Gagne Waives No Trade Clause

[Bullwinkle]

why dont you like the bills.

 

 

I don't have enough room on this site to go into that. Let's keep it to hockey.

[nfreeman]

I would suggest an actual trade with Anaheim, not an offer sheet. We have dead wood to trade - that others may think is useful. We all know who they are.

 

I like the offer created by Thanes and slightly altered by me: Connolly, Pomminstein, & Stafford for Ryan & a 2nd round pick

 

Makes sense for both sides IMO...provided Anaheim can handle the cap hit.

It's a great trade for the Sabres, but a terrible one for Anaheim. There is NFW they take an underachiever in Stafford, a crazily overpaid underachiever in Pommer and one year of Connolly in exchange for a young star player. BTW Pommer is making more than they are offering Ryan, so they probably would have zero interest in him.

 

For the Sabres to get Ryan you're looking at Roy, Kassian (maybe Enroth if we're lucky) and a #1.

 

 

[nucci]

RFAs can be traded. That's exactly what happened when we sent both Pyatt and Bernier to Vancouver.

Thanks. Seems a bit strange you can trade someone who is no longer under contract though.

[Lanny]

Thanks. Seems a bit strange you can trade someone who is no longer under contract though.

You're trading his rights, they then have to come to terms on the contract whether it be him accepting his qualifying offer or signing him to an extension.

[Bullwinkle]

It's a great trade for the Sabres, but a terrible one for Anaheim. There is NFW they take an underachiever in Stafford, a crazily overpaid underachiever in Pommer and one year of Connolly in exchange for a young star player. BTW Pommer is making more than they are offering Ryan, so they probably would have zero interest in him.

 

For the Sabres to get Ryan you're looking at Roy, Kassian (maybe Enroth if we're lucky) and a #1.

 

That's assuming your view of those players is the same as their's. Remember we are down on a lot of Sabres that other teams think better of.

 

Connolly is a point-per-game player. That's highly attractive since he comes at a very affordable price. Plus he has gone a season without injury.

 

Stafford was a first round pick. He hasn't panned out to date, but sometimes a change of scenery can do wonders - if Anaheim believes the essentials for excellence are there.

 

Pomminstein is a good sniper and may be a bit overpriced in their eyes, so I would gladly substitute Gerbe or Kassian for him. I don't want either of those players on my team anyway.

 

So I think with some juggling and if I'm accurate about Anaheim's appraisals, a deal could be possible.

[Eleven]

RFAs can be traded. That's exactly what happened when we sent both Pyatt and Bernier to Vancouver.

 

EDIT: This was supposed to be in reply to nucci's post, not schraiderre's.

 

 

In more detail, basically, it's this: Anaheim can trade the right to sign him to an RFA offer sheet, and that's about it right now. Should such a trade happen, the team receiving the rights would stand exactly where Anaheim does now: right to match an offer sheet, and right to receive draft picks if the sheet isn't matched. In some instances, and RFA trade makes sense (usually with role-players who aren't making much and who won't get a lot of attention.) In this instance? No. The Ducks already have said they'll match most offers, and I don't doubt it. Ryan won't be cheap, and is holding out, so it make little sense to ship a player to Anaheim--even a crappy player like Stafford--just to have the negotiation rights. Either make the offer or don't, and making it (as I suggested above) should depend on whether you think Bobby Ryan turns the Sabres into a contender. I have not opined on that.

[nfreeman]

That's assuming your view of those players is the same as their's. Remember we are down on a lot of Sabres that other teams think better of.

 

Connolly is a point-per-game player. That's highly attractive since he comes at a very affordable price. Plus he has gone a season without injury.

 

Stafford was a first round pick. He hasn't panned out to date, but sometimes a change of scenery can do wonders - if Anaheim believes the essentials for excellence are there.

 

Pomminstein is a good sniper and may be a bit overpriced in their eyes, so I would gladly substitute Gerbe or Kassian for him. I don't want either of those players on my team anyway.

 

So I think with some juggling and if I'm accurate about Anaheim's appraisals, a deal could be possible.

I agree with the bolded part and I certainly agree that I'd love to get Ryan. I'm not sure whether I'd give up Roy, Kassian and a #1 for him, but you are right that it might cost less than that, and I'd probably go for it at a lesser cost.

[Eleven]

I agree with the bolded part and I certainly agree that I'd love to get Ryan. I'm not sure whether I'd give up Roy, Kassian and a #1 for him, but you are right that it might cost less than that, and I'd probably go for it at a lesser cost.

 

 

No.

[nfreeman]

No.

I would only give up Roy, Kassian and a #1 if a contract extension for Ryan were part of the deal. Would that change your mind?

[Eleven]

I would only give up Roy, Kassian and a #1 if a contract extension for Ryan were part of the deal. Would that change your mind?

 

No, because I want Ryan and Roy on the same team. If I'm going to pay out the a$$ for Ryan (and it will take some serious coin), I want the rest of the important parts in place. Roy is one of those parts. Connolford are not, but I doubt the Mighty are interested in Connolford, anyway.

 

The only reason I would pay big bucks for Ryan is if he were the "missing link" between the current situation and a Cup. If he's not; if he's merely going to improve the team a bit, well, no. I wouldn't spend the money, and I wouldn't trade Roy.

[deluca67]

I would only give up Roy, Kassian and a #1 if a contract extension for Ryan were part of the deal. Would that change your mind?

A 23 year old 35 goal scorer who would have been second only to Kaleta in hits if he were on the Sabres? Where do I sign-up for that deal?

[FogBat]

It's a great trade for the Sabres, but a terrible one for Anaheim. There is NFW they take an underachiever in Stafford, a crazily overpaid underachiever in Pommer and one year of Connolly in exchange for a young star player. BTW Pommer is making more than they are offering Ryan, so they probably would have zero interest in him.

 

For the Sabres to get Ryan you're looking at Roy, Kassian (maybe Enroth if we're lucky) and a #1.

That seems like an awful lot to give up in order to get just one player of Ryan's caliber. BTW, has Darcy ever done any deals with Anaheim in the past?

[deluca67]

That seems like an awful lot to give up in order to get just one player of Ryan's caliber. BTW, has Darcy ever done any deals with Anaheim in the past?

A top six forward with a physical game? The last time I looked the Sabres don't have one of those. They don't become available too often so you may have to overpay. Ryan would be a great first step to revamping this team's "core" group.

[nfreeman]

A 23 year old 35 goal scorer who would have been second only to Kaleta in hits if he were on the Sabres? Where do I sign-up for that deal?

I think it's too much to give up without a contract extension. Would you make the trade without the extension?

[deluca67]

I think it's too much to give up without a contract extension. Would you make the trade without the extension?

The RFA status screws it all up. I think I might rather just give up the #1s. I could see Darcy not wanting to look like a poacher and making a deal with the Ducks.

 

If you added Connolly instead of Roy I would make the deal without a contract.

[shrader]

Thanks. Seems a bit strange you can trade someone who is no longer under contract though.

 

They trade drafted prospects all the time and they have never even had a contract. And this isn't just an NHL thing either. NFL RFAs are traded each offseason. I have no idea what happens in the NBA (and don't care either) and as far as I know, MLB doesn't have any type of RFA system.

[gregkash]

you really wanna give up Connolly and Pomminstein ryan?

 

I'm all for acquiring Ryan, but not for Pomminstein and Connolly... I'd trade one or the other, maybe an ancillary piece (Stafford or Gerbe), and maybe even I'd throw in a pick but I'm not giving up 2/3 of the top scorers on our team to pay a kid 6-7 mil a year and get half the points.

 

Food for thought..

 

Bobby Ryan 64 points

Tim Connolly 65 points

Jason Pomminstein 62 points

 

So you'd trade 127 points and picks to gain 64 points?

 

I know you guys hate Pommers and Connolly and Roy and everyone else on this team but really, you're insane.

[Eleven]

The RFA status screws it all up. I think I might rather just give up the #1s. I could see Darcy not wanting to look like a poacher and making a deal with the Ducks.

 

If you added Connolly instead of Roy I would make the deal without a contract.

 

Connolly instead of Roy, I would make the deal, too.

[SwampD]

you really wanna give up Connolly and Pomminstein ryan?

 

I'm all for acquiring Ryan, but not for Pomminstein and Connolly... I'd trade one or the other, maybe an ancillary piece (Stafford or Gerbe), and maybe even I'd throw in a pick but I'm not giving up 2/3 of the top scorers on our team to pay a kid 6-7 mil a year and get half the points.

 

Food for thought..

 

Bobby Ryan 64 points

Tim Connolly 65 points

Jason Pomminstein 62 points

 

So you'd trade 127 points and picks to gain 64 points?

 

I know you guys hate Pommers and Connolly and Roy and everyone else on this team but really, you're insane.

I don't hate Pominville and Roy,... oh, I don't hate Connolly either. I just think he's a grey cloud and must go.

 

I might add that he also plays the smallest 6'1" 200lb game in the NHL.

[shrader]

you really wanna give up Connolly and Pomminstein ryan?

 

I'm all for acquiring Ryan, but not for Pomminstein and Connolly... I'd trade one or the other, maybe an ancillary piece (Stafford or Gerbe), and maybe even I'd throw in a pick but I'm not giving up 2/3 of the top scorers on our team to pay a kid 6-7 mil a year and get half the points.

 

Food for thought..

 

Bobby Ryan 64 points

Tim Connolly 65 points

Jason Pomminstein 62 points

 

So you'd trade 127 points and picks to gain 64 points?

 

I know you guys hate Pommers and Connolly and Roy and everyone else on this team but really, you're insane.

 

I don't think that trade has a snowball's chance, but there would be one other positive from the Sabres side on that one. Connolly has one year left on his deal and then he is more than likely gone. So they would be getting a longterm return in Ryan while losing a 1 year guy.

[Robviously]

you really wanna give up Connolly and Pomminstein ryan?

 

I'm all for acquiring Ryan, but not for Pomminstein and Connolly... I'd trade one or the other, maybe an ancillary piece (Stafford or Gerbe), and maybe even I'd throw in a pick but I'm not giving up 2/3 of the top scorers on our team to pay a kid 6-7 mil a year and get half the points.

 

Food for thought..

 

Bobby Ryan 64 points

Tim Connolly 65 points

Jason Pomminstein 62 points

 

So you'd trade 127 points and picks to gain 64 points?

 

I know you guys hate Pommers and Connolly and Roy and everyone else on this team but really, you're insane.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. The Sabres have tried to build a team around Tim Connolly as the no.1 center for three seasons now and it hasn't worked. We missed the playoffs two years in a row and then Connolly was our worst player in the playoffs last season.

 

Is there anything more boring than the Sabres heading into the 2010-2011 season with the same group of underwhelming players they've had the last three seasons? Enough already. Connolly and Pominville would be a good price for Bobby Ryan. It'd clear room on the top two lines for Ennis.

[Eleven]

you really wanna give up Connolly and Pomminstein ryan?

 

I'm all for acquiring Ryan, but not for Pomminstein and Connolly... I'd trade one or the other, maybe an ancillary piece (Stafford or Gerbe), and maybe even I'd throw in a pick but I'm not giving up 2/3 of the top scorers on our team to pay a kid 6-7 mil a year and get half the points.

 

Food for thought..

 

Bobby Ryan 64 points

Tim Connolly 65 points

Jason Pomminstein 62 points

 

So you'd trade 127 points and picks to gain 64 points?

 

I know you guys hate Pommers and Connolly and Roy and everyone else on this team but really, you're insane.

 

The deal I'm thinking of involves Connolly, Kassian, and a pick; I want Ryan on the same team as Pominville and Roy.

[deluca67]

you really wanna give up Connolly and Pomminstein ryan?

 

I'm all for acquiring Ryan, but not for Pomminstein and Connolly... I'd trade one or the other, maybe an ancillary piece (Stafford or Gerbe), and maybe even I'd throw in a pick but I'm not giving up 2/3 of the top scorers on our team to pay a kid 6-7 mil a year and get half the points.

 

Food for thought..

 

Bobby Ryan 64 points

Tim Connolly 65 points

Jason Pomminstein 62 points

 

So you'd trade 127 points and picks to gain 64 points?

 

I know you guys hate Pommers and Connolly and Roy and everyone else on this team but really, you're insane.

Yes! Ryan is 23, physical and every bit the offensive player Connolly and Pominville are. The problem wouldn't be the Sabres getting value in return. The problem is that no team is going to take on that Pominville contract.

[Bullwinkle]

Yes! Ryan is 23, physical and every bit the offensive player Connolly and Pominville are. The problem wouldn't be the Sabres getting value in return. The problem is that no team is going to take on that Pominville contract.

 

I agree...plus he has potential. Connolly has already reached his.

 

I'd substitute Gerbe/Kassian for Pomminstein if that would make the deal work.

[deluca67]

I agree...plus he has potential. Connolly has already reached his.

I'd substitute Gerbe/Kassian for Pomminstein if that would make the deal work.

He is also a kid I can see wearing the 'C' someday.