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[Patty16]

Again, not necessarily disagreeing with your conclusion, but he leads (or led, I haven't checked recently) his team in scoring. So I think by definition he's a top scorer. And yes, he may be older than most, but he's heavy on the PIMs and he isn't necessarily supposed to be the primary scoring threat. His role in the NHL will certainly remove a heavy scoring expectation, but you can argue that the same is true for Windsor to a certain degree. So considering his role, both in terms of expectations and what he's delivered, I'd say that his point per game average is pretty good, and has gotten better and there's no loss (or need to find) his scoring touch.

 

 

Great post.

 

Yea if thats the expectation of him he's doing great.

 

I think i got the impression some on here thought he was gonna be an all star big tough winger scoring tons of goals.

[Weave]

Awfully generous of you. There is NFW Calgary does that deal without a major sweetener -- and Weber or Butler (or any other defenseman on the roster not named Myers) isn't going to do it.

 

I certainly could be overvaluing our top prospects but I hate the idea of giving up someone with the potential that Kassian (or Adam) offers in return for a guy as old as Iginla.

 

Rumor has Iginla is at odds with the coach there. He may move for less than you think for just that reason. He's 33 and on the down side of his career. Kassian is still considered a blue chip prospect. I'll give up prospects for a guy who *used to be a star* and is an improvement for us. But I won't give up one of my top 2 prospects for him. IMO Adam and Kassian are too much for Iginla now. Pretty much any other prospect in the system would be fine by me to move.

 

Looking at their roster real quick, it looks like Calgary needs the most help on the blue line. Maybe you could toss in any D-man not named Myers to a Stafford/Connolly package and and make it work?

[jpgr909]

I think i got the impression some on here thought he was gonna be an all star big tough winger scoring tons of goals.

 

That would most definitely be a bonus, but it's not my expectation. The way I look at it, the guy brings a certain element that is currently lacking with the Sabres, so any scoring is gravy. He's not a guy I, or you, expected to tear up juniors, so a team leader in scoring and physical play is awesome. That's Iginla-like, though I of course am NOT comparing him to Jarome, particularly in the scoring department. He'll definitely be welcome to the team next year, though, huh?

[Patty16]

That would most definitely be a bonus, but it's not my expectation. The way I look at it, the guy brings a certain element that is currently lacking with the Sabres, so any scoring is gravy. He's not a guy I, or you, expected to tear up juniors, so a team leader in scoring and physical play is awesome. That's Iginla-like, though I of course am NOT comparing him to Jarome, particularly in the scoring department. He'll definitely be welcome to the team next year, though, huh?

 

thats how i see him as well. He's not a kitty and can score a little.

 

as for iginla in his last 3 seasons he hasnt missed a game and has scored 99 89 and 69 points. Thats no drop off from his earlier career.

Yea he's in his twilight but a known quantity for a few years might be worth a propect or two for a desperate team.

[Weave]

thats how i see him as well. He's not a kitty and can score a little.

 

as for iginla in his last 3 seasons he hasnt missed a game and has scored 99 89 and 69 points. Thats no drop off from his earlier career.

Yea he's in his twilight but a known quantity for a few years might be worth a propect or two for a desperate team.

 

Kassian is Chris Neil with more offensive potential. I think comparing him to Milan Lucic in terms of potential is not out of order. Although I expect somewhere between Lucic and Neil is probably more in line.

 

Given the way the NHL is going (and the Eastern Conference in particular) those sort of players are going to be very valuable IMO.

[nfreeman]

I think i got the impression some on here thought he was gonna be an all star big tough winger scoring tons of goals.

My hope for Kassian is that he develops into a Ryan Smyth-Milan Lucic type -- ie a consistent 25-35-60 player (once he reaches his prime) who really brings it physically and plays a blood-and-guts game.

 

I certainly could be overvaluing our top prospects but I hate the idea of giving up someone with the potential that Kassian (or Adam) offers in return for a guy as old as Iginla.

 

Rumor has Iginla is at odds with the coach there. He may move for less than you think for just that reason. He's 33 and on the down side of his career. Kassian is still considered a blue chip prospect. I'll give up prospects for a guy who *used to be a star* and is an improvement for us. But I won't give up one of my top 2 prospects for him. IMO Adam and Kassian are too much for Iginla now. Pretty much any other prospect in the system would be fine by me to move.

 

Looking at their roster real quick, it looks like Calgary needs the most help on the blue line. Maybe you could toss in any D-man not named Myers to a Stafford/Connolly package and and make it work?

I agree about not parting with Kassian or Adam (less sure about Adam though), and I'd also be fine with trading any other prospect in the system. I just think Iginla is too valuable to Calgary to take back 2 underachieving free-agents-to-be in Stafford and TC, and throwing in a to-this-point mediocre defenseman isn't going to make a difference.

 

OTOH, they took back a bunch of crapola for Phaneuf last year, so you could be right!

[korab rules]

My hope for Kassian is that he develops into a Ryan Smyth-Milan Lucic type -- ie a consistent 25-35-60 player (once he reaches his prime) who really brings it physically and plays a blood-and-guts game.

 

 

I agree about not parting with Kassian or Adam (less sure about Adam though), and I'd also be fine with trading any other prospect in the system. I just think Iginla is too valuable to Calgary to take back 2 underachieving free-agents-to-be in Stafford and TC, and throwing in a to-this-point mediocre defenseman isn't going to make a difference.

 

OTOH, they took back a bunch of crapola for Phaneuf last year, so you could be right!

 

 

Your "hope" for kassian is my hope as well, but it is an absolute best case scenario. I would be happy with a Chris Neil/Brad May clone.

 

As to what it would take to pry him free, you know with DR running the show the trade will only happen if Calgary is looking to unload him like they did Phaneuf. To them, having two players who will be gone at the end of the year and free up some salary may be looked at as a bonus.

[X. Benedict]

I just think Iginla is too valuable to Calgary to take back 2 underachieving free-agents-to-be in Stafford and TC, and throwing in a to-this-point mediocre defenseman isn't going to make a difference.

 

OTOH, they took back a bunch of crapola for Phaneuf last year, so you could be right!

 

I don't see Iginla accepting a trade unless it is a deadline deal to a cup contender and

Calgary is already eliminated.

[Tyrannustyrannus]

1) a Sabres scout at an Amerks game? Who we haven't been affiliated with in two years?

 

2) Miller has been out a week. If he needed surgery, he would have had it six days ago.

 

I call BS.

 

 

This thread was all BS

[Calvin]

Your "hope" for kassian is my hope as well, but it is an absolute best case scenario. I would be happy with a Chris Neil/Brad May clone.

what a waste of a first round draft pick if Kassian ends up as a Chris Neil/Brad May clone.

[Weave]

Your "hope" for kassian is my hope as well, but it is an absolute best case scenario. I would be happy with a Chris Neil/Brad May clone.

 

As to what it would take to pry him free, you know with DR running the show the trade will only happen if Calgary is looking to unload him like they did Phaneuf. To them, having two players who will be gone at the end of the year and free up some salary may be looked at as a bonus.

 

Rumor on the intertubes is that Iginla doesn't want to leave Calgary but would be willing to waive if the team asked him to. I read that somewhere earlier today. If I can find it again I'll post it. If it's on the internet it msut be true, right? :doh:

 

Your point about Calgary getting two players that they wouldn't be committed to beyond this year being a positive crossed my mind as well.

[Weave]

what a waste of a first round draft pick if Kassian ends up as a Chris Neil/Brad May clone.

 

Given Darcy's success rates with 1st round picks it would be a step in the right direction. :D

[korab rules]

what a waste of a first round draft pick if Kassian ends up as a Chris Neil/Brad May clone.

Really? If every first round pick had career stats like this:

 

NHL totals 1041 127 162 289 2248 88 4 9 13 112

 

we would be doing all right.

 

Where are our 1st round picks from recent years? The two Tylers are on the roster. Persson is mired in the AHL. Zagrapan is in the KHL. Stafford we can't wait to get rid of. Vanek was a number five, he should be good. Keith Ballard was a first round pick, along with Danny Paille. Juri Novotny, Kryukov, Baret Heisten, Dmitri Kalinin, Mika Noronen, Erik Rasmussen, Jay McKee, Marty Biron, Wayne Primeau, David Cooper, Shane McFarlan, Phillipe Boucher and Jamie Steer.

 

Those are our first round picks since we chose Brad May in 1990. I consider myself an avid sabres fan and I have never heard of half these guys. Most of the ones I have heard of suck. Say what you will, I would be thrilled to select a guy who plays more than a thousand NHL games with our first round choice every year. If we did, everyone else in the league would switch to video scouting in a hurry.

 

Edit: All right, that is an exaggeration. I haven't heard of Heisten, Cooper, McFarlan or Steer. The point is, most of these guys had marginal NHL careers, or none at all. Brad May played 1000 NHL games! Of that list of names, who has had a better NHL career than Brad May? Marty Biron? He's a career back up with some spot starter duties. Jay McKee? He was a workhorse until his body broke down. Kalinin? He's another guy that fell off the face of the planet once Ruff was done holding him back. Even the guys that played for the Sabres at the NHL level almost all fell apart once they left Buffalo, but hey, lets fire Ruff! After looking at this list of first round picks we should fire our scouting department and give Ruff a raise!

[shrader]

Where are our 1st round picks from recent years? The two Tylers are on the roster. Persson is mired in the AHL. Zagrapan is in the KHL. Stafford we can't wait to get rid of. Vanek was a number five, he should be good. Keith Ballard was a first round pick, along with Danny Paille. Juri Novotny, Kryukov, Baret Heisten, Dmitri Kalinin, Mika Noronen, Erik Rasmussen, Jay McKee, Marty Biron, Wayne Primeau, David Cooper, Shane McFarlan, Phillipe Boucher and Jamie Steer.

 

 

Edit: All right, that is an exaggeration. I haven't heard of Heisten, Cooper, McFarlan or Steer.

 

You never heard of McFarlane and Steer because they weren't actual draft picks. They were taken in supplemental drafts, which were held for a few years to select college players who weren't eligible for the normal draft. You can't hold those picks against them becuase those drafts were a who's who or nothing. That draft was held for 9 years and there were maybe 5 players who turned into anything.

 

And no, this doesn't really say anything against the point you were making. I had never heard of those two myself, so I had to look up who they were and where they came from.

[nfreeman]

Your "hope" for kassian is my hope as well, but it is an absolute best case scenario. I would be happy with a Chris Neil/Brad May clone.

 

As to what it would take to pry him free, you know with DR running the show the trade will only happen if Calgary is looking to unload him like they did Phaneuf. To them, having two players who will be gone at the end of the year and free up some salary may be looked at as a bonus.

I think Kassian has much more offensive game than those 2. Now, he may not turn out to be as effective a pro as Neil is and May was, but that will be more a function of what's upstairs than his hands.

 

I don't see Iginla accepting a trade unless it is a deadline deal to a cup contender and

Calgary is already eliminated.

Good call.

 

what a waste of a first round draft pick if Kassian ends up as a Chris Neil/Brad May clone.

I would trade any forward on the Sabres other than Roy, Vanek and possibly Ennis for Chris Neil.

[X. Benedict]

 

I would trade any forward on the Sabres other than Roy, Vanek and possibly Ennis for Chris Neil.

 

Then who would Neil have good games against? :beer:

[deluca67]

The whole thing comes across as a complete waste. On one side, you have what you just mentioned, and on the other you have one person who based the whole thing on vet work, and another who completely flopped his argument mid-thread when he realized he was wrong (but hey, he did use to have MD in his username).

If you actually took a moment and read the thread you would know exactly how asinine that comment is. Then again accuracy has never been your style.

[deluca67]

theres no point trying to have a discussion any longer.

 

I am not an EMT. My education and training does however make me very knowledgable about this topic. Keep on opinion-ating about topics you lack knowledge in, suits you well.

 

 

 

btw any update on Miller?

With all your high faluting education you would think you could spell knowledgeable? :lol:

[bunomatic]

With all your high faluting education you would think you could spell knowledgeable? :lol:

:worthy:

[X. Benedict]

With all your high faluting education you would think you could spell knowledgeable? :lol:

did that correction feel satisfying?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

highfalutin (one word, no g) :ph34r:

[Calvin]

I would trade any forward on the Sabres other than Roy, Vanek and possibly Ennis for Chris Neil.

This is what years of mediocrity have driven us to, people wishing to have Neil on the team.

[nfreeman]

This is what years of mediocrity have driven us to, people wishing to have Neil on the team.

It was more a statement on the quality of the Sabres' forwards. Even so, Neil is a useful player for any team.

[Patty16]

did that correction feel satisfying?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

highfalutin (one word, no g) :ph34r:

 

 

Dont point out a spelling error if you do the same.

 

it is highfalutin deluca. But im sure you feel warm in fuzzy inside after a shot at "one a dem college boys"

[Stoner]

Dont point out a spelling error if you do the same.

 

it is highfalutin deluca. But im sure you feel warm in fuzzy inside after a shot at "one a dem college boys"

 

"warm in fuzzy"? Realy?

[Patty16]

"warm in fuzzy"? Realy?

 

"realy"