Edmonton Trade Partners...

[BamBam]

Richard Cloutier has a blog on hockeybuzz.com and ranked the possible trade possibilities with the oilers. Buffalo ranked 27th and here is what he said...

 

27. Buffalo Sabers - The Sabers/Lowe feud is almost as bad as the Lowe/Burke feud. The big difference in terms of the potential for a deal occurring is that the Sabers are close to being a cup winner, and Toronto is…The one player I think Buffalo would be willing to move to Edmonton is the player Kevin Lowe tried to buy; Thomas Vanek. Buffalo fans in particular are disappointed in Vanek, who they feel should produce more for his $7mil+ salary. He plays on the left side, which means the Oilers would most likely offer Dustin Penner, a forward like Andrew Cogilano, and maybe a draft pick in return.

 

Richard Cloutier's Article on Hockeybuzz.com

[shrader]

The feud with Kevin Lowe? We made a deal with him just last year. People need to stop making stuff up.

[inkman]

I'd take those two and a pick for Vanek. Toughness and depth, something they are sorely lacking.

[deluca67]

I'd take those two and a pick for Vanek. Toughness and depth, something they are sorely lacking.

Not sure if it frees up enough money to further improve the situation's at center and the blue-line. I see Cogliano listed as a RFA after making $1.3 last season.

[static70]

To Edmonton

Ryan Miller

Drew Stafford

 

To Buffalo

Dustin Penner

Nikolai Khabibulin

Edmonton 1st rd draft picks 2010 and 2011

Edmonton 3rd rd draft pick 2010

 

Fair Value?

[SabresneedaCup]

get hemsky somehow.

[carpandean]

Edmonton 1st rd draft picks 2010

You mean Taylor Hall (or Tyler Sequin)? It's the #1 overall pick; you get who you want.

[pat989]

To Edmonton

Ryan Miller

Drew Stafford

 

To Buffalo

Dustin Penner

Nikolai Khabibulin

Edmonton 1st rd draft picks 2010 and 2011

Edmonton 3rd rd draft pick 2010

 

Fair Value?

 

No it really isn't... Penner has a lot of upside but Khabibulin is... kinda done. I mean his stats were right there with Lalime last year. We could assume that you're thinking we bring up Enroth... OK I get that, but in terms of the value of this trade I say it's not fair. Ryan Miller is arguably the best goalie in the game. It's a lot of draft picks and a 1 time 30 goal scorer your getting back for him... and that would be great if we were re-building, but we're not. We need to swap finesse for toughness in a few spots, not blow it up by getting rid of the franchise player and receiving more draft picks... we have more than enough kids we're working on right now, we need to trade some of them.

[static70]

No it really isn't... Penner has a lot of upside but Khabibulin is... kinda done. I mean his stats were right there with Lalime last year. We could assume that you're thinking we bring up Enroth... OK I get that, but in terms of the value of this trade I say it's not fair. Ryan Miller is arguably the best goalie in the game. It's a lot of draft picks and a 1 time 30 goal scorer your getting back for him... and that would be great if we were re-building, but we're not. We need to swap finesse for toughness in a few spots, not blow it up by getting rid of the franchise player and receiving more draft picks... we have more than enough kids we're working on right now, we need to trade some of them.

Very good, and I hear ya.

I was thinking of that 1st pick overall this year and after reading all of the posts, including yours to this, I tend to agree, Miller could get more.

[korab rules]

Very good, and I hear ya.

I was thinking of that 1st pick overall this year and after reading all of the posts, including yours to this, I tend to agree, Miller could get more.

This is actually very tempting! Don't forget, the 2011 1st round pick is almost guaranteed to be a lottery pick as well. But yeah, Hemsky needs to be in the deal as well. And stafford gets to be reunited with his uncle and mentor in his future career - equipment manager.

[static70]

This is actually very tempting! Don't forget, the 2011 1st round pick is almost guaranteed to be a lottery pick as well. But yeah, Hemsky needs to be in the deal as well. And stafford gets to be reunited with his uncle and mentor in his future career - equipment manager.

Just out of curiousity, what was the injury Hemsky sustained this past season and what is the projected outlook for his career due to that injury? The reason I ask is would he be the same speedy player after he heals?

And if it is a good to go injury recovery, would something like this look good?

 

To Edmonton

Drew Stafford

Ryan Miller

Andrej Sekera

 

To Buffalo

Ales Hemsky

1st rd pick 2010 and 2011

3rd rd pick 2010

 

Is there fair value here?

[korab rules]

Just out of curiousity, what was the injury Hemsky sustained this past season and what is the projected outlook for his career due to that injury? The reason I ask is would he be the same speedy player after he heals?

And if it is a good to go injury recovery, would something like this look good?

 

To Edmonton

Drew Stafford

Ryan Miller

Andrej Sekera

 

To Buffalo

Ales Hemsky

1st rd pick 2010 and 2011

3rd rd pick 2010

 

Is there fair value here?

 

No!!! Hemsky AND Penner.

 

Hemsky had shoulder surgery for a torn labrum - and in researching the injury, I learned that Stafford's uncle was fired from Edmonton. Oh No! what will we ever do without this story line every time we play Edmonton???

[carpandean]

No!!! Hemsky AND Penner.

So, Hemsky, Penner, and Hall/Sequin? You think Edmonton is going to give up their two best forwards and a potential future star for Miller? If so, do it! Draft Sequin because he's a center, then trade Connolly and whatever for a decent goaltender.

[tom webster]

To Edmonton

Ryan Miller

Drew Stafford

 

To Buffalo

Dustin Penner

Nikolai Khabibulin

Edmonton 1st rd draft picks 2010 and 2011

Edmonton 3rd rd draft pick 2010

 

Fair Value?

 

 

 

How do I type shaking my head back and forth and smiling the way a father does when his son does the same thing over and over again?

[static70]

You mean Taylor Hall (or Tyler Sequin)? It's the #1 overall pick; you get who you want.

Yes, it is the overall number 1 pick. 2011 however, most likely will not be if you have Miller as your goalie.

So, a first overall, (and I'll estimate 2011) a roughly 12 to 23 overall in 2011, the 3rd rd pick in 2010 and Dustin Penner for Drew Stafford and Ryan Miller. It may not be equally fair value. I would imagine I'd be in the ballpark though. Edmonton could very well be competitive again within 2 seasons with FA signings and maybe some further trades.

 

Just trying to look at it from both teams situations. I don't believe Hemsky, Penner and 2011 first round pick can go for Miller. Penner had one stand out season, some there is some risk associated with him. But the 2 first rounders are what I would consider solid fair value for Miller.

[korab rules]

So, Hemsky, Penner, and Hall/Sequin? You think Edmonton is going to give up their two best forwards and a potential future star for Miller? If so, do it! Draft Sequin because he's a center, then trade Connolly and whatever for a decent goaltender.

 

Don't forget the 2011 pick which would also likely be a lottery pick.

 

I definitely make this trade. Our top six are instantly markedly better. They have to take salary back, though, so give them connolly and someone else, gerbe, pommers, whoever.

[korab rules]

Yes, it is the overall number 1 pick. 2011 however, most likely will not be if you have Miller as your goalie.

So, a first overall, (and I'll estimate 2011) a roughly 12 to 23 overall in 2011, the 3rd rd pick in 2010 and Dustin Penner for Drew Stafford and Ryan Miller. It may not be equally fair value. I would imagine I'd be in the ballpark though. Edmonton could very well be competitive again within 2 seasons with FA signings and maybe some further trades.

 

Just trying to look at it from both teams situations. I don't believe Hemsky, Penner and 2011 first round pick can go for Miller. Penner had one stand out season, some there is some risk associated with him. But the 2 first rounders are what I would consider solid fair value for Miller.

 

I disagree - 2 first rounders re fair value for a top 2 or 3 goalie in the league? I want what you are smoking.

 

Stafford is a throw in and to shed salary. Edmonton is giving up 2 roster players, so they will need bodies in return. I say don't stop at stafford, send them another over paid forward. Connolly? Gaustad? Pommers? Hecht gets a reprieve this year.

 

And I think that 2011 pick will turn out to be a lottery pick, though Edmonton likely won't believe it is.

[nfreeman]

While this thread isn't quite as silly as the Malkin, Staal and Kane threads, I will note for the record that there is NFW the Sabres are trading Miller, and NFW the Oilers are trading their #1 pick (except to Boston for the #2 pick).

[korab rules]

While this thread isn't quite as silly as the Malkin, Staal and Kane threads, I will note for the record that there is NFW the Sabres are trading Miller, and NFW the Oilers are trading their #1 pick (except to Boston for the #2 pick).

 

I know, but it's easier to talk about us trading our superstar than to think some other team might shed their superstar. Like Staal, Miller is our franchise player. Penner and Hemsky are not franchise players. The No 1 pick may be a franchise player. He could turn out to be the next Crosby, or he could be Kane.

 

You rightly, I think, say Carolina wouldn't take 1/2 our roster for Staal. Well, Miller is our Staal. What would you take for him?

 

Unfortunately, you are probably correct on both your NFW's.

[Stoner]

Although I've from time to time beaten the "trade Miller while his value is high" drum, the cynical part of me suspects that every GM in the league sees Miller pretty much the way I see him. Hence, his value may not be all that high.

[static70]

In all honesty, I love dreaming about bringing in a star player, such as Staal, or the number 1 pick overall.

But, I will submit, I believe the following players won't be in a Sabres uniform next season.

 

Tallinder

Lydman

Roy

Stafford

Ellis

Butler

 

I don't think Tallinder or Lydman get resigned.

I believe Stafford and Roy get traded.

 

I see the team adding Weber to the D corp and trading for Kaberle.

My main questions center around a #1 center (Marleau or Lombardi in FA?) and a #1 RWer (Horton or Backes in a trade on draft day?) to work with Vanek. There is also the line 3 center (Gerbe or Ennis internally, Cullen in FA?)

[nfreeman]

You rightly, I think, say Carolina wouldn't take 1/2 our roster for Staal. Well, Miller is our Staal. What would you take for him?

I wouldn't trade Miller for anything less than a true star with leadership qualities and plenty of miles left on his odometer -- ie I would do it for Nash or Staal (I won't bother mentioning Crosby or Ovechkin as these go without saying), but not Spezza or Heatley. In other words, not for anything less than the kind of player that there is NFW would be traded by his current team.

 

Although I've from time to time beaten the "trade Miller while his value is high" drum, the cynical part of me suspects that every GM in the league sees Miller pretty much the way I see him. Hence, his value may not be all that high.

I'm confident the Sabres could get quite a bit for Miller, but not the kind of player mentioned above, which to me is the only kind of player worth trading him for. To your point, though, I'd guess the value attributed to goalies generally by NHL GMs is probably down a bit right now in light of the recent SCF.

[korab rules]

Although I've from time to time beaten the "trade Miller while his value is high" drum, the cynical part of me suspects that every GM in the league sees Miller pretty much the way I see him. Hence, his value may not be all that high.

 

I think they see him as a top 2 or 3 goalie in the league with a really ###### team in front of him, christ, he almost won the US the gold medal single handedly!. I think they see him as the missing piece that will win their team the cup. I think they would line up around the corner for the opportunity to present their proposed trade package, as they believe they can get the best of Darcy, and they are probably right.

[Chief Enabler]

Although I've from time to time beaten the "trade Miller while his value is high" drum, the cynical part of me suspects that every GM in the league sees Miller pretty much the way I see him. Hence, his value may not be all that high.

In retrospect to the thread; forget EDM; trade Miller right now to Detroit for their future; get Howard and their drafts, etc. Franzen too? Go big or go home....

[deluca67]

I know, but it's easier to talk about us trading our superstar than to think some other team might shed their superstar. Like Staal, Miller is our franchise player. Penner and Hemsky are not franchise players. The No 1 pick may be a franchise player. He could turn out to be the next Crosby, or he could be Kane.

 

You rightly, I think, say Carolina wouldn't take 1/2 our roster for Staal. Well, Miller is our Staal. What would you take for him?

 

Unfortunately, you are probably correct on both your NFW's.

What is the value of a franchise player when that franchise is not a Cup contender? The idea that any player on the Sabres is untouchable is simply asinine.