X. Benedict Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 I said at the time that I would have been fine with signing Kovy if Vanek were traded (or, at least, Pommer.) I just didn't want that many big contracts given to wingers. If there were a chance to pick up a top center (or two) and they had to pass because of having big contracts for Kovy, Vanek, Pommer, Myers (after next season), and Miller (likely $30 million combined), that would be unfortunate. Doesn't matter. He'll rejoice every time Kessle and Kovulchuk score. The insinuation is that the Sabres failed to get either of them. I have no problem admitting that Kovulchuk is the best pure shooter in the league. I wouldn't have a problem admitting the same of Kessle (though I think he is far from that) That's not the problem. The problem is trying to build a team around those one dimensional players. If they are not scoring goals every night, they are often hurting your team. And no player scores every night. In terms of building... Go big up the middle. In Sabre terms this usually means you build around Lafontaine before Mogilny. Perreault before Robert. It is a little hard for me to get as excited about NJ's goals scoring. Last in the league.
SwampD Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Doesn't matter. He'll rejoice every time Kessle and Kovulchuk score. The insinuation is that the Sabres failed to get either of them. I have no problem admitting that Kovulchuk is the best pure shooter in the league. I wouldn't have a problem admitting the same of Kessle (though I think he is far from that) That's not the problem. The problem is trying to build a team around those one dimensional players. If they are not scoring goals every night, they are often hurting your team. And no player scores every night. In terms of building... Go big up the middle. In Sabre terms this usually means you build around Lafontaine before Mogilny. Perreault before Robert. It is a little hard for me to get as excited about NJ's goals scoring. Last in the league. Actually, the insinuation is not that they failed to get these players, it's that they didn't even try to get them. It is also that what were obviously moves determined by money were justified as hockey moves. It has also become more and more obvious to me that those moves made (or not made) last Summer were based solely on OSP collecting a few more millions upon the sale of the Sabres (which he knew was coming). Darcy sold it and people bought it. There's just no place on the Sabres for a 50 goal scorer. :D
Weave Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Actually, the insinuation is not that they failed to get these players, it's that they didn't even try to get them. It is also that what were obviously moves determined by money were justified as hockey moves. It has also become more and more obvious to me that those moves made (or not made) last Summer were based solely on OSP collecting a few more millions upon the sale of the Sabres (which he knew was coming). Darcy sold it and people bought it. There's just no place on the Sabres for a 50 goal scorer. :D :clapping: I wasn't on this board when the Kovie deal went down. But my take on it on the board I was active on was, I wasn't necessarily looking for Buffalo to pick up Kovie, but I was looking for Buffalo to make a Kovie-like move. Something big and bold that showed that management was actually trying. Yep. Darcy sold it as a hockey decision and folks bought it.
X. Benedict Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Actually, the insinuation is not that they failed to get these players, it's that they didn't even try to get them. It is also that what were obviously moves determined by money were justified as hockey moves. It has also become more and more obvious to me that those moves made (or not made) last Summer were based solely on OSP collecting a few more millions upon the sale of the Sabres (which he knew was coming). Darcy sold it and people bought it. They were bad hockey moves. Judging by the standings they are still bad hockey moves. NJ won their division last year. Lou Lameirello didn't want to blow his team up. His marketing department did. Now they are back to playing the same brand of hockey they wanted to deep six. Kessle was a bad move too. This is Burkes third year. Perhaps they've improved some, but they are still long-shots. But we can still pretend that these were the only players worth getting.
X. Benedict Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 There's just no place on the Sabres for a 50 goal scorer. :D We'll see if he ever scores 50 again. We has 14 more years to try. :lol:
SwampD Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 They were bad hockey moves. Judging by the standings they are still bad hockey moves. NJ won their division last year. Lou Lameirello didn't want to blow his team up. His marketing department did. Now they are back to playing the same brand of hockey they wanted to deep six. Kessle was a bad move too. This is Burkes third year. Perhaps they've improved some, but they are still long-shots. But we can still pretend that these were the only players worth getting. Different teams, same story. We also won our division. I'm sure Darcy didn't want to blow up the team either but was forced to get rid of 1/3 of the defense (maybe the top third) and then did the absolute minimum to shore up the center position without the fans rioting. Whatever the reason's were for both teams, right now I'd rather be watching Kovy getting game winning goals over Nieds getting his first of the year.
X. Benedict Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Different teams, same story. We also won our division. I'm sure Darcy didn't want to blow up the team either but was forced to get rid of 1/3 of the defense (maybe the top third) and then did the absolute minimum to shore up the center position without the fans rioting. Whatever the reason's were for both teams, right now I'd rather be watching Kovy getting game winning goals over Nieds getting his first of the year. The organizational failure in Buffalo was not getting a center. Although, I'm finally pleased with how the defense is looking. It was a huge struggle to get this far.
stepped IN zhitnik Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Kovy has 8 30+ goal seasons in a row
deluca67 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 They were bad hockey moves. Judging by the standings they are still bad hockey moves. NJ won their division last year. Lou Lameirello didn't want to blow his team up. His marketing department did. Now they are back to playing the same brand of hockey they wanted to deep six. Kessle was a bad move too. This is Burkes third year. Perhaps they've improved some, but they are still long-shots. But we can still pretend that these were the only players worth getting. This just shows you know very little about the Devils. Lameirello has a history of adding snipers to he his defense first hockey team. Richer and Mogilny are two examples that come to mind. You also have not been paying attention. Others have been mentioned on this board as players the Sabres should have gone after. Horton and Dustin Byfuglien are two others. I'll add Anton Volchenkov as another player that was obtainable and affordable. As far as Kessel? Picking up a 23 year old multiple time 30 goal scorer is never a bad move.
Two or less Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Seven years later, Steve Moore still haunted by hit http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/seven-years-later-steve-moore-still-haunted-by-hit/article1933045/
BuffaloFansR_Crazy Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 The Caps beat Tampa in a shootout tonight to tie Boston with 84 points (but 2 more games played). Ovi put Rolson flat on his face with a really nice move. Who would not love to see Buffalo face D.C. or Tampa in the first round when all is said and done?
Weave Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Seven years later, Steve Moore still haunted by hit http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/seven-years-later-steve-moore-still-haunted-by-hit/article1933045/ I still think Bertuzzi is trash for that incident. 7 years of behaving doesn't change a damned thing in my mind. He damned near killed that kid. I hope Moore wins that lawsuit in a big way.
X. Benedict Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 This just shows you know very little about the Devils. Lameirello has a history of adding snipers to he his defense first hockey team. Richer and Mogilny are two examples that come to mind. You also have not been paying attention. Others have been mentioned on this board as players the Sabres should have gone after. Horton and Dustin Byfuglien are two others. I'll add Anton Volchenkov as another player that was obtainable and affordable. As far as Kessel? Picking up a 23 year old multiple time 30 goal scorer is never a bad move. Pre-Salary cap on a team that was loaded up the middle in Mogilny's case......not typical of Lou at all IMO... Richer was a very solid two way player BTW, he had badass shot, but he was in no way one-dimensional. But thanks for exposing my ignorance. :rolleyes: I don't really think either team was built around those players per se.. Now you are getting silly. They didn't just pick up Kessle..they gave away plenty for him. A trade Boston was happy to make. I'm not against trades at all....and I don't disagree that X player or Y player could be better, I just don't think you build your team from the sides in to get better. You build from the middle out. But as I said .....you'll have years to see this play out. Devils will miss the playoffs and so will the Leafs. The Sabres still might. If you overpay for someone.....please please please just make it a center.
Two or less Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 The Caps beat Tampa in a shootout tonight to tie Boston with 84 points (but 2 more games played). Ovi put Rolson flat on his face with a really nice move. Who would not love to see Buffalo face D.C. or Tampa in the first round when all is said and done? Tampa. I can't believe Boucher didn't use Stamkos or St Louis in the shootout.
BuffaloFansR_Crazy Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Tampa. I can't believe Boucher didn't use Stamkos or St Louis in the shootout. Haha, I know. They decide to go with our old friend Dominic Moore instead. Besides our huge advantage in goal tending, Lindy would tear Guy Boucher up.
Eleven Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 This just shows you know very little about the Devils. Lameirello has a history of adding snipers to he his defense first hockey team. Richer and Mogilny are two examples that come to mind. You also have not been paying attention. Others have been mentioned on this board as players the Sabres should have gone after. Horton and Dustin Byfuglien are two others. I'll add Anton Volchenkov as another player that was obtainable and affordable. As far as Kessel? Picking up a 23 year old multiple time 30 goal scorer is never a bad move. 1) You were all about Kovy, and had little to say about the others, last trade deadline. 2) There's a new regime in town now, anyway. Time to quit bitching about the past. Especially Kovy. Geez, what a ripoff that would have been. Your bitching would have been even worse had the team signed him!
Bmwolf21 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Seven years later, Steve Moore still haunted by hit http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/seven-years-later-steve-moore-still-haunted-by-hit/article1933045/ He clearly had it coming. <_<
billsrcursed Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Haha, I know. They decide to go with our old friend Dominic Moore instead. Besides our huge advantage in goal tending, Lindy would tear Guy Boucher up. Are you sure about that?? :unsure:
X. Benedict Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Are you sure about that?? :unsure: Boucher is a really interesting coach. There is lots of movement and role shifting in their system. It's a great system for skaters, I'm really wondering how well it translates to playoff hockey.
billsrcursed Posted March 8, 2011 Report Posted March 8, 2011 Boucher is a really interesting coach. There is lots of movement and role shifting in their system. It's a great system for skaters, I'm really wondering how well it translates to playoff hockey. Agreed. I was referring to us having a "huge advantage" in goaltending over Tampa. Not sure I see it that way.
spndnchz Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Posted March 9, 2011 Bylsma signed a three year contract extension Pens announced today.
biodork Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 Brad Richards back in tonight - first game after the concussion: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=555497&navid=DL|NHL|home
sabresnutinphoenix Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 Canes lose in OT..Sabres still in 8th spot...
biodork Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 Canes lose in OT..Sabres still in 8th spot... Thank you, Atlanta! Looks like the Rangers play Anaheim in a little bit; hopefully they will also lose.
BuffaloFansR_Crazy Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 Thank you, Atlanta! Looks like the Rangers play Anaheim in a little bit; hopefully they will also lose. Thanks for blowing a two point lead Thrash. But still in 8th with two games in hand! Go Ducks. edit: 1 game not 2.
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