static70 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I just do not care about the nay sayers any more. I firmly believe the Buffalo Sabres should bring in Eric Staal through what ever trade is necessary. In my opinion, Staal has all of the desired skills needed in order for Vanek to notch up his production. If we have to give up the farm, then so be it. I am looking for what possible scenairios would bring him in, what type of packages, even at over payment?
SteamRoller72 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I would love to have Staal... Problem is it would take something along the lines of Ennis or Roy, plus at least one first round pick and another prospect/draft pick.
Lanny Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I would love to have Staal... Problem is it would take something along the lines of Ennis or Roy, plus at least one first round pick and another prospect/draft pick. Ennis and Roy to go with the package you mentioned would not get it done. Franchise players don't grow on trees and trading one for an unproven prospect, a second line center, and a late first round pick isn't close. No matter what any trade for a player of Staal's ilk would start with Myers and go from there. And you should change the thread title.
deluca67 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I just do not care about the nay sayers any more. I firmly believe the Buffalo Sabres should bring in Eric Staal through what ever trade is necessary. In my opinion, Staal has all of the desired skills needed in order for Vanek to notch up his production. If we have to give up the farm, then so be it. I am looking for what possible scenairios would bring him in, what type of packages, even at over payment? The problem is that the Sabres and many of the fans are too small minded to even comprehend a move you like you are proposing. Staal, Getzlaf, Kovi, Lecavalier and every other quality player, free agent or not, should be targets of this franchise. Unfortunately we have a GM that prefers to dumpster dive instead of thinking big and making a impact.
FogBat Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Ennis and Roy to go with the package you mentioned would not get it done. Franchise players don't grow on trees and trading one for an unproven prospect, a second line center, and a late first round pick isn't close. No matter what any trade for a player of Staal's ilk would start with Myers and go from there. And you should change the thread title. No kidding! Here I am thinking that DR was able to acquire him and it was a done deal. If this thread had been started on April the 1st, then I would have known that it was a ruse. The thread title suggested that this was a sure thing. Given Eric Staal's playing ability, I find it hard to believe that the FO would really go after him. After all, DR bears somewhat of a resemblance to Merv Griffin - including the mediocrity factor.
deluca67 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I would love to have Staal... Problem is it would take something along the lines of Ennis or Roy, plus at least one first round pick and another prospect/draft pick. Why is that a problem?
bunomatic Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 DeLuca, the comment about dumpster diving was spot on. Regier prefers to shop at value village when he should be shopping at winners. I've generally supported Regier in the past but my patience has run out. We need an 'A' type personality with some blood in his veins that is'nt afraid to go after it. I want a cup. The rebuilding can happen after the cup. Rebuilding should'nt be perpetual. It's been 40 friggin years too long.
deluca67 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 DeLuca, the comment about dumpster diving was spot on. Regier prefers to shop at value village when he should be shopping at winners. I've generally supported Regier in the past but my patience has run out. We need an 'A' type personality with some blood in his veins that is'nt afraid to go after it. I want a cup. The rebuilding can happen after the cup. Rebuilding should'nt be perpetual. It's been 40 friggin years too long. You will never learn how to win if you are too afraid to make a mistake. Regier is too afraid to make that mistake. I'll put that right on the Peca fiasco. I think he was so beaten down by fans because of that he is afraid to make a deal that would be equal to sticking his neck out. He keeps his head safely buried in the sand.
nfreeman Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Oh goody. Another ridiculous thread. Why stop at Staal? Why not Crosby or Ovechkin? Why not all 3 of them? Get a grip.
FogBat Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 DeLuca, the comment about dumpster diving was spot on. Regier prefers to shop at value village when he should be shopping at winners. I've generally supported Regier in the past but 1, my patience has run out. 2, We need an 'A' type personality with some blood in his veins that is'nt afraid to go after it. 3, I want a cup. The rebuilding can happen after the cup. 4, Rebuilding should'nt be perpetual. It's been 40 friggin years too long. 1, That goes for at least 95 % of Sabres fans. 2, True. He's no Brian Burke nor Kevin Lowe. Given that he was a "cup of coffee" hockey player in his day, I am growing increasingly skeptical that he has ever broken out of that mold. It's like the kid who's told that he'll amount to nothing, and he lives up to that. 3, Who in their right mind doesn't want the Stanley Cup? 4, True, but we're not the only ones in that predicament. Since Chicago won the Stanley Cup, the Maple Leafs now hold the distinction of going the longest without a title. Let's not forget St. Louis, the LA Kings, and the Vancouver Canucks.
deluca67 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Oh goody. Another ridiculous thread. Why stop at Staal? Why not Crosby or Ovechkin? Why not all 3 of them? Get a grip. I'll ask you the same question. Why stop at Stall? Staal is not Crosby or Ovechkin. Are you so beaten down by Status Quo that the idea of the Sabres making a actual hockey trade is so offensive? Why is it so wrong for fans to want to talk about the Sabres acquiring a actual hockey player. It takes some of us a lot more than a Steve Montador to get our hockey sticks rigid.
SabresIndy Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I completely agree 1) that Buffalo needs to make a splash to get to Cup contender status and 2) that Darcy will always look for the "value" trade, which is based on his value of players such as Connolly. I've always loved Staal's game and he would push everyone on the team to be better, but it would be of huge benefit to Vanek. I'd be fine with giving up a lot for him. And, knowing that Miller is one of the league's top goalies...the clock is ticking and the time is now to strike.
static70 Posted June 12, 2010 Author Report Posted June 12, 2010 I have no doubt Carolina would deal Staal if the right package were assembled. My package would be hefty, but fair in value. To Buf Eric Staal To Car Derek Roy Drew Stafford Nathan Gerbe/Tim Kennedy Andrej Sekera/Chris Butler Zack Kassian/Luke Adam 1st rd pick 2010 2nd rd pick 2011 If thats what it takes, do it. We need a Young Stud center, Carolina needs a team to replace their aging roster.
BetweenThePipes00 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Oh goody. Another ridiculous thread. Why stop at Staal? Why not Crosby or Ovechkin? Why not all 3 of them? Get a grip. Exactly. I'll ask you the same question. Why stop at Stall? Staal is not Crosby or Ovechkin. Are you so beaten down by Status Quo that the idea of the Sabres making a actual hockey trade is so offensive? Why is it so wrong for fans to want to talk about the Sabres acquiring a actual hockey player. It takes some of us a lot more than a Steve Montador to get our hockey sticks rigid. No one is offended by the idea of Eric Staal. I am sure we would all love to have him. I agree with static that he would be great for Vanek and would help in every way. The problem is Carolina is not trading him, not for any realistic combination of players/picks the Sabres have to offer. If the Sabres suck so badly and are too small and all that, what the ###### would Carolina want with Ennis and Roy? The Sabres could offer Myers and Miller for Staal and Ward and I am not even sure they would do it. I suppose they might, but it's not at all realistic. It's so easy to say "give away the farm," but you're not giving it away, you are asking for the other team to give you their franchise player. I totally agree the Sabres need to make some "actual hockey trades," (and that DR is unlikely to make enough to satisfy us), but Carolina is not in such a bad place that they are desperate to shake things up and trade the face of their franchise. They were actually really good down the stretch last season. There are plenty of more realistic possibilities, starting with Patrick Sharp in Chicago, maybe. (He's not Staal, but he's better than anything the Sabres have and the Hawks need to shed salary.)
BetweenThePipes00 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I have no doubt Carolina would deal Staal if the right package were assembled. My package would be hefty, but fair in value. To Buf Eric Staal To Car Derek Roy Drew Stafford Nathan Gerbe/Tim Kennedy Andrej Sekera/Chris Butler Zack Kassian/Luke Adam 1st rd pick 2010 2nd rd pick 2011 If thats what it takes, do it. We need a Young Stud center, Carolina needs a team to replace their aging roster. Their aging roster went 25-14-3 after Jan. 1 while the Sabres went 21-16-6 ... so explain again why they want all those little parts while giving up their best player? I don't think they need to trade Staal to anyone to get a little younger. They are just not that desperate.
static70 Posted June 12, 2010 Author Report Posted June 12, 2010 Their aging roster went 25-14-3 after Jan. 1 while the Sabres went 21-16-6 ... so explain again why they want all those little parts while giving up their best player? I don't think they need to trade Staal to anyone to get a little younger. They are just not that desperate. There is nothing to explain. They lost Cullen, Brind'Amour is sure to be gone, they need to revamp their team, regardless of the last half of this past season. They have been on the decline since the Cup victory. I will submit there are some interchangable components that could be done, i.e. Connolly in lieu of Roy, Pomminstein in lieu of Stafford and so on, but, at the end of the day, if you throw enough at them, they'll take it. As the initial post I put up asked, what does your package look like to land him. (And on a side note, those that are proposing Sharp or someone similiar as an answer to a Cup Contention for the Sabres, you can hang it up, not even close. This team needs a number 1 center, Staal is my primary choice, Brad Richards would be another. Are guys like this expensive, you bet your sweet arse they are)
deluca67 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Exactly. No one is offended by the idea of Eric Staal. I am sure we would all love to have him. I agree with static that he would be great for Vanek and would help in every way. The problem is Carolina is not trading him, not for any realistic combination of players/picks the Sabres have to offer. If the Sabres suck so badly and are too small and all that, what the ###### would Carolina want with Ennis and Roy? The Sabres could offer Myers and Miller for Staal and Ward and I am not even sure they would do it. I suppose they might, but it's not at all realistic. It's so easy to say "give away the farm," but you're not giving it away, you are asking for the other team to give you their franchise player. I totally agree the Sabres need to make some "actual hockey trades," (and that DR is unlikely to make enough to satisfy us), but Carolina is not in such a bad place that they are desperate to shake things up and trade the face of their franchise. They were actually really good down the stretch last season. There are plenty of more realistic possibilities, starting with Patrick Sharp in Chicago, maybe. (He's not Staal, but he's better than anything the Sabres have and the Hawks need to shed salary.) Maybe not, the problem is Regier doesn't even make the call. Make the call, if Carolina says no way then move to the next team. Regier should be calling every team in the league not the agents for Tallinder and Lydman.
tom webster Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Carolina has said repeatedly that they are not trading Staal and Ward. I don't know why you keep bringing it up. Richards is a possibility but I don't think he justifies his salary.
SwampD Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I have no doubt Carolina would deal Staal if the right package were assembled. My package would be hefty, but fair in value. To Buf Eric Staal To Car Derek Roy Drew Stafford Nathan Gerbe/Tim Kennedy Andrej Sekera/Chris Butler Zack Kassian/Luke Adam 1st rd pick 2010 2nd rd pick 2011 If thats what it takes, do it. We need a Young Stud center, Carolina needs a team to replace their aging roster. I like this, but I would rather go go after Iguinla. I know he's not a center but it's probably more likely to happen and we could get him for less. That's a team that is looking to rebuild (or, is rebuilding).
deluca67 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Carolina has said repeatedly that they are not trading Staal and Ward. I don't know why you keep bringing it up. Richards is a possibility but I don't think he justifies his salary. Why bring it up? Because we know teams never say one thing and do another. :wallbash:
deluca67 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 I like this, but I would rather go go after Iguinla. I know he's not a center but it's probably more likely to happen and we could get him for less. That's a team that is looking to rebuild (or, is rebuilding). Is it really? When you have a GM that wouldn't even call to ask?
tom webster Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Is it really? When you have a GM that wouldn't even call to ask? So you worry about how he uses his time but you want him to call about veteran players who have no movement clauses and whose organizations have said publicly that they are not trading?
SwampD Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Is it really? When you have a GM that wouldn't even call to ask? I meant from the other team's point of view. We all know what Darcy isn't going to do.
deluca67 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 So you worry about how he uses his time but you want him to call about veteran players who have no movement clauses and whose organizations have said publicly that they are not trading? Yes. Because that player does not exist. Better players than Eric Stall have been traded in their prime. Why is that? Because a GM had the stones to call another GM and offer a deal.
SwampD Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Yes. Because that player does not exist. Better players than Eric Stall have been traded in their prime. Why is that? Because a GM had the stones to call another GM and offer a deal. And really, what veteran from a losing team wouldn't want the chance to come to the Sabres and play for an elite coach.
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