static70 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 I was counting both based on a 23 man roster. Of course most of the time they go with 22 which would eliminate Gerbe in my opinion as well. Thats to bad really, because I love the way the kid gives it his all on the ice.
thesportsbuff Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Just an Ek rumor: The Flames are talking to the Sabres about Roy+ for Reghr... As much as I want to see Roy gone, he has been one of our most productive players over the past few years, and I don't really see Reghr (idk if thats even spelled right) as that big of an improvement.. might beat having sekera/butler on the roster, but Roy is a steep price for that.
shrader Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Why is it that everyone who's name is pronounced that way has a girl's first name? And on that note, I've been seeing it a bit lately where the wannabe comedians start referring to Darcy as Marcy. Darcy's already a girl's name you fools.
jpgr909 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Thats to bad really, because I love the way the kid gives it his all on the ice. Agree with that about Gerbe. I watched about 5-6 non-tournament games (plus all the tourney/Frozen Four games) of his while he was at BC and the guy just gets the job done. It makes me sick to see Stafford in there most every game, while Gerbe, when given the chance, plays his guts out. And with him and Ennis in the playoffs, what forwards were more impressive?
Lanny Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Just an Ek rumor: The Flames are talking to the Sabres about Roy+ for Reghr... As much as I want to see Roy gone, he has been one of our most productive players over the past few years, and I don't really see Reghr (idk if thats even spelled right) as that big of an improvement.. might beat having sekera/butler on the roster, but Roy is a steep price for that. Regehr is an underrated player for sure, but giving up Roy and more doesn't sound right.
spndnchz Posted July 9, 2010 Report Posted July 9, 2010 Agree with that about Gerbe. I watched about 5-6 non-tournament games (plus all the tourney/Frozen Four games) of his while he was at BC and the guy just gets the job done. It makes me sick to see Stafford in there most every game, while Gerbe, when given the chance, plays his guts out. And with him and Ennis in the playoffs, what forwards were more impressive? Gerbe's good, but to equate the AHL or Juniors to the NHL U have2 discount pts by at least 50%. Other teams learn ur game, after a while in the NHL he'll be owned unless he makes some changes.
jpgr909 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 Gerbe's good, but to equate the AHL or Juniors to the NHL U have2 discount pts by at least 50%. Other teams learn ur game, after a while in the NHL he'll be owned unless he makes some changes. I'm not arguing your point, but I was talking about effort, not goals/assists, though he provided all of that in last year's playoffs considering his limited games/time and compared to several other NHL vet forwards on our team. Either way, I have complete faith that Gerbe would be an effective NHLer given a fair (ie, sustained) chance.
Bullwinkle Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 I'm not arguing your point, but I was talking about effort, not goals/assists, though he provided all of that in last year's playoffs considering his limited games/time and compared to several other NHL vet forwards on our team. Either way, I have complete faith that Gerbe would be an effective NHLer given a fair (ie, sustained) chance. Gerbe HAS to give 110% on the ice or he wouldn't be on the ice at all. He has to compensate his lack of size with effort. And he does do that...however... His future in the NHL is very doubtful IMO. Because of his size vs. the size of Pronger and their ilk, I predict he'll spend more time on injured reserve than on the bench. THAT is why we should trade him ASAP - even if it's for a draft pick or two. Also...I wish I were a Flyers fan only in so far as they are making the moves to make a difference. Even if it backfires, at least it's obvious they're trying their best. Sometimes I'd prefer that to Darcy's dithering.
deluca67 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 Just FYI: Leopold and Montador played together for a few years, they may be paired together. Thanks, you just added to my list of nightmares right after my nightmare of the Sabres new banger-line of Roy-Gerbe-Ennis.
bunomatic Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 Does anyone feel confident if the season starts with this lineup? I think we've taken a step backwards if anything.
shrader Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 Agree with that about Gerbe. I watched about 5-6 non-tournament games (plus all the tourney/Frozen Four games) of his while he was at BC and the guy just gets the job done. It makes me sick to see Stafford in there most every game, while Gerbe, when given the chance, plays his guts out. And with him and Ennis in the playoffs, what forwards were more impressive? He was actually very streaky during his BC days. He'd light it up for a couple weeks stretch and then put up nothing for 4-5 games. So far, all we've seen is the downside of that streakiness at the NHL level. It's still early, but I don't think it's the best of signs.
Lanny Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 Does anyone feel confident if the season starts with this lineup? I think we've taken a step backwards if anything. I'm confident they make the playoffs with this lineup. I think they look slightly worse going into the season than they were last season when they were the 3 seed. They replaced Lydman with Leopold, which I view as a wash, and Leo has more of an offensive game and can pitch in on the PP. So the only downgrade is Tallinder to whomever of Sekera, Butler, and Weber replace him in the lineup. Ennis can probably pitch in 20 and improve the offense.
Kristian Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 I'm confident they make the playoffs with this lineup. I think they look slightly worse going into the season than they were last season when they were the 3 seed. They replaced Lydman with Leopold, which I view as a wash, and Leo has more of an offensive game and can pitch in on the PP. So the only downgrade is Tallinder to whomever of Sekera, Butler, and Weber replace him in the lineup. Ennis can probably pitch in 20 and improve the offense. Which was solely due to Miller's performance. If he has anything less than another Vezina year, we're talking 8-10th where the rest of this team belongs.
jpgr909 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 He was actually very streaky during his BC days. He'd light it up for a couple weeks stretch and then put up nothing for 4-5 games. So far, all we've seen is the downside of that streakiness at the NHL level. It's still early, but I don't think it's the best of signs. If memory serves, he was Hobey Baker runner-up. Still, I'll trust your judgment on that one since I didn't get to see him play on a consistent basis in college or at Portland, but I did watch all (or almost all) the BC games during their tourney run and he came up big when it counted. Big time. He also outscored most of the other fwds in his one or two appearances against the B's in Round 1. So compared to our other stableful of professional slackers, I'll take a little in-season streakiness if the guy shows up when it counts. Not saying I believe Gerbe is a 100 point guy or anything, but I root for the kid and I'd just like to see him get a fair shot. I mean a REAL fair shot. Not a Lindy "I lose my patience after three shifts" Ruff special. After that, if he isn't producing, he had his chance, so you tip your cap and move on to someone else. (And I'd also like to see him and Ennis rewarded for being two of the very few who actually showed up in that last playoff series, but that's just my inside voice talking.)
thesportsbuff Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 If memory serves, he was Hobey Baker runner-up. Still, I'll trust your judgment on that one since I didn't get to see him play on a consistent basis in college or at Portland, but I did watch all (or almost all) the BC games during their tourney run and he came up big when it counted. Big time. He also outscored most of the other fwds in his one or two appearances against the B's in Round 1. So compared to our other stableful of professional slackers, I'll take a little in-season streakiness if the guy shows up when it counts. Not saying I believe Gerbe is a 100 point guy or anything, but I root for the kid and I'd just like to see him get a fair shot. I mean a REAL fair shot. Not a Lindy "I lose my patience after three shifts" Ruff special. After that, if he isn't producing, he had his chance, so you tip your cap and move on to someone else. (And I'd also like to see him and Ennis rewarded for being two of the very few who actually showed up in that last playoff series, but that's just my inside voice talking.) Agreed 100%. Gerbe knows how to win, and I think he can valuable in the NHL despite his size. btw, on not signing Zherdev: http://thesportsbuff.com/?p=332
thesportsbuff Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 Also according to Vogl's article today, Lindy Ruff thinks Kassian is a ways away from being ready for the NHL. Ruff said Kassian is among those who need to keep striving. "Zack has a ways to go," Ruff said. "You have to learn from some of your disappointments. I think the incident that he had was a disappointment. He didn't play a lot of hockey last year, was suspended and missed a lot of games [20 for hitting an unsuspecting opponent], and I really feel that this is going to be an important year for him wherever he plays. These next couple months of summer are going to be important. "He was able to play on a championship team, which was good, but in his case, when you look at the talent on the ice, he has a ways to go. We know how tough he is, and we think he can be as tough as anybody when it comes to the fighting category, but we want him to be a player at the same time."
TheChimp Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 The comment about fighting seems pretty insulting to Kassian, IMO. I mean, Ruff makes it sound like Kassian wanted to do nothing but punch people out there.
carpandean Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 The comment about fighting seems pretty insulting to Kassian, IMO. I mean, Ruff makes it sound like Kassian wanted to do nothing but punch people out there. He's big and tough, which he's shown many times. He's also shown some scoring touch in juniors, but that's a long way from having a scoring touch in the NHL and for whatever reasons (injuries, suspensions, etc), it dropped off this year. I think that Lindy was basically implying that if the season started today and he were brought up, he'd basically be a fourth-liner. However, they hope to get more out of him than just a grinder. It's not so much that he only wanted to fight, but simply that fighting/toughness is the one part of his game that nobody questions, while the other parts still need work for him to be where they want him to be.
thesportsbuff Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 He's big and tough, which he's shown many times. He's also shown some scoring touch in juniors, but that's a long way from having a scoring touch in the NHL and for whatever reasons (injuries, suspensions, etc), it dropped off this year. I think that Lindy was basically implying that if the season started today and he were brought up, he'd basically be a fourth-liner. However, they hope to get more out of him than just a grinder. It's not so much that he only wanted to fight, but simply that fighting/toughness is the one part of his game that nobody questions, while the other parts still need work for him to be where they want him to be. I think Lindy was saying if the season started today, or even if the season starts in three months, he won't be brought up. There's too many ahead of him on the depth chart at this point until he makes some dramatic improvements to his HOCKEY game, not just his strength/fighting game. That's how I took Lindy's comments.
SabresneedaCup Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 id bring this dude up right now, i dont care if he gets 2 points in 82 games.
thesportsbuff Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 id bring this dude up right now, i dont care if he gets 2 points in 82 games. Would you rather him up, or Ennis? Because unless Darcy makes a trade (which we all know isn't happening), we don't have room for both of them. I think Ennis' offensive talents will help us a heck of a lot more than a rookie's perceived toughness, who, as the Vogl article mentioned, hasn't played much competitive hockey lately because of his suspension last season.
SabresneedaCup Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 Would you rather him up, or Ennis? Because unless Darcy makes a trade (which we all know isn't happening), we don't have room for both of them. I think Ennis' offensive talents will help us a heck of a lot more than a rookie's perceived toughness, who, as the Vogl article mentioned, hasn't played much competitive hockey lately because of his suspension last season. i dont know thats a tough one, we have enough small dudes who can score, how bout switchin it up and bringin a beast up? or just bring them both up id say. send goofy stafford down or cut him.
thesportsbuff Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 i dont know thats a tough one, we have enough small dudes who can score, how bout switchin it up and bringin a beast up? or just bring them both up id say. send goofy stafford down or cut him. I agree we have enough small dudes, not necessarily enough that can score though! Then again, Ennis hasn't proven he can score on a consistent basis either, so only time will tell. But even though I'd like see some toughness injected into the lineup, I'd much rather give him a few years to adjust his game than have another Andrew Peters on the ice. I think between Kaleta and McCormick we have a decent amount of toughness, not as much as we probably WANT, but enough that we should focus the rest of our roster on trying to produce as much offense as possible. edit: but as I've stated in other posts in recent days, I don't really know what Kassian brings to the table as I've never witnessed him play at any level. I only go by what I'm reading, but if Lindy Ruff thinks he needs more time, I'm leaning towards his opinion.
SabresneedaCup Posted July 10, 2010 Report Posted July 10, 2010 I agree we have enough small dudes, not necessarily enough that can score though! Then again, Ennis hasn't proven he can score on a consistent basis either, so only time will tell. But even though I'd like see some toughness injected into the lineup, I'd much rather give him a few years to adjust his game than have another Andrew Peters on the ice. I think between Kaleta and McCormick we have a decent amount of toughness, not as much as we probably WANT, but enough that we should focus the rest of our roster on trying to produce as much offense as possible. edit: but as I've stated in other posts in recent days, I don't really know what Kassian brings to the table as I've never witnessed him play at any level. I only go by what I'm reading, but if Lindy Ruff thinks he needs more time, I'm leaning towards his opinion. naw screw ruff, give kassian a shot. NOW.
Mbossy Posted July 11, 2010 Report Posted July 11, 2010 I agree we have enough small dudes, not necessarily enough that can score though! Then again, Ennis hasn't proven he can score on a consistent basis either, so only time will tell. But even though I'd like see some toughness injected into the lineup, I'd much rather give him a few years to adjust his game than have another Andrew Peters on the ice. I think between Kaleta and McCormick we have a decent amount of toughness, not as much as we probably WANT, but enough that we should focus the rest of our roster on trying to produce as much offense as possible. edit: but as I've stated in other posts in recent days, I don't really know what Kassian brings to the table as I've never witnessed him play at any level. I only go by what I'm reading, but if Lindy Ruff thinks he needs more time, I'm leaning towards his opinion. He got pts in 6 games in 10 reg season games and with 9 pts in those 10 games. He's got pts in 3 of 6 playoff games with 4 total pts. Also taking 3-5 shots a game. A bit more experience and he's DB.
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