ntjacks79 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Posted May 16, 2010 We're dealing in hypotheticals here so you can't name me one who could be worse either, but at least I'm willing to try. For the record, my list of The NHLs Greatest Coaches does not go: 1.Scotty Bowman 2.Lindy Ruff 3.... You guys are having a nice little discussion here. I really do like to hear both sides, because I feel torn day-to-day as to whose side to be on. :rolleyes: I must admit, I lean toward the "Eleven Side", but I really do think you make a lot of good points. You just need to give us a name... :lol:
Eleven Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 We're dealing in hypotheticals here so you can't name me one who could be worse either, but at least I'm willing to try. For the record, my list of The NHLs Greatest Coaches does not go: 1.Scotty Bowman 2.Lindy Ruff 3.... Neither does mine, and I can name you a coach who would be worse. Actually, that's what this thread is supposed to be about. I do not think Bylsma is as good a coach as Ruff. I do not think Ken Hitchcock is as good a coach as Ruff. Laviolette, maybe, but he's not available. I don't think Quenville is as good, I don't think Vignault is as good, and I don't think any various and assorted Sutters are as good. Trotz? I like him, but not available. I cannot think of an available candidate who would do a better job, and apparently, no one else can, either. Who do you want? Mike Keenan? Craig MacTavish (I'd be willing to consider that one, actually)? Name somebody! We're just going to go 'round in circles, you and I; let's drop it (for now, because we both know this is going to resurface in threads all summer long) and hope for a better result in 2011.
carpandean Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 As with a lot of things, coaches cannot be perfectly ordered. Each has his strengths and weaknesses, and it is unlikely that when comparing two good coaches that one will be above the other in every category. As such, it may not be as much about finding someone better than Ruff, but rather someone who is different than, but on par with Ruff. That list is probably a lot longer than coaches who are definitely better. I'd still rather see a new GM first, but I understand and am willing to accept that it would likely need to be a both or neither decision. Unfortunately, at least in the short term, it appears to be neither.
SwampD Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 Neither does mine, and I can name you a coach who would be worse. Actually, that's what this thread is supposed to be about. I do not think Bylsma is as good a coach as Ruff. I do not think Ken Hitchcock is as good a coach as Ruff. Laviolette, maybe, but he's not available. I don't think Quenville is as good, I don't think Vignault is as good, and I don't think any various and assorted Sutters are as good. Trotz? I like him, but not available. I cannot think of an available candidate who would do a better job, and apparently, no one else can, either. Who do you want? Mike Keenan? Craig MacTavish (I'd be willing to consider that one, actually)? Name somebody! We're just going to go 'round in circles, you and I; let's drop it (for now, because we both know this is going to resurface in threads all summer long) and hope for a better result in 2011. Ah, the true Sabre Way.
Eleven Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 Ah, the true Sabre Way. Right, because the team was going to adopt the joint recommendation of Swamp and Eleven anyway. Why are you aggravating me like this? PA, did you put him up to this? (kidding.)
Eleven Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 As with a lot of things, coaches cannot be perfectly ordered. Each has his strengths and weaknesses, and it is unlikely that when comparing two good coaches that one will be above the other in every category. As such, it may not be as much about finding someone better than Ruff, but rather someone who is different than, but on par with Ruff. That list is probably a lot longer than coaches who are definitely better. I'd still rather see a new GM first, but I understand and am willing to accept that it would likely need to be a both or neither decision. Unfortunately, at least in the short term, it appears to be neither. You're right, and when I'm saying whether a coach is "as good," I should be clearer and say what I mean: "as good for this team." Because Bylsma can win a Cup with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Gonchar, and a hot Fleury, but could he do it with Vanek, Connolly, Roy, Tallinder, and Miller? I don't think so. I'm with you on a new GM, if it's Regier who's calling the shots. If it's Quinn, then I want him removed from anything to do with player-personnel decisions. (I really don't know who's actually in charge of that stuff right now.)
SwampD Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 Right, because the team was going to adopt the joint recommendation of Swamp and Eleven anyway. Why are you aggravating me like this? PA, did you put him up to this? (kidding.) I, too, am aggravated. As long As everyone who matters knows that the fans are content with status quo, then status quo is what we will get. I really don't care if the next coach is better than Ruff or not, as long as they win the Cup while he's here.
Kristian Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 And you can't name anyone else who would be better than Ruff! Well, just to nitpick you can't name anyone who would be worse either, as we're dealing in hypotheticals. Fact is good coaches get tuned out by their players and fired all the time.
Stoner Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 If Eleven and Olivia Wilde had their own TV series, would it necessarily have to include Jack Bauer?
SwampD Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 If Eleven and Olivia Wilde had their own TV series, would it necessarily have to include Jack Bauer? No, but apparently that is how many seasons he needs to evaluate Lindy as a coach. :lol:
Stoner Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 No, but apparently that is how many seasons he needs to evaluate Lindy as a coach. :lol: Very nice.
ntjacks79 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Posted May 16, 2010 Very nice. Come on, now. No picking on, Eleven. This is a good discussion. He's not the only one who feels Lindy could deserve the benefit of the doubt (based on a lot of the points he made, and I previously made).
static70 Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 Since we're throwing insults around, I think it's pretty simplistic to say that if you don't win a Cup in 13 seasons, you should be fired, no matter what you're given to work with, and if you're given an All-Star team it's OK to lose to an inferior team because you won it last year. ntjacks, it wasn't meant as an insult, I don't want you to take it that way. Its just merely the facts at hand is all. It is what it is unfortunately, take it for what it is.
TheChimp Posted May 16, 2010 Report Posted May 16, 2010 Is this post serious? If the Habs are "so great", how did they finish FOURTH in a division won by the SABRES... a team most of us agree is not that great. Did your "heroes" just decide to take the season off? Because they had JUST started together this YEAR. You expect that many new players to just jell immediately? I shouldn't have even addressed this nasty post of yours, but it was just that ignorant. The Habs aren't my "heroes", you cheeky little brat. I'm jealous of them. They made HUGE moves, unthinkable around Buffalo, to make their team a contender, and after one short season, it already looks like it's paying off, as they are in the ECF and YOUR heroes, Derek Roy, Paul Gaustad, and Tim Connolly, are eating Twinkies and lounging by some pool.
notwoz Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 I hope that no one takes this personally, but this has turned into the most boring thread I've read in I don't know how long.
FogBat Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 Not sure but I believe that Bylsma just won a cup with Pittsburgh last year. If LR won Buffalo a cup he would have a statue erected out front of HSBC and there would be hundreds of children growning up in Buffalo with the first name of Lindy. I missed this post and I wish I'd caught it earlier. It reminds me of the time when women would name their children after soap opera characters as recent as the early 90's (but I'm not sure if they still do that). Otherwise, notwoz is right. This is pretty much a dead thread that is essentially revolving around 2-3 posters.
SwampD Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 I hope that no one takes this personally, but this has turned into the most boring thread I've read in I don't know how long. I hope that no one takes this personally, but the Sabres have turned into the most boring team I've seen in I don't know how long. 11 said earlier that change just for sake of change was insane. Albert Einstein once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". I guess the same could be said about following the Sabres or frequenting this board.
notwoz Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 I hope that no one takes this personally, but the Sabres have turned into the most boring team I've seen in I don't know how long. 11 said earlier that change just for sake of change was insane. Albert Einstein once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". I guess the same could be said about following the Sabres or frequenting to this board. Amen to that brother
Eleven Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 I hope that no one takes this personally, but the Sabres have turned into the most boring team I've seen in I don't know how long. 11 said earlier that change just for sake of change was insane. Albert Einstein once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". I guess the same could be said about following the Sabres or frequenting this board. So either come up with a decent idea or stop arguing your "point," what do you want me to tell you? I've mentioned two coaches that I think would be decent. You, none. I also offered that we should both just STFU about it for a while. Don't know why this has continued. You're a decent guy, you're a good poster, and we don't see eye-to-eye here, and I don't think we will. Let it ###### go, man.
SwampD Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 So either come up with a decent idea or stop arguing your "point," what do you want me to tell you? I've mentioned two coaches that I think would be decent. You, none. I also offered that we should both just STFU about it for a while. Don't know why this has continued. You're a decent guy, you're a good poster, and we don't see eye-to-eye here, and I don't think we will. Let it ###### go, man. I wouldn't mind seeing Michel Therrien. I'd even give Ted Nolan another shot. Heck, at this point I would welcome Barry Melrose. As I said earlier, unless there is an enormous shakeup with the lineup (doubtful) I am just not looking forward to seeing the same brand of hockey next season that we have seen the last three(5?,...12?) seasons.
Stoner Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 Rene Comeau. A young, bright hockey mind. Why not go out and find the next great one instead of some re-tread? You happy now, Eleven?
ntjacks79 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Posted May 17, 2010 Because they had JUST started together this YEAR. You expect that many new players to just jell immediately? I shouldn't have even addressed this nasty post of yours, but it was just that ignorant. The Habs aren't my "heroes", you cheeky little brat. I'm jealous of them. They made HUGE moves, unthinkable around Buffalo, to make their team a contender, and after one short season, it already looks like it's paying off, as they are in the ECF and YOUR heroes, Derek Roy, Paul Gaustad, and Tim Connolly, are eating Twinkies and lounging by some pool. Sorry about that. I have serious disdain for the 2010 Canadiens (other than Halak), and I definitely disagree with your premise vehemently, but I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you. Again, sorry. However, I think that the Habs pretty much proved my point last night... and the ridiculous team they are without stand-on-your-head goaltending. BTW, what's a "cheeky little brat"? You don't sound like you're from Buffalo. That sounded like an insult I'd hear at London Heathrow. :rolleyes:
ntjacks79 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Report Posted May 17, 2010 Rene Comeau. A young, bright hockey mind. Why not go out and find the next great one instead of some re-tread? You happy now, Eleven? How about Kevin Dineen, with Lindy Ruff as GM? I'm only half-kidding. I think after 13 years of the players he's been given, he's been well-groomed to be a GM. :rolleyes:
notwoz Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 Rene Comeau. A young, bright hockey mind. Why not go out and find the next great one instead of some re-tread? You happy now, Eleven? I'm drawing a blank on this name. More info please.
Billfold100 Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 So either come up with a decent idea or stop arguing your "point," what do you want me to tell you? I've mentioned two coaches that I think would be decent. You, none. I also offered that we should both just STFU about it for a while. Don't know why this has continued. You're a decent guy, you're a good poster, and we don't see eye-to-eye here, and I don't think we will. Let it ###### go, man. Doesn't matter. LR & DR will sign extensions this summer. The next head coach and gm is at least 2 years away.
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