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Trade deadline? Are the Sabres buyers or sellers?


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And that's all before even doing the one thing that increases that percentage the most, winning.

 

Chances go up by 6.5% by us betting the Pens tonight. Down 3.9% if we lose. Even an overtime loss gets us plus .4%.

 

Points baby POINTS!

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Chances go up by 6.5% by us betting the Pens tonight. Down 3.9% if we lose. Even an overtime loss gets us plus .4%.

 

Points baby POINTS!

 

What do the numbers look like if they lose 3 of the next 4?

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I'd have to go and look at trade history over the last couple years but my sense is that there isn't much player A for player B type trades that happen anymore in the league thanks to the salary cap. I think it is more draft pick for player A or prospect for player A type trades these days. I really believe that player for player trades are going to be much more difficult to pull off than picks/prospects for player trades.

You are right weave. Draft picks are the commodity that matters in a salary cap world. Player for player trades happen less frequently than before the cap and the salaries generally seem to be equal. The trade deadline tends to be more quantity of trades than quality of traded players. How many big names traded places last year as opposed to marginal name players. Lots of movement, not much excitement.

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Per Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal -

 

The Sabres will be backing up the truck to unload their UFA guys — Mike Grier, Tim Connolly and defenceman Steve Montador. Connolly has squandered his talent in Buffalo but he might be a good second-line pickup. Montador, who is tough, might be the most attractive to many teams, however. He’s a solid third-pairing D-man.

 

Link- http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/sunday_morning_hockey_talk3/

 

Looks like they are selling.

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Per Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal -

 

 

 

Link- http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/sunday_morning_hockey_talk3/

 

Looks like they are selling.

 

All assumptions. I could have wrote the same article before the season started. I don't think joe schmoe from edmonton has much of a clue what Pegula and the Sabres want to do at the deadline... obviously moving Connolly would be a plus, doesn't mean Buffalo is "selling." Maybe just a good old fashion eye for an eye trade?

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I don't see them being buyers now that Pegula is scrutinizng the moves. In fact, doing nothing seems more likely...

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All assumptions. I could have wrote the same article before the season started. I don't think joe schmoe from edmonton has much of a clue what Pegula and the Sabres want to do at the deadline... obviously moving Connolly would be a plus, doesn't mean Buffalo is "selling." Maybe just a good old fashion eye for an eye trade?

 

You are absolutly correct, that it is all assumptions, however i will say that writer is one of the most respected journalists in hockey and maybe he doesn't have sources within the Pegula camp, but maybe he's heard from Edmonton people that Sabres are just trying to unload some guys?

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I don't see them being buyers now that Pegula is scrutinizng the moves. In fact, doing nothing seems more likely...

I would believe this is correct.

His statement of "Rebranding the Franchise" says volumes.

I would think the Sabres are going to jettison as much dead weight at the deadline as possible.

 

I can even see Mark Mancari brought up to fill one of the slots if a winger is traded.

But yea, I think if we make the playoffs this season, it's merely a bonus for Pegula's team.

His attention would be turned to the draft and FA in the off season in his efforts to build the foundation of a strong, competitive product on the ice.

 

It will be interesting to see how the Sabres are built over the next 3 to 5 seasons, thats for sure.

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I would believe this is correct.

His statement of "Rebranding the Franchise" says volumes.

I would think the Sabres are going to jettison as much dead weight at the deadline as possible.

 

I can even see Mark Mancari brought up to fill one of the slots if a winger is traded.

But yea, I think if we make the playoffs this season, it's merely a bonus for Pegula's team.

His attention would be turned to the draft and FA in the off season in his efforts to build the foundation of a strong, competitive product on the ice.

 

It will be interesting to see how the Sabres are built over the next 3 to 5 seasons, thats for sure.

 

Mancari has looked very good in Portland. Trouble with him is his first line AHL game doesn't translate well into a 3rd Line NHL game.

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For the optimists: maybe the 7th seed is back in play? Rangers lost again tonight, so they are now 9 points ahead with 5 extra games played.

 

This site makes scoreboard watching gun: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Sabres.html

 

Up to 28.9 % chance of making the playoffs.

 

If Sabres, Devils, and Blues win tomorrow.

 

And Lightening, Canes, and Panthers lose

 

chances skyrocket to 39% :beer:

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That's going to make a lot of folks on here, VERY UNHAPPY..

 

 

You are misinterperetting their point of view.

 

Just sayin'...

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You are misinterperetting their point of view.

 

Just sayin'...

I don't think so. Their POV is winning somehow prevents the Sabres from getting better, as if making the playoffs will lessen TP's resolve to retool the team. But I also think certain people love to wallow in self-pity.

 

PTR

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I don't think so. Their POV is winning somehow prevents the Sabres from getting better, as if making the playoffs will lessen TP's resolve to retool the team. But I also think certain people love to wallow in self-pity.

 

PTR

 

Well, I was one of those people who were advocating that playoffs may not be in this teams best interest long term and yes, it was misinterpretted. The rationale is; Gunning for playoffs this year means keeping several vets who are likely to be part of an eventual housecleaning. If those vets are moved this year then the rebuild starts sooner and the real Cup dreams occur more quickly. You cannot move those vets and have a reasonable expectation of playoff success so a choice needs to be made before the trade deadline. And the choices are simple. 1. Keep the vets knowing that they will be needed for the playoff grind and add a couple more vets fort he playoff push. This is a short term train of thought because TP has already talked about "rebranding" this team. or 2. Start the rebuild at the deadline by moving the UFA's and a few vets that don't fit into the long term plan and get a leg up on the "rebranding" effort now.

 

Note that neither of these choices result in someone hoping the team loses. Read that last sentence again please. All we are saying is, we prefer that the team start the rebuild now because this team isn't talented enough or tough enough to make any real playoff success likely. Is playoff success possible? Sure. So is an unseen meteor hitting the Earth on Dec 21, 2012.

 

There is a HUGE difference between being willing to sacrifice a low odds playoff run this year for a head start on the rebuild and hoping the team loses. I realize that it is philosophically easier to be condescending towards the other point of view but really, it is disingenuous.

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Well, I was one of those people who were advocating that playoffs may not be in this teams best interest long term and yes, it was misinterpretted. The rationale is; Gunning for playoffs this year means keeping several vets who are likely to be part of an eventual housecleaning. If those vets are moved this year then the rebuild starts sooner and the real Cup dreams occur more quickly. You cannot move those vets and have a reasonable expectation of playoff success so a choice needs to be made before the trade deadline. And the choices are simple. 1. Keep the vets knowing that they will be needed for the playoff grind and add a couple more vets fort he playoff push. This is a short term train of thought because TP has already talked about "rebranding" this team. or 2. Start the rebuild at the deadline by moving the UFA's and a few vets that don't fit into the long term plan and get a leg up on the "rebranding" effort now.

 

Note that neither of these choices result in someone hoping the team loses. Read that last sentence again please. All we are saying is, we prefer that the team start the rebuild now because this team isn't talented enough or tough enough to make any real playoff success likely. Is playoff success possible? Sure. So is an unseen meteor hitting the Earth on Dec 21, 2012.

 

There is a HUGE difference between being willing to sacrifice a low odds playoff run this year for a head start on the rebuild and hoping the team loses. I realize that it is philosophically easier to be condescending towards the other point of view but really, it is disingenuous.

Well, we're really only talking about TC and Monty, right? And most of the recent winning streak was accomplished without TC, so it's kinda just Monty, right?

 

I don't think anyone likes or dislikes Monty enough to draw too many conclusions from keeping him vs. trading him.

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Well, we're really only talking about TC and Monty, right? And most of the recent winning streak was accomplished without TC, so it's kinda just Monty, right?

 

I don't think anyone likes or dislikes Monty enough to draw too many conclusions from keeping him vs. trading him.

 

I'm talking about more than TC and Monty.

 

If you are going to plan for a playoff run I don't think you can move TC. Bear with me here cuz I think as little of TC as the rest of you do so this is hard to say. What does Buffalo have for centers right now? Hecht, Connolly, Goose, Byron. Roy isn't coming back for a playoff run. Are we expecting Adam to be ready for NHL playoff hockey? Heck, are we expecting Byron to be ready for playoff hockey? TC is a joke but he is a legit starting NHL center. Right now, he is the ONLY legit starting NHL center on the roster. Unless he is replaced by another NHL center there is no way that you can expect any sort of playoff success with a center lineup of Hecht, Goose, Byron, and ???

 

And that is the biggest part of my point. Does Mgt shoot for playoffs and lose the return on players like TC or do they start the inevitable now and jettison the guys that don't figure into the future. You know which choice I am advocating. It doesn't mean I hope the Sabres lose. It means I hope they don't lose sight of the promise that next season can hold.

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