Ryan Miller

[SDS]

Which words? The psychobabble attack on Miller? Really?

 

I was being sarcastic because the original post was so beautifully crafted.

[Stoner]

your complaint was that he lets in a goal with 2 minutes to go when we're up 3-0....

 

OH NO!

 

Did he get the win? Yeah. What are you more concerned with, his SO numbers or the Sabres winning?

 

and one more thing, what were you hoping to get in return for Ryan Miller?

 

It wasn't a star player was it? I mean, why would someone trade a star player for a goalie that's a dbag and isn't even that good right? I say we trade Miller for Hartnell and a conditional 5th round pick. I know, we might have to sweeten the pot, Myers should do it.

 

But losing a lot of shutouts late does show how he performs under pressure. Those pucks leak in. So did three in Game 7 in Carolina in the third period. So did Crosby's shootout goal. So did Alfie's pretty harmless shot in an elimination game. So did some big goals against Boston. So did Crosby's shot in the Olympics.

 

The guy is leaky under pressure. Like my bladder.

[static70]

Ryan Miller has done his job, and done it well here in Buffalo.

With that said though, I would move Miller for a hefty price.

We could always sign Biron (who I always thought was a decent goalie) and bring Enroth up as a backup.

 

Just hypothetical, but if Miller were moved, it would be for a rather large package with some front end superstar talent included.

[Stoner]

Ryan Miller has done his job, and done it well here in Buffalo.

With that said though, I would move Miller for a hefty price.

We could always sign Biron (who I always thought was a decent goalie) and bring Enroth up as a backup.

 

Just hypothetical, but if Miller were moved, it would be for a rather large package with some front end superstar talent included.

 

Let us not toy with Roysie's emotions so early in the day.

 

Yes, it's the joke that keeps on giving.

[static70]

Let us not toy with Roysie's emotions so early in the day.

 

Yes, it's the joke that keeps on giving.

Touche' :beer:

[SabresneedaCup]

your complaint was that he lets in a goal with 2 minutes to go when we're up 3-0....

 

OH NO!

 

Did he get the win? Yeah. What are you more concerned with, his SO numbers or the Sabres winning?

 

and one more thing, what were you hoping to get in return for Ryan Miller?

 

It wasn't a star player was it? I mean, why would someone trade a star player for a goalie that's a dbag and isn't even that good right? I say we trade Miller for Hartnell and a conditional 5th round pick. I know, we might have to sweeten the pot, Myers should do it.

dude i never said he wasnt that good, i said hes overrated. and he lets garbage goals in all the time it just seems to happen towards the end of the game. we could get somebody whos great in return cause everybody overrates him.

[SabresneedaCup]

I've met Ryan a few times, once at a signing which really doesn't count, and twice out and about randomly. He's always been very nice, easy to talk to, and in no way an arrogant a-hole.

 

Look I don't know what he did to you but clearly you're trying to justify a personal vendetta with a couple of dated and simply wrong points. 05-06 he was a rookie... see the idea is you get better as time goes on, which he has done... statistically and literally. Ten eventaully you get old and slow down and have to retire... someone cue up "Circle of Life" from the Lion King for me. They won the division on his back this year... the few times (because, um, they won a lot) they blew a 2 goal lead... OK maybe he could have stopped them... maybe his team gave up on him. Maybe both happened last season. It's 82 games dude... if you based his entire career on the few times that actually happened last year then I don't know what to tell you... because that's dumb.

 

I'm not saying no one should talk about trading him... I did before but I have to admit there's validity to the idea that you don't need the best goalie anymore to win a cup, just a good one. You're just attacking him though, for really no reason. He speask his mind in the locker room... thank God someone does. I mean if we want to talk about character then let's talk about the good old boys club headed by Derek Roy who spends more time on Chippewa then in the film room and coasted through the 1st round of the playoffs. Let's talk about Tim Connonley under achieving. ######, let's talk about Vanek not living up to expectations until at the very end of the season he finally got his crap together.

 

Again... why do we seem to point the blame at the goalie when all the goalie did was play an unreasonable amount of games during the season and put up Hasek like stats? He only started for Team USA and, provided a fluke doesn't happen, will win the Vezina. What more could you ever ask for from one player? You want to trade him for a top player because of a difference of philosophy.. OK sure. You want to get rid of him because you think he's a dick and Biron outplayed him 5 years ago... yeah...

i think biron got pushed aside for miller and i dont know why. biron always seemed better to me. and if your gonna say i have a personal vendetta against him then you do to for knockin roy, connolly and vanek. also i dont like miller cause he lets in alot of stupid goals he overcommits on shots its not just his personality.

[SabresneedaCup]

But losing a lot of shutouts late does show how he performs under pressure. Those pucks leak in. So did three in Game 7 in Carolina in the third period. So did Crosby's shootout goal. So did Alfie's pretty harmless shot in an elimination game. So did some big goals against Boston. So did Crosby's shot in the Olympics.

 

The guy is leaky under pressure. Like my bladder.

i agree

[apuszczalowski]

But losing a lot of shutouts late does show how he performs under pressure. Those pucks leak in. So did three in Game 7 in Carolina in the third period. So did Crosby's shootout goal. So did Alfie's pretty harmless shot in an elimination game. So did some big goals against Boston. So did Crosby's shot in the Olympics.

 

The guy is leaky under pressure. Like my bladder.

You are right, cause no good goalie ever lets in goals in critical situations

 

Seriously, this board keeps getting dumber and dumber. We all know the best way to get a cup is to deal your best players and reward the bad ones, Regier will probably have to dump Miller so he can re-sign Stafford and Connolly to extensions

[blugold43]

You are right, cause no good goalie ever lets in goals in critical situations

 

Seriously, this board keeps getting dumber and dumber. We all know the best way to get a cup is to deal your best players and reward the bad ones, Regier will probably have to dump Miller so he can re-sign Stafford and Connolly to extensions

not only are you right, but the premise of this thread is so completely stupid that i can't believe i'm even jumping in. this franchise has ONE world-class player on it and every GM in the league knows who it is. to dredge up various mistakes from 3-4 years ago and use those as evidence of anything shows how pathetic the argument is. 3 goals in the third pd vs. carolina? really? with 4 out of 6 defensemen dredged up from the minors that night? that's why he's no good?

 

and i love biron, but COME ON...

[SabresneedaCup]

You are right, cause no good goalie ever lets in goals in critical situations

 

Seriously, this board keeps getting dumber and dumber. We all know the best way to get a cup is to deal your best players and reward the bad ones, Regier will probably have to dump Miller so he can re-sign Stafford and Connolly to extensions

why do you think miller is so good then?

[SabresneedaCup]

not only are you right, but the premise of this thread is so completely stupid that i can't believe i'm even jumping in. this franchise has ONE world-class player on it and every GM in the league knows who it is. to dredge up various mistakes from 3-4 years ago and use those as evidence of anything shows how pathetic the argument is. 3 goals in the third pd vs. carolina? really? with 4 out of 6 defensemen dredged up from the minors that night? that's why he's no good?

 

and i love biron, but COME ON...

miller may be better than biron now, but he certainly wasnt a few years ago, go look uo the stats from before the lockout and from 05 06

[shrader]

miller may be better than biron now, but he certainly wasnt a few years ago, go look uo the stats from before the lockout and from 05 06

 

So you want to go back to before the lockout when Miller wasn't a full time NHLer yet? Why not go back to when he was still at Michigan State while you're at it? Look, I'm probably one of the biggest Biron fans on this entire board, but to say he is/was the better goalie is foolish. The 29 other teams would have made the same exact choice Buffalo did. It was a no brainer. And even if you're right that he was better then, you've already said that Miller is better now. So why does the past comparison mean a thing at this point?

[Stoner]

not only are you right, but the premise of this thread is so completely stupid that i can't believe i'm even jumping in. this franchise has ONE world-class player on it and every GM in the league knows who it is. to dredge up various mistakes from 3-4 years ago and use those as evidence of anything shows how pathetic the argument is. 3 goals in the third pd vs. carolina? really? with 4 out of 6 defensemen dredged up from the minors that night? that's why he's no good?

 

and i love biron, but COME ON...

 

I believe my examples spanned each of the past five years.

[apuszczalowski]

miller may be better than biron now, but he certainly wasnt a few years ago, go look uo the stats from before the lockout and from 05 06

You are right, thats why Biron is going onto possibly his 4th team in 3 years, and Miller just finished playing for the US in the olympics. You are trying to say that Biron should still be the starter or Miller isn't good cause Millers stats in his first couple seasons weren't better then Birons?

 

Give it up troll, Miller outplayed Biron and thats why he became expendable. The last couple years Miller has been getting better and better, and yet the fans can't appreciate what they have. Maybe its because Buffalo fans are used to mediocrity and want to keep it that way? Miller carried the US to a win over Canada in the first game at the olympics, an almost single handedly won the gold medal for the US. He outplayed Brodeur and Loungo, and was even named the tournament MVP at the Olympics playing on the silver medal team. ust be guys like Roy, Connolly, Vanek and S6tafford that carried the Sabres to the playoffs this year

 

I used to think that the GM spot couldn't get any worse then Regier, but I now realise I am wrong, one of you guys could be the GM.

[ko12010]

post actual words as to why you disagree.

 

 

He's trying to convey that to try and respond with a long paragraph about why it's good to have someone like Ryan Miller on the team is in fact a wasted of time to someone like you, who is obviously not watching the same Sabres team as everyone else.

 

It's going to be a long offseason for you if your this bored already to post something this dumb.

[SabresneedaCup]

So you want to go back to before the lockout when Miller wasn't a full time NHLer yet? Why not go back to when he was still at Michigan State while you're at it? Look, I'm probably one of the biggest Biron fans on this entire board, but to say he is/was the better goalie is foolish. The 29 other teams would have made the same exact choice Buffalo did. It was a no brainer. And even if you're right that he was better then, you've already said that Miller is better now. So why does the past comparison mean a thing at this point?

im sying compare birons stats before the lockout and millers years after the lockout, biron was better. and why was it a no brainer to keep miller? i think if anything when biron got traded him and miller where equal and i think they decided to trade him because miller was younger.

[SabresneedaCup]

You are right, thats why Biron is going onto possibly his 4th team in 3 years, and Miller just finished playing for the US in the olympics. You are trying to say that Biron should still be the starter or Miller isn't good cause Millers stats in his first couple seasons weren't better then Birons?

 

Give it up troll, Miller outplayed Biron and thats why he became expendable. The last couple years Miller has been getting better and better, and yet the fans can't appreciate what they have. Maybe its because Buffalo fans are used to mediocrity and want to keep it that way? Miller carried the US to a win over Canada in the first game at the olympics, an almost single handedly won the gold medal for the US. He outplayed Brodeur and Loungo, and was even named the tournament MVP at the Olympics playing on the silver medal team. ust be guys like Roy, Connolly, Vanek and S6tafford that carried the Sabres to the playoffs this year

 

I used to think that the GM spot couldn't get any worse then Regier, but I now realise I am wrong, one of you guys could be the GM.

troll? miller never outplayed biron when they were both here, for some reason they decided to always start miller and it didnt make sense. biron won 14 games in a row when miller got hurt in 05 06 and yet they benched him as soon as miller returned.

[deluca67]

You are right, thats why Biron is going onto possibly his 4th team in 3 years, and Miller just finished playing for the US in the olympics. You are trying to say that Biron should still be the starter or Miller isn't good cause Millers stats in his first couple seasons weren't better then Birons?

 

Give it up troll, Miller outplayed Biron and thats why he became expendable. The last couple years Miller has been getting better and better, and yet the fans can't appreciate what they have. Maybe its because Buffalo fans are used to mediocrity and want to keep it that way? Miller carried the US to a win over Canada in the first game at the olympics, an almost single handedly won the gold medal for the US. He outplayed Brodeur and Loungo, and was even named the tournament MVP at the Olympics playing on the silver medal team. ust be guys like Roy, Connolly, Vanek and S6tafford that carried the Sabres to the playoffs this year

 

I used to think that the GM spot couldn't get any worse then Regier, but I now realise I am wrong, one of you guys could be the GM.

Bull$hit! Give me the reigns and two seasons and I'll have a Stanley Cup banner hanging at the HSBC. One season to slash and burn the roster and two off-seasons to build it up to a Championship level. You'll need to hurry, Reiger is wasting my time as GM doing nothing.

[SabresneedaCup]

He's trying to convey that to try and respond with a long paragraph about why it's good to have someone like Ryan Miller on the team is in fact a wasted of time to someone like you, who is obviously not watching the same Sabres team as everyone else.

 

It's going to be a long offseason for you if your this bored already to post something this dumb.

thanks for saying nothing.

[deluca67]

troll? miller never outplayed biron when they were both here, for some reason they decided to always start miller and it didnt make sense. biron won 14 games in a row when miller got hurt in 05 06 and yet they benched him as soon as miller returned.

You have to wonder if Biron was a Regier draft pick if he would have been given more of a opporntunity? I think Biron holds a few of the longest shutout streaks in Sabres history.

[static70]

You are right, cause no good goalie ever lets in goals in critical situations

 

Seriously, this board keeps getting dumber and dumber. We all know the best way to get a cup is to deal your best players and reward the bad ones, Regier will probably have to dump Miller so he can re-sign Stafford and Connolly to extensions

I won't be a nay sayer to your response, and I do agree, Miller is the Sabres best player. But, as I have stated in the past, I will hold true to my views, Ryan Miller is expandable, and with his stock so high following this season, he is very expendable. A star goalie with no real supporting offensive cast does not make a Stanley Cup Champion. We've already experienced this with Hasek, must we doom ourselves to repeat history for player loyalty?

[shrader]

im sying compare birons stats before the lockout and millers years after the lockout, biron was better. and why was it a no brainer to keep miller? i think if anything when biron got traded him and miller where equal and i think they decided to trade him because miller was younger.

 

Comparing pre- and post-lockout stats is a questionable move, but I'll play your game. Here are the 3 years pre-lockout for Biron and 3 years post-lockout for Miller:

 

Biron:

31-28-10, 0.222 GAA, 0.915 S%

17-28-6, 2.56, 0.908

26-18-5, 2.52, 0.913

 

Miller:

40-16-6, 2.73, 0.911

36-27-10, 2.64, 0.906

34-18-6, 2.53, 0.918

 

And then there's that one year where you claimed that Biron out played Miller, 2006-2007, Miller's 2.73, 0.911 to Biron's 3.04, 0.899. The numbers are up for debate, but they don't strongly back what you're suggesting.

[SabresneedaCup]

Comparing pre- and post-lockout stats is a questionable move, but I'll play your game. Here are the 3 years pre-lockout for Biron and 3 years post-lockout for Miller:

 

Biron:

31-28-10, 0.222 GAA, 0.915 S%

17-28-6, 2.56, 0.908

26-18-5, 2.52, 0.913

 

Miller:

40-16-6, 2.73, 0.911

36-27-10, 2.64, 0.906

34-18-6, 2.53, 0.918

 

And then there's that one year where you claimed that Biron out played Miller, 2006-2007, Miller's 2.73, 0.911 to Biron's 3.04, 0.899. The numbers are up for debate, but they don't strongly back what you're suggesting.

i never said biron out played miller in 06 07

[blugold43]

I believe my examples spanned each of the past five years.

you can cherry pick your examples from the thousands and thousands of stops he's made over the past 5 years if you want. the crappy line up regier puts in front of him every year means he has to carry the team on his back, and that is not debatable. the guy is an elite goaltender and there is no reason to consider moving him.

 

typical buffalo fans...always looking to run our best players out of town because they're not perfect. briere must be thanking god every day.

 

this thread is an embarrassment.