal: would you trade Roy and the Sabres next #1 for Spezza? How about Sekera and a #2 for Gonchar? I think I would do either of those if I were DR. Obviously Spezza improves the Sabres for this year, but I really am not sure there is much of a difference in value between the two players on the ice. Spezza is a little bigger, but i'm not sure he uses his size to any advantage over Roy. With salary and all things are considered Roy is more valuable when healthy. I'm not sure a 1st is worth two months of Spezza on the ice to have to take Spezza's $7 mill salary for 4 more years, esp with Ottawa in division.
deluca67 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 If we had a $7 mil player on our team that only had 10 goals and 22 pts we would be killing him. Connolly's got 8 goals and 22 pts and we all want him tarred and feathered. Injuries are definitely an issue. Another reason I would take Roy off of the trade table. The difference between Spezza and Connolly is when both healthy Spezza is 2 points shy of being a point a game player in the regular season. He is a point a game player in the playoffs. Connolly is nowhere near a point a game player.
Lanny Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 Sometimes it not about what you get in return. It can be simply about the cap relief. Spezza is a $7 mil hit for the next four years. Next year alone trading Spezza would raise the Sens cap space to over $26 mil (with 14 players under contract) and $41 mil the following season (with 5 players signed). For a team that has made the decision to rebuild those are good numbers to see. That alone may worth taking less than market value for Spezza. If I were the GM of the Sens I would give up Spezza for a #1, #2 and a prospect. Depends on what the free agent market looks like and what is available to spend that money on. Plus, if you're a team in a rebuild, free agents are less likely to sign with you unless you overpay. So you end up with two or three overpaid players instead of one. Spezza is only 27, unless he is a complete cancer or someone is willing to overpay with prospects and picks I'd hang onto him.
SwampD Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 Injuries are definitely an issue. Another reason I would take Roy off of the trade table. The difference between Spezza and Connolly is when both healthy Spezza is 2 points shy of being a point a game player in the regular season. He is a point a game player in the playoffs. Connolly is nowhere near a point a game player. I'm not really comparing the two 'cuz I don't want either, but they have the same criticisms about Spezza up there that we do here about TC - floater, takes shifts off,.. I also wonder if Spezza would still be a PPG player in the playoffs without Alfredsson and Heatly. That was a hell of a line.
deluca67 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 Depends on what the free agent market looks like and what is available to spend that money on. Plus, if you're a team in a rebuild, free agents are less likely to sign with you unless you overpay. So you end up with two or three overpaid players instead of one. Spezza is only 27, unless he is a complete cancer or someone is willing to overpay with prospects and picks I'd hang onto him. It comes down to being careful how you spend as well. The worst mistake a team can make is the "we need a guy" signing.
nfreeman Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 Sometimes it not about what you get in return. It can be simply about the cap relief. Spezza is a $7 mil hit for the next four years. Next year alone trading Spezza would raise the Sens cap space to over $26 mil (with 14 players under contract) and $41 mil the following season (with 5 players signed). For a team that has made the decision to rebuild those are good numbers to see. That alone may worth taking less than market value for Spezza. If I were the GM of the Sens I would give up Spezza for a #1, #2 and a prospect. You make a good point about requiring less value in return in a trade in order to get cap space, but I think you do that with a guy like Pommer or Hecht, not with a rarer talent like Spezza (or Heatley, for that matter). I would not give up Spezza for that package. If we had a $7 mil player on our team that only had 10 goals and 22 pts we would be killing him. Connolly's got 8 goals and 22 pts and we all want him tarred and feathered. It's important to point out that he has 22 pts in 35 games, not 55. Obviously Spezza improves the Sabres for this year, but I really am not sure there is much of a difference in value between the two players on the ice. Spezza is a little bigger, but i'm not sure he uses his size to any advantage over Roy. With salary and all things are considered Roy is more valuable when healthy. I'm not sure a 1st is worth two months of Spezza on the ice to have to take Spezza's $7 mill salary for 4 more years, esp with Ottawa in division. There might an "intangible" addition-by-subtraction benefit for both teams. Also, I think Spezza has more upside and is a better playmaker than Roy. I would love to see him centering for Vanek. Injuries are definitely an issue. Another reason I would take Roy off of the trade table. The difference between Spezza and Connolly is when both healthy Spezza is 2 points shy of being a point a game player in the regular season. He is a point a game player in the playoffs. Connolly is nowhere near a point a game player. What does this mean? Isn't Roy missing a huge chunk of this season with an injury? Spezza is what TC could have become but hasn't. Depends on what the free agent market looks like and what is available to spend that money on. Plus, if you're a team in a rebuild, free agents are less likely to sign with you unless you overpay. So you end up with two or three overpaid players instead of one. Spezza is only 27, unless he is a complete cancer or someone is willing to overpay with prospects and picks I'd hang onto him. I agree that this is the logical decision, but sometimes teams either make bonehead moves or get forced into making bad deals. It could happen with Spezza. I'm not really comparing the two 'cuz I don't want either, but they have the same criticisms about Spezza up there that we do here about TC - floater, takes shifts off,.. I also wonder if Spezza would still be a PPG player in the playoffs without Alfredsson and Heatly. That was a hell of a line. He's been very productive over a fairly lengthy period, including in the playoffs. He's had a crappy season along with everyone else on that roster. The guys with the biggest contracts get scapegoated when things don't go right. He's not the Ryan Kesler or Mike Richards that the Sabres really need, but he'd be a great pickup IMHO.
deluca67 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Posted February 12, 2011 What does this mean? Isn't Roy missing a huge chunk of this season with an injury? This Roy's first major injury. The first time he has not played in at least 70 games since his rookie year. Spezza missed a good amount of games over that past two seasons. It is a small sample but a point of concern as well.
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