Rick Rypien

[Patty16]

THere is no way a fair minded person can look at that video and blame the fan(s). I still think 10-20, with the range being hard to determine based on lack of recent occurrences of this nature.

[Skibum]

In the clip you can only see the guy clapping, but he had been sitting there for the whole game. Who knows what else he might have been doing throughout the course of the night. In my opinion, there are a few fans who could use a punch in the face once in a while. Antagonizing a player, knowing that they are putting their career on the line if they retaliate, is cowardly and a beat-down worthy offense in my opinion. Screw that guy.

[Patty16]

In the clip you can only see the guy clapping, but he had been sitting there for the whole game. Who knows what else he might have been doing throughout the course of the night. In my opinion, there are a few fans who could use a punch in the face once in a while. Antagonizing a player, knowing that they are putting their career on the line if they retaliate, is cowardly and a beat-down worthy offense in my opinion. Screw that guy.

 

words never justify assault

[korab rules]

Isn't that why you buy those seats? The proximity to the opponents bench and tunnel? You buy those seats with the intent to heckle and harass the opposition. If you are going to wrestle the bull, don't complain when you get the horns.

 

Fine Rypien, but only because he might be related to Mark.

[korab rules]

Rick, this is how it's done, son.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In all seriousness, I wonder why they were escorted out after the incident. They better have been asked to give a statement and then move to a box. If they were "kicked out", that's more embarrassing than the player hitting a teenager.

 

What did Razor get for this, a pat on the back?

 

Even hockey is pussified these days.

[R_Dudley]

What did Razor get for this, a pat on the back?

 

Even hockey is pussified these days.

 

Yes as I recall he was never fined, chastised or threatened with legal action.

 

Just shows to go how far we have come in todays PC world.

[SwampD]

words never justify assault

...and yet the NHL justifies it every third game.

[korab rules]

words never justify assault

 

Your momma

[cdexchange]

I guess 20 games.

[Robviously]

Is there an app for this? You generally take about 80% off the conventional wisdom on the number of games some idiot is going to be suspended for.

 

Coli will look at the replay, see that the guy's hands were beyond the glass a little and pretty much buy the "we have to defend ourselves" argument.

 

Eight games.

What type of backwards universe are we living in where this would result in a longer suspension than smashing another player's head into the glass to leave him unconscious and twitching on the ice?

 

Oh, whatever, it's not like brain injuries every really hurt anyone.

[shrader]

What did Razor get for this, a pat on the back?

 

Even hockey is pussified these days.

 

If you can't see the difference between these two situations, you've officially lost your mind.

[korab rules]

If you can't see the difference between these two situations, you've officially lost your mind.

 

Huh? How is razor absolutely pounding a fan on the bench less deserving of punishment than Rypien giving the guy a little shake on his way to the dressing room?

 

Granted, it seems Ray's fan climbed onto the glass behind the bench, but it also seems the fan was then dragged onto the bench, thrown on the ice, and then absolutely pummeled when he went after the bench. Contrary to Ray's explanation, the players seemed to be holding him at the bench while pounding him. The fans shirt is over his head, and he is clearly trying to get away from the bench at that point.

 

Call me crazy, but Ray's actions seem far worse than Rypien's. Rypien's fan got an elevated heart rate and a great story he can tell the rest of his life. Ray's fan got the ###### kicked out of him, and maybe a fractured orbital.

[spndnchz]

Huh? How is razor absolutely pounding a fan on the bench less deserving of punishment than Rypien giving the guy a little shake on his way to the dressing room?

 

Granted, it seems Ray's fan climbed onto the glass behind the bench, but it also seems the fan was then dragged onto the bench, thrown on the ice, and then absolutely pummeled when he went after the bench. Contrary to Ray's explanation, the players seemed to be holding him at the bench while pounding him. The fans shirt is over his head, and he is clearly trying to get away from the bench at that point.

 

Call me crazy, but Ray's actions seem far worse than Rypien's. Rypien's fan got an elevated heart rate and a great story he can tell the rest of his life. Ray's fan got the ###### kicked out of him, and maybe a fractured orbital.

and since then, when was the last time you saw a drunk fan, or fan even, on the ice surface? You get on the playing surface in any sport, prepare to be pummeled.

[Eleven]

and since then, when was the last time you saw a drunk fan, or fan even, on the ice surface? You get on the playing surface in any sport, prepare to be pummeled.

 

Yep. Drunk fans on the playing surface are dangerous (ask the KC first base coach) and if players want to take the initiative in that situation, I have no problem with it.

 

EDIT: You could ask Monica Seles, too.

[spndnchz]

League going 2 announce Rypien is suspended indefinitely until the have a hearing on it.

[korab rules]

and since then, when was the last time you saw a drunk fan, or fan even, on the ice surface? You get on the playing surface in any sport, prepare to be pummeled.

I absolutely agree with this - I'm just not sure what shrader is getting at. Rypien had no business putting his hands on that fan, but how is what he did worse than what Ray did? Ray is just T-ing off on that guy's head!

 

I understand Ray's fan gets what he gets when he climbs the glass, but Rypien just grabbed the guy by the lapels and gave him a little shake. Inappropriate, yes, but some people are suggesting a season long suspension for it?!? GTFO!

 

Yep. Drunk fans on the playing surface are dangerous (ask the KC first base coach) and if players want to take the initiative in that situation, I have no problem with it.

 

EDIT: You could ask Monica Seles, too.

Good point (no pun intended), forgot about that one.

[rickshaw]

Ok, here's my take from B.C.

 

First off, John Garrett was doing the homer colour commentating and he was completely wrong on his telling of this. The fan was clapping and that is it. Rypien lost it before that though.

 

He was into it at the Wild bench and when it had all settled down the linesman was man-handling him very aggressively, too much so if you ask me. Rypien was not trying to get back into the Wild bench, he was co-operating and going to his bench but the linesman wouldn't let up on him. This made Rypien even angrier and you can see him say get your hands off of me and at this point he's livid, clearly not thinking and then lashes out at the fan.

 

Not a good situation. No excuse for it, but I believe the whole situation escalated more than it needed to because of the linesman. Take him to the bench, he's going anyway. There is no need for his aggressiveness imo. Not in this situation at least. But the bottom line is you can't touch the fans. Rypien gets 5-10 for this.

[Eleven]

I absolutely agree with this - I'm just not sure what shrader is getting at. Rypien had no business putting his hands on that fan, but how is what he did worse than what Ray did? Ray is just T-ing off on that guy's head!

 

I understand Ray's fan gets what he gets when he climbs the glass, but Rypien just grabbed the guy by the lapels and gave him a little shake. Inappropriate, yes, but some people are suggesting a season long suspension for it?!? GTFO!

 

 

Good point (no pun intended), forgot about that one.

 

Just learned about this one now: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/19/2010-10-19_crazed_fan_who_ran_onto_yankee_stadium_field_was_targeting_arod.html

 

Seriously, I have no problem with what Rob Ray did or with what any player/coach/ref does when a spectator enters the field/rink/pitch/whatever.

[shrader]

I absolutely agree with this - I'm just not sure what shrader is getting at. Rypien had no business putting his hands on that fan, but how is what he did worse than what Ray did? Ray is just T-ing off on that guy's head!

 

I understand Ray's fan gets what he gets when he climbs the glass, but Rypien just grabbed the guy by the lapels and gave him a little shake. Inappropriate, yes, but some people are suggesting a season long suspension for it?!? GTFO!

 

The guy was on the ice and making contact with Buffalo players. It can't get any more simple than that. To compare that to going after a kid who is clapping in the stands is asinine.

[OTTOnME]

The only way Rick Rypien avoids a long suspension is if one of the following is true:

 

Rypien is hard of hearing, and simply wanted to better hear what the fan was saying.

 

Rypien is African-Canadian, African-American or First Nations, and the fan said something racist.

[korab rules]

The guy was on the ice and making contact with Buffalo players. It can't get any more simple than that. To compare that to going after a kid who is clapping in the stands is asinine.

I guess we disagree on what constitutes an appropriate response to a fan entering the playing surface (or being dragged onto it). Are the players entitled to defend themselves by any means necessary? Absolutely! Are Multiple players entitled to grab him and hold him down while Razor rains punches down on him? To me, that seems a little excessive.

 

Don't get me wrong, I agree Rypien is in the wrong. I just don't see his actions as deserving the type of punishment some of you are suggesting. Make him publicly apologize, pay the fan 10K, buy him a box for a game, hell, make him wash the fans car in a bikini. But suspend the player FOR A YEAR???

 

What type of backwards universe are we living in where this would result in a longer suspension than smashing another player's head into the glass to leave him unconscious and twitching on the ice?

 

Oh, whatever, it's not like brain injuries every really hurt anyone.

Dear Lord, THIS!

 

Lets get our priorities straight. That fan is thrilled about what happened. Its what he only dreamed could possibly happen when he bought those seats where he could hang down over the opposition's tunnel.

[shrader]

I guess we disagree on what constitutes an appropriate response to a fan entering the playing surface (or being dragged onto it). Are the players entitled to defend themselves by any means necessary? Absolutely! Are Multiple players entitled to grab him and hold him down while Razor rains punches down on him? To me, that seems a little excessive.

 

I've never seen anything other than that classic clip, but it seems hard to imagine that he was dragged to that position. I have a hard time picturing someone being dragged onto the ice, yet somehow standing up on the ice, faced towards the bench.

 

As for the other stuff about the league punishing this more than a hit to the head. Just because the league handles one situation poorly, does that mean they're supposed to handle every other situation equally poorly? This action deserves a stiff penalty regardless of how they treat any other issues.

[korab rules]

I've never seen anything other than that classic clip, but it seems hard to imagine that he was dragged to that position. I have a hard time picturing someone being dragged onto the ice, yet somehow standing up on the ice, faced towards the bench.

 

Neither have I. My "account" of what happened is based on what Ray said in the interview, that the fan was up on the glass staring at them, and they weren't going to wait to find out what he intended. When you are talking about what happened to a guy who came over the glass onto the opposing teams bench, or looked ready to do so, throw logic and reasoned thought out the window. If the players didn't wait, that mean they pulled him onto the bench. If he ended up on the ice its because they put him there, and if he ended up facing the bench its because he came after them. The camera picks up the carnage from there. Clearly, he no longer desired to be on the bench at that point.

 

 

As for the other stuff about the league punishing this more than a hit to the head. Just because the league handles one situation poorly, does that mean they're supposed to handle every other situation equally poorly? This action deserves a stiff penalty regardless of how they treat any other issues.

 

The two incidents should be handled proportionately, but that is probably too much to ask.

[wonderbread]

Hey Rypien is way outta line. This deserves at least 25 games. Fans and Ref's are off limits. In as brutal of a league this is unless the fan commits some sort of physical confrontation be it entering the ice or attacking the players he's innocent.

 

 

What would RJ's call sound like? :unsure:

 

Video one or Video two? :ph34r:

 

My guess is it's the 2nd, unfortunatly. :pirate:

[korab rules]

Here's a link to the TSN article. Suspended pending a hearing. They say this type of hearing means a 5 game minimum. Neat history of other altercations with fans, including a video interview with Barnaby concerning his altercation with a fan and what the process is like.