What if Darcy said this?

[Claude_Verret]

Reading this comment from Canes GM Rutherford raised my eyebrows a bit. I despise the Canes, but I have much respect for their GM. Being a small market team he still finds ways to bring in difference makers at the trade deadline, unlike you know who. Anyway, here is the the quote that made me wonder how badly Darcy would get skewered if he made the same comment.

 

Is there a challenge to show fans that, in recent years, other teams with low payrolls have still had good seasons?

 

We have a very loyal fan base. Our fans understand the game and understand exactly what we’re doing. I don’t think we can use this business model year after year and be a team that spends to the floor two, three, four, five years in a row. I don’t think that’s going to work. I do believe that if the right things happen, if our best players are our best players and are healthy, I believe this team can be competitive. Will it make the playoffs? I can sit here and tell you if we were at the cap, you may not make the playoffs. Lots of teams that spend to the cap [don't make they playoffs] because it’s hard to make the playoffs in the National Hockey League. It’s almost harder to make it into the playoffs than it is to take a good run in the playoffs. With the players that we’re looking at bringing back, and if our best players play like our best players, this team can still be competitive this year.

 

So what do you think? Harder to just make the playoffs or harder to make a run when you get there?

 

Link

[wjag]

Reading this comment from Canes GM Rutherford raised my eyebrows a bit. I despise the Canes, but I have much respect for their GM. Being a small market team he still finds ways to bring in difference makers at the trade deadline, unlike you know who. Anyway, here is the the quote that made me wonder how badly Darcy would get skewered if he made the same comment.

 

 

 

So what do you think? Harder to just make the playoffs or harder to make a run when you get there?

 

Link

 

Laughable.

[Eleven]

This would send DeLuca over the edge (again).

[PromoTheRobot]

Is Dick Jauron now the 'Canes GM?

 

PTR

[MATTHEWALLEN]

Not many GM's have the guts to say it like it is. 30 teams, one winner a year. At the end of the day...it's business. Too many cry babies around here. Last season was fun. The Flyers had a crap goalie and made a run. The Habs made a run. Anything can happen in the playoffs. It just didn't work for us last year. We still have cap room and pieces we could move to get better. If not, then we're still be in good shape to make another run. Cry babies don't win championships. No Excuses. No Pessimism. You pick your ######G HEAD UP AND YOU TRY AGAIN.

 

Let's go Sabres

[dundy249]

Reading this comment from Canes GM Rutherford raised my eyebrows a bit. I despise the Canes, but I have much respect for their GM. Being a small market team he still finds ways to bring in difference makers at the trade deadline, unlike you know who. Anyway, here is the the quote that made me wonder how badly Darcy would get skewered if he made the same comment.

 

 

 

So what do you think? Harder to just make the playoffs or harder to make a run when you get there?

 

Link

 

 

It is honestly getting really old hearing all you crying, oh darcy sucks, lindy sucks blah blah people.

 

 

What are you not getting the sabres over the last 5 years are top 10 in the league in wins...2 conference final appearances,

 

since 1998 4 conference finals, 1 stanley cup appearance? where exactly is it not working.

 

 

 

Over the last 5 years the sabes have 30 plus more wins then the canes..made the playoffs one more year then they did and had it not been for injury would have went to the cup that they won.

 

SO do the math in a 12 year period 4 times they reached the conference finals..think about how hard the canes GM just said that was.

 

 

 

 

JESUS people stop bitching you could be a leafs or Islanders fan :)

 

 

 

 

Just to add to this as well...the sabres have made the playoffs 29 of 40 times...enjoy what you have

 

Detroit same span 23 of 40

[deluca67]

Reading this comment from Canes GM Rutherford raised my eyebrows a bit. I despise the Canes, but I have much respect for their GM. Being a small market team he still finds ways to bring in difference makers at the trade deadline, unlike you know who. Anyway, here is the the quote that made me wonder how badly Darcy would get skewered if he made the same comment.

 

 

 

So what do you think? Harder to just make the playoffs or harder to make a run when you get there?

 

Link

Imagine how tough it would be if over 50% of the teams didn't make the playoffs. :doh:

[bunomatic]

We may whine and bitch about being a mediocre team come playoffs but at least we desire to be held to a higher standard than what has been offered up by Sabres management in recent years. That is the sign of a winner. A team and its fanbase that won't accept being just average. Is there anything wrong with that? The problem with Sabres fans that accept being average is that they don't know any better because they've never supported a successful franchise. You are a product of your enviroment. Being a loser is a learned trait just as much as being a winner is. Hold this management teams feet to the fire and make them accountable for accepting losing. Show me a championship and I'll accept that it was a successful season.

[Stoner]

We may whine and bitch about being a mediocre team come playoffs but at least we desire to be held to a higher standard than what has been offered up by Sabres management in recent years. That is the sign of a winner. A team and its fanbase that won't accept being just average. Is there anything wrong with that? The problem with Sabres fans that accept being average is that they don't know any better because they've never supported a successful franchise. You are a product of your enviroment. Being a loser is a learned trait just as much as being a winner is. Hold this management teams feet to the fire and make them accountable for accepting losing. Show me a championship and I'll accept that it was a successful season.

 

:worthy:

[shrader]

It is honestly getting really old hearing all you crying, oh darcy sucks, lindy sucks blah blah people.

 

What are you not getting the sabres over the last 5 years are top 10 in the league in wins...2 conference final appearances,

 

since 1998 4 conference finals, 1 stanley cup appearance? where exactly is it not working.

 

Over the last 5 years the sabes have 30 plus more wins then the canes..made the playoffs one more year then they did and had it not been for injury would have went to the cup that they won.

 

SO do the math in a 12 year period 4 times they reached the conference finals..think about how hard the canes GM just said that was.

 

 

JESUS people stop bitching you could be a leafs or Islanders fan :)

 

 

Just to add to this as well...the sabres have made the playoffs 29 of 40 times...enjoy what you have

 

Detroit same span 23 of 40

 

Did you bother reading beyond the thread title because you're going off on the wrong person here. I don't want to speak for CV, but that was hardly one of those "crucify Darcy!" posts.

 

We may whine and bitch about being a mediocre team come playoffs but at least we desire to be held to a higher standard than what has been offered up by Sabres management in recent years. That is the sign of a winner. A team and its fanbase that won't accept being just average. Is there anything wrong with that? The problem with Sabres fans that accept being average is that they don't know any better because they've never supported a successful franchise. You are a product of your enviroment. Being a loser is a learned trait just as much as being a winner is. Hold this management teams feet to the fire and make them accountable for accepting losing. Show me a championship and I'll accept that it was a successful season.

 

This post is the perfect example of how people get way too involved in sports. We're Sabres and Bills fans, so we too are losers by association? That's a bunch of BS. I watch the games to be entertained and of course I want to see the Sabres win, but it's not going to ruin my life if they fall short.

[Claude_Verret]

It is honestly getting really old hearing all you crying, oh darcy sucks, lindy sucks blah blah people.

 

 

What are you not getting the sabres over the last 5 years are top 10 in the league in wins...2 conference final appearances,

 

since 1998 4 conference finals, 1 stanley cup appearance? where exactly is it not working.

 

 

 

Over the last 5 years the sabes have 30 plus more wins then the canes..made the playoffs one more year then they did and had it not been for injury would have went to the cup that they won.

 

SO do the math in a 12 year period 4 times they reached the conference finals..think about how hard the canes GM just said that was.

 

 

 

 

JESUS people stop bitching you could be a leafs or Islanders fan :)

 

 

 

 

Just to add to this as well...the sabres have made the playoffs 29 of 40 times...enjoy what you have

 

Detroit same span 23 of 40

 

Here is the difference. Detroit has Cups. The Islanders have Cups. If the Sabres had even one Cup I believe most fans would exhibit more patience. It's not working because they have had tweleve chances to bring home the ultimate measure of success and failed. TWELVE SEASONS! I think it is enough aleady with these two running things. I really like Lindy too and I believe it's highly likely that he will find that success elsewhere, but not in Buffalo.

[Claude_Verret]

Did you bother reading beyond the thread title because you're going off on the wrong person here. I don't want to speak for CV, but that was hardly one of those "crucify Darcy!" posts.

 

Yes. I do wish that Darcy wasn't the GM anymore, but I also know that no amount of bitching/whining/crusading on here is going to change that.

[static70]

It is honestly getting really old hearing all you crying, oh darcy sucks, lindy sucks blah blah people.

 

 

What are you not getting the sabres over the last 5 years are top 10 in the league in wins...2 conference final appearances,

 

since 1998 4 conference finals, 1 stanley cup appearance? where exactly is it not working.

 

 

 

Over the last 5 years the sabes have 30 plus more wins then the canes..made the playoffs one more year then they did and had it not been for injury would have went to the cup that they won.

 

SO do the math in a 12 year period 4 times they reached the conference finals..think about how hard the canes GM just said that was.

 

 

 

 

JESUS people stop bitching you could be a leafs or Islanders fan :)

 

 

 

 

Just to add to this as well...the sabres have made the playoffs 29 of 40 times...enjoy what you have

 

Detroit same span 23 of 40

Your right, ALL PRAISE DARCY REGIER, After all, he did bring us a Stanley Cup............err, almost a Stanley Cup.

The first Final appearances and Cup series against Dallas was not the work of Regier, that team was mostly in place by the time him and Lindy took over. But hey, no biggie, you have arguably the greatest goal tender to ever play the game and drive him away.

 

Wait, What? His job is to actually find a way to win the Stanley Cup?

In the words of chz, "I feel Jipped".

 

Don't You?

[dundy249]

Your right, ALL PRAISE DARCY REGIER, After all, he did bring us a Stanley Cup............err, almost a Stanley Cup.

The first Final appearances and Cup series against Dallas was not the work of Regier, that team was mostly in place by the time him and Lindy took over. But hey, no biggie, you have arguably the greatest goal tender to ever play the game and drive him away.

 

Wait, What? His job is to actually find a way to win the Stanley Cup?

In the words of chz, "I feel Jipped".

 

Don't You?

 

Actually no i dont. I am blessed to have a team that competes year in and year out. Hockey is one of the most if not the most difficult championship to win. Not only do you have to win 16 more times in the playoffs you need the stars to allign. No injuries, hot goaltending, other teams have off nights. letting more teams into the playoff race creates more parody and therefore more chances to lose.

 

Yes the Islanders won cups but long before many of us were really into it. Detroit has been more recent with the cups but their fans went many years without even the playoff to get there.

 

 

So here is the real questioun...would you take a cup win next year if it meant over then next 20 years the team would be mediocre to poor..missing the playoffs more then half of the time and maybe even going 6 or 7 years with no playoffs.

 

 

I appreciate the fact that just about every year my team has a legimate shot to compete and maybe just get there..they will eventually.

 

 

yeah the leafs won some cups too about 400 years ago...since then they are putrid

[static70]

Actually no i dont. I am blessed to have a team that competes year in and year out. Hockey is one of the most if not the most difficult championship to win. Not only do you have to win 16 more times in the playoffs you need the stars to allign. No injuries, hot goaltending, other teams have off nights. letting more teams into the playoff race creates more parody and therefore more chances to lose.

 

Yes the Islanders won cups but long before many of us were really into it. Detroit has been more recent with the cups but their fans went many years without even the playoff to get there.

 

So here is the real questioun...would you take a cup win next year if it meant over then next 20 years the team would be mediocre to poor..missing the playoffs more then half of the time and maybe even going 6 or 7 years with no playoffs.

 

 

I appreciate the fact that just about every year my team has a legimate shot to compete and maybe just get there..they will eventually.

 

 

yeah the leafs won some cups too about 400 years ago...since then they are putrid

To answer your question, YES!

I would, without hesitation, take a championship and let the team rot for 20 years.

I think you fail to understand something here. Some of us fans are older than the team or as old as the team itself.

With this new found knowledge, you should realize we have already waited 40 years. Your thinking is skewed to us, becuase 20 years is literally a drop in the bucket. We have already shown we have the patience to wait that long times 2.

 

You should have used 60 years, and even then, us fans who are of age, wouldn't care the least bit, we want a championship in OUR LIFETIME. I know this may actually seem a bit over dramitic for you, and I honestly don't know your age, but if you lived all 40 years of it the way other fans have, you wouldn't think the way you do.

[Sabre Dance]

Actually no I don't. I am blessed to have a team that competes year in and year out. Hockey is one of the most if not the most difficult championship to win. Not only do you have to win 16 more times in the playoffs you need the stars to align. No injuries, hot goaltending, other teams have off nights. letting more teams into the playoff race creates more parody and therefore more chances to lose.

 

Define "compete" - If you mean play well enough to make the playoffs, OK. If you mean play their hearts out to try to win those magical 16 times in the playoffs, the Sabres aren't even close.

 

 

Yes the Islanders won cups but long before many of us were really into it. Detroit has been more recent with the cups but their fans went many years without even the playoff to get there.

 

Speak for yourself, sonny. I've been an NHL fan since 1965. I remember very well those Islander teams, those seemingly unbeatable 70's Canadiens teams and the era of the Great One In Edmonton. And yes, Detroit had a long dry spell when their team won no cups, but they have been at or near the top of the league an awful lot more than the Sabres. We just "celebrated" our 39th season without a cup. None. Not even once.

 

So here is the real question...would you take a cup win next year if it meant over then next 20 years the team would be mediocre to poor..missing the playoffs more then half of the time and maybe even going 6 or 7 years with no playoffs.

 

 

In a heartbeat.

 

I appreciate the fact that just about every year my team has a legimate shot to compete and maybe just get there..they will eventually.

 

 

The sun will burn out eventually, but we won't be around to see it.

 

yeah the leafs won some cups too about 400 years ago...since then they are putrid

 

 

But they HAVE been Stanley Cup champs. There is a very deep chasm between having won a Cup a long time ago and never winning one. And it hasn't been 400 years - the Leafs won their last Cup in 1967 - just three years before the Sabres entered the league. And who knows? The way things are playing out, Toronto may have a legitimate shot at a Cup before the Sabres do.

 

I'm very happy that we do have an NHL team here in Buffalo. I cheer for them above any other. That is exactly why I am so upset with the current management for saying they want to win a Cup, but then failing to pony up and get the pieces they need to do so. 'Nuff said.

[shrader]

To answer your question, YES!

I would, without hesitation, take a championship and let the team rot for 20 years.

I think you fail to understand something here. Some of us fans are older than the team or as old as the team itself.

With this new found knowledge, you should realize we have already waited 40 years. Your thinking is skewed to us, becuase 20 years is literally a drop in the bucket. We have already shown we have the patience to wait that long times 2.

 

You should have used 60 years, and even then, us fans who are of age, wouldn't care the least bit, we want a championship in OUR LIFETIME. I know this may actually seem a bit over dramitic for you, and I honestly don't know your age, but if you lived all 40 years of it the way other fans have, you wouldn't think the way you do.

 

I think a better option would have been to reverse the order of his scenario. 20 years of bottomfeeding and then finally winning the cup. There are some interesting influences on that decision.

 

Oh, and I have to make a minor issue about saying someone would think differently than they do if they had been around longer. No offense, but who are you or anyone else here to tell another person what they should or shouldn't think. Those kind of statements reek of the elitist thoughts that are so annoying in the sports fan world, the whole I'm a better fan than you are thing that you see with just about every fanbase.

[bunomatic]

Shrader , my apologies, i was'nt saying you are a loser because you support the sabres. I've supported this team since their inception. What I was trying to say is it's o.k. to expect more than whats been termed 'o.k.' by our management. We as fans are allowed to bitch and whine if we expect to be a contender instead of always the also ran. We as fans can hold this management team accountable for the job they are doing if we feel being average just is'nt good enough. Don't accept average, demand better. The fans of teams like Detroit and Montreal certainly do. It's because they are used to winning and they have a higher standard that they expect from their management. Why do many fans on this board feel its a bad thing to expect more from our management? After 12 years of being the also ran I expect everyone to hold this management accountable for their efforts but strangely some are happy with the job being done?

[jpgr909]

Why do many fans on this board feel its a bad thing to expect more from our management? After 12 years of being the also ran I expect everyone to hold this management accountable for their efforts but strangely some are happy with the job being done?

You must be interpreting the posts on here a lot different than me. I see very few, if any, on here who are 100% satisfied with current management. There are differing opinions on the job done thus far, but that's more in terms of degree, both on the job done this off-season, last year, the previous 12 years, etc., not in terms of satisfaction. But we haven't won a Cup, and as I read these posts and post myself, most of us see a distinct lack of serious effort this off-season in trying to obtain one. The people who ARE happy and content don't usually post on off-season hockey boards.

[jpgr909]

You must be interpreting the posts on here a lot different than me.

 

The people who ARE happy and content don't usually post on off-season hockey boards.

Oh, except for the one guy in this thread who is perfectly content. I forgot about him. Sorry!

[wonderbread]

Shrader , my apologies, i was'nt saying you are a loser because you support the sabres. I've supported this team since their inception. What I was trying to say is it's o.k. to expect more than whats been termed 'o.k.' by our management. We as fans are allowed to bitch and whine if we expect to be a contender instead of always the also ran. We as fans can hold this management team accountable for the job they are doing if we feel being average just is'nt good enough. Don't accept average, demand better. The fans of teams like Detroit and Montreal certainly do. It's because they are used to winning and they have a higher standard that they expect from their management. Why do many fans on this board feel its a bad thing to expect more from our management? After 12 years of being the also ran I expect everyone to hold this management accountable for their efforts but strangely some are happy with the job being done?

 

 

:nana:

[Ted's Hot Dogs]

scoring a goal is hard in the nhl

[TheChimp]

It is honestly getting really old hearing all you crying, oh darcy sucks, lindy sucks blah blah people.

What are you not getting the sabres over the last 5 years are top 10 in the league in wins...2 conference final appearances, since 1998 4 conference finals, 1 stanley cup appearance? where exactly is it not working.Over the last 5 years the sabes have 30 plus more wins then the canes..made the playoffs one more year then they did and had it not been for injury would have went to the cup that they won.SO do the math in a 12 year period 4 times they reached the conference finals..think about how hard the canes GM just said that was.JESUS people stop bitching you could be a leafs or Islanders fan :)Just to add to this as well...the sabres have made the playoffs 29 of 40 times...enjoy what you haveDetroit same span 23 of 40

Awesome, another person OK with not winning the Stanley Cup. Cha CHING!

[TheChimp]

So here is the real questioun...would you take a cup win next year if it meant over then next 20 years the team would be mediocre to poor..missing the playoffs more then half of the time and maybe even going 6 or 7 years with no playoffs.

IN A ###### HEARTBEAT. What a stupid question.

[static70]

I think a better option would have been to reverse the order of his scenario. 20 years of bottomfeeding and then finally winning the cup. There are some interesting influences on that decision.

 

Oh, and I have to make a minor issue about saying someone would think differently than they do if they had been around longer. No offense, but who are you or anyone else here to tell another person what they should or shouldn't think. Those kind of statements reek of the elitist thoughts that are so annoying in the sports fan world, the whole I'm a better fan than you are thing that you see with just about every fanbase.

It was a statement indicating that those that have waited that long and have remained loyal to the team have more invested in the team then younger fans over the course of time.

No offense taken, but I have waited 40 years for a Cup series victory in Buffalo, I'm a fan.

And if you took the time to note what I posted, I also stated I did not know that persons age, but as for us older fans who have been in it from the teams inception into the league, it would mean alot to us.

 

There is no "I'm a better fan than you are thing that you see with just about every fanbase" mentality in my statement, nor should it have even of been construed in that fashion.