nfreeman Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 There isn't a single player on this roster that is captain-worthy. Probably the suggestion in this thread that I find least repulsive is giving it to Roy and/or Vanek on the theory that it might make them step up.
R_Dudley Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 I agree, you can't have a captain that is probably not even going to be here next year, what's the point? I might have to hold my nose and pick Roy or Vanek. They are here long term, they are the players that are suppose to perform and they are almost stars in the league If you look at the position in hockey over time and the current teams that have good/effective captains then the things that should influence the sabres player choosen; 1.) Leadership by example, 2. Plays in all critical situations, 3. Competes all the time 4.) Hates to lose, 5.) Respects the game, If you have those qualities then IMO it follows naturally you have the respect and ear of your teammates, you have respect of the teams you compete against, you typically lead your team in ice time and thereby get the opportunites to deliver in the clutch and do when your team needs it. Then the real question for this team is; Who on the Sabres today does that come closest to describe? I personnaly think it is between Pommers and Roy. The loser gets the A and the other A goes to the top dman. Note they may not be the best just the ones closest to filling that role
Stoner Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Is Myers not even in the mix right now? Is it his sophomore slump? So much of this involves things that are known only inside the room. Who knows, given the hooting and hollering when Connolly was re-signed, the team might vote for him. He sure played like he was trying to prove something last night.
BADMOFO518 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Tim def was moving with a purpose last night, and has been playing overall better so far this year than last. However, neither Roy nor Vanek nor Connoly are worthy of a "C". If anybody, Miller or (preferably)Niedermeyer...he is a proven leader, has won the cup and his line has been the only consistent line this team has put on the ice all season long. They should also pursue a power forward like Jarome Iginla, and should definitely go after a pp quarterback like Sheldon Souray...
spndnchz Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Tim def was moving with a purpose last night, and has been playing overall better so far this year than last. However, neither Roy nor Vanek nor Connoly are worthy of a "C". If anybody, Miller or (preferably)Niedermeyer...he is a proven leader, has won the cup and his line has been the only consistent line this team has put on the ice all season long. They should also pursue a power forward like Jarome Iginla, and should definitely go after a pp quarterback like Sheldon Souray... Iginla is never leaving Calgary. WTF would u want Souray? Washed up has been locker room cancer so much so he's buried in the minors? I'd go Roy. He's a changed man this year. When is the last time we saw him dive? Not backcheck? His statement last night about not accepting losing was great. Maybe that comes from him looking to be captain?
Stoner Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Whoever the next captain is, Jimmy Carter needs to monitor this election.
BADMOFO518 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Iginla is never leaving Calgary. WTF would u want Souray? Washed up has been locker room cancer so much so he's buried in the minors? I'd go Roy. He's a changed man this year. When is the last time we saw him dive? Not backcheck? His statement last night about not accepting losing was great. Maybe that comes from him looking to be captain? Perhaps, but i am a little tainted from the lack of charater the last couple of seasons, that guy is way too talented to trade but not a captain IMHO... there has been talk of iginla not happy with mamagement all through the off season, he would be a great add upfront, and we could unload a connolly or hecht and maybe gerbe?? as for souray are you forgetting his like 40-50 pts from 08-09? he had trouble with injuries last season and was sidelined, but he would definitely help the blueline and we could def sign him cheap and short term... Niedermeyer has won a cup. he is the obvious choice for captain. But if the players choose Roy, and lets all remember it is up to a player vote, then i would like to see Robbie at least get asst. captain.
spndnchz Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Souray's still under contract for 2 more yrs, 5.4 million each. That's not cheap, even 2.7 million for him at this time through re-entry waivers ain't cheap.
bunomatic Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 There isn't a single player on this roster that is captain-worthy. Probably the suggestion in this thread that I find least repulsive is giving it to Roy and/or Vanek on the theory that it might make them step up. I agree,there aren't any leaders on this team right now. Would anyone off this team make the grade on any other teams in this league as captain?
BADMOFO518 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Souray's still under contract for 2 more yrs, 5.4 million each. That's not cheap, even 2.7 million for him at this time through re-entry waivers ain't cheap. You dont think Edmonton would pick part of his remaining salary to move him outta there? Even outside of Souray, just comminting to finding a solid power forward would suffice as success. I mean, seriously, we have Roy and Vanek, and Timmy when he wants to show up, outside of those three, who else do we have that we KNOW can consistently put the puck in the new and CONSISTENTLY finish off oppurtunitys?
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Is Myers not even in the mix right now? Is it his sophomore slump? So much of this involves things that are known only inside the room. Who knows, given the hooting and hollering when Connolly was re-signed, the team might vote for him. He sure played like he was trying to prove something last night. Just to prove that we aren't total grumps.....I agree on Connolly. He has played with much more of an edge this year. Probably because of the contract, but I don't care.....he has stepped up 5 times that I can count after a whistle to be the first guy in a scrum. Not BS stepping up either....he took a guy to the ice, he's crosschecked a few, and my favorite move...grab the guy by the collar and slam him against an imaginary locker like you're shaking down an 8th grade nerd for his lunch money. Maybe that comes from experience for him. The point being.....he's made it a point to "step out of character", and I appreciate it. His offense may not be whirlwind right now, but he's doing some things. I think what we are seeing is like a kid who was scared to go in the deep end of the pool for so long...but once he did it, he wasn't scared anymore and kept going in. I predict Connolly gets into a real gloves-off fight over the next 5-7 games. The sad thing is...Roy and Connolly are actually putting in extra effort in situations they wouldn't usually and it shows. The problem has been half the roster is just sacks of potatoes on skates. Gaustad, Kaleta, Niedermeyer, Rivet, Montador, Butler, Grier....then your usual timid guys, Hecht, Sekera, Stafford....the rollercoaster boys in Gerbe, Ennis....and the "stars" are playing uninspired...Myers, Vanek, Miller. Some of those guys are trying, but the results aren't there. Right now the only guys playing deserving of the C are Roy and Connolly. I'm going to go slit my wrists now.
bob_sauve28 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Tim def was moving with a purpose last night, and has been playing overall better so far this year than last. However, neither Roy nor Vanek nor Connoly are worthy of a "C". If anybody, Miller or (preferably)Niedermeyer...he is a proven leader, has won the cup and his line has been the only consistent line this team has put on the ice all season long. They should also pursue a power forward like Jarome Iginla, and should definitely go after a pp quarterback like Sheldon Souray... That really bothered me. Why doesn't he play like that at least once in awhile? Just terrible. Now we know he can play hard, but its a little late now.
BADMOFO518 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 We will be ok, we still have a good team, just in a SERIOUS funk but we will get out of it...We still have the world's best goaltender, one of the best team defenses in the eastern conference and top to bottom depth alot of coaches only dream of...just need to get on a roll and we will be ok
Stoner Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Just to prove that we aren't total grumps.....I agree on Connolly. He has played with much more of an edge this year. Probably because of the contract, but I don't care.....he has stepped up 5 times that I can count after a whistle to be the first guy in a scrum. Not BS stepping up either....he took a guy to the ice, he's crosschecked a few, and my favorite move...grab the guy by the collar and slam him against an imaginary locker like you're shaking down an 8th grade nerd for his lunch money. Maybe that comes from experience for him. The point being.....he's made it a point to "step out of character", and I appreciate it. His offense may not be whirlwind right now, but he's doing some things. I think what we are seeing is like a kid who was scared to go in the deep end of the pool for so long...but once he did it, he wasn't scared anymore and kept going in. I predict Connolly gets into a real gloves-off fight over the next 5-7 games. The sad thing is...Roy and Connolly are actually putting in extra effort in situations they wouldn't usually and it shows. The problem has been half the roster is just sacks of potatoes on skates. Gaustad, Kaleta, Niedermeyer, Rivet, Montador, Butler, Grier....then your usual timid guys, Hecht, Sekera, Stafford....the rollercoaster boys in Gerbe, Ennis....and the "stars" are playing uninspired...Myers, Vanek, Miller. Some of those guys are trying, but the results aren't there. Right now the only guys playing deserving of the C are Roy and Connolly. I'm going to go slit my wrists now. Before you do that, I figured you might want to get the blood flowing. So... the Hi Dad lady wears Mom Jeans.
darksabre Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 We will be ok, we still have a good team, just in a SERIOUS funk but we will get out of it...We still have the world's best goaltender, one of the best team defenses in the eastern conference and top to bottom depth alot of coaches only dream of...just need to get on a roll and we will be ok Darcy?
deluca67 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 We will be ok, we still have a good team, just in a SERIOUS funk but we will get out of it...We still have the world's best goaltender, one of the best team defenses in the eastern conference and top to bottom depth alot of coaches only dream of...just need to get on a roll and we will be ok Wrong board, the topic of this board is the Buffalo Sabres.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 We will be ok, we still have a good team, just in a SERIOUS funk but we will get out of it...We still have the world's best goaltender, one of the best team defenses in the eastern conference and top to bottom depth alot of coaches only dream of...just need to get on a roll and we will be ok Let's say you are right and this is a "good" team. Good enough to finish 3rd-6th in the conference. The past 3 years it has taken 1.13 points a game just in order to crack the 8th seed. They currently have 8 points in 11 games. Let's say "a roll" would be going 12-6-3 over their next 21. That would put them at 15-12-5 over 32 games. That would be 40% into the season and just squeaking into the 8th seed if they are lucky. To be a division winner, a team has averaged 108 points the past 3 years. If the Sabres "Go on a roll" to get to 35 points over the first 32 games, that means in order to expect to win the division, they would need 73 points in their last 50 games. How could that happen? 34-11-5? 32-9-9? 35-12-3? This would have to happen ON TOP of going 12-6-3 in their next 21. If the Sabres can't do this, they should expect to finish 4th or worse in the conference. So tell me again, please. This is a good team?
BADMOFO518 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 I would be happy at this point finishing anywhere over 8th place in the conference, and yes, that can happen...the canadiens BARELY made the playoffs last year and, thanks to a hot goalie, marched all the way to the eastern conference finals. The sabres are a much better team and have a much better goalie...
BADMOFO518 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Now, lets be clear, thats not to say we have some issues going forward that, if are not addressed will blow up in our faces and prevent us from making the playoffs altogether, first and foremost offense, and leadership
gregkash Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Guys. I would like to point out that while we are not playing well, 3-6-2 isn't exactly a mountain. It's curbing this bad play now and not when it's 5-14-3
BADMOFO518 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 Guys. I would like to point out that while we are not playing well, 3-6-2 isn't exactly a mountain. It's curbing this bad play now and not when it's 5-14-3 ABSOLUTELY! we are 3 games behind .500, i mean, really? we suck, really?
darksabre Posted October 30, 2010 Report Posted October 30, 2010 I would be happy at this point finishing anywhere over 8th place in the conference, and yes, that can happen...the canadiens BARELY made the playoffs last year and, thanks to a hot goalie, marched all the way to the eastern conference finals. The sabres are a much better team and have a much better goalie... No, the sabres are not a much better team. Put the cocaine away and disconnect your router. I'd suggest going outside and experiencing sunlight too. The only thing the Sabres have on Montreal is goaltending because they made the stupid choice of ditching Halak.
beerme1 Posted October 31, 2010 Report Posted October 31, 2010 ABSOLUTELY! we are 3 games behind .500, i mean, really? we suck, really? Yes from top to bottom and tonight we couldn't get a goal on a Boston/Toronto cast off who played his first game of the season and pitched a shutout against us. Yes I think we suck. Yes we really suck. But at least this game had some hitting. How it took this long to expose this joke of talent on this team is the real mystery. I guess the answer is or was for last year MILLER! How after the way the season ended last year and we did what to improve? Oh ya picked up Nieds. Ok nuff said? Dump Darcy first because Larry aint goin nowhere and give Lindy five different guys to work with starting now including at least two new core guys. I'm going to puke when this team names Derek diva Roy it's captain. Holy ###### this is sad. GO BILLS
Skibum Posted November 1, 2010 Report Posted November 1, 2010 How about Montador as captain? He plays hard and does his best to make things happen out there. He is +9 on a team that has been outscored 38-30 so far. He might be the only consistently good defender we've had this season (Byfuglien goal aside). He also fits the requirement of not being among the "core" players that were drafted by the Sabres and collectively exhibit zero leadership skills. The selection of Rivet as captain was, to me, an indictment of the core players' lack of faith in each other. Among the recent newcomers to the team, I think Montador puts forth the best game night in and night out. Grier and Niedermeyer are too old, Ennis and Myers are too young and inconsistent, and it doesn't seem like Morrisonn and Leopold have had enough time to fully mesh with the team yet. Montador, anyone?
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