Billfold100 Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 That hit came right after Kassian's back in January and made his look squeaky clean by comparison. He was suspended for the rest of the season, including the playoffs. What's funny is that this kid was traded to Atlanta as part of the Kovy trade. How is it any worse than Kassian's hit? Outside of the obvious convulsions...
shrader Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 How is it any worse than Kassian's hit? Outside of the obvious convulsions... I can't wait to see some responses to this one. I've got nothing.
Eleven Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 How is it any worse than Kassian's hit? Outside of the obvious convulsions... That was discussed at length in this thread, too: http://forums.sabres...post__p__183922
spndnchz Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 How is it any worse than Kassian's hit? Outside of the obvious convulsions... Both were bad but one was face to face and the other was punk sneak-up with the elbow.
Billfold100 Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 Both were bad but one was face to face and the other was punk sneak-up with the elbow. both unnecessary...then again, our team could use a little more "unnecessary".
Billfold100 Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 both unnecessary...then again, our team could use a little more "unnecessary". that makes no sense whatsoever. sorry.
SabresRepublic Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 that makes no sense whatsoever. sorry. I totally agree! That is an invitation to disaster! Our bread and butter and winning the SC will be predicated on aptitude and skill! We had that and just the Germanic clan back would have given our special teams the QBs necessary to get the job done. It is after all what prevented us from prevailing! GO BUFFALO SABRES!!!
North Buffalo Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 I can't wait to see some responses to this one. I've got nothing. While both were unnecessary, there was at least a little fault to given the forward for skating with his head in the clouds. If it had been Scott Stevens and not Kassian the guy would have a hole in his chest. If if you are going to skate with your head in the clouds through center ice waiting for the puck to drop at your feet and then wonder when it does why you just got run you should get out of hockey. And if you can't do both at once... hmmm Tim Connolly, maybe that applies? I am sorry an elbow to the back of the head and a thump shoulder in the chest laying a guy out are two different things. Despite the Kassian hit coming on the heals of the Cormier hit, I don't see them as equivalent. One was a tough, maybe not necessary, but clean hockey play, the other "elbow" was totally malicious. Just MO.
Stoner Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 Hit to the chest? Isn't that about what you expected? The blue and gold blinders are on.
Eleven Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 Isn't that about what you expected? The blue and gold blinders are on. I think most of us see do see it as a hit to the head, but the OHL's specific findings were (1) that it was not a hit to the head and (2) Kassian did not leave his feet. See the earlier thread. Personally, I think it was a hit to the head.
North Buffalo Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 To me it looked like Kassian dropped his shoulder and caught the guy below the chin. I have been hit that way playing hockey, it launches you. My fault too, my head was down looking at the puck as I deked another defender. Doesn't mean it wasn't intentional, but it wasn't a head shot. If had been a hit to the head I doubt the guy would have been dropped in a different way, head bending back first and not with the bodily force this guy was hit with. It just would have looked different..... Once again my opinion. F the blinders grumpy, open your eyes and look at the hit and then go out and have it done to you. Both suck, but one is a cheap shot to the head another is clean hit. IMO the clean hit version is a lot more devastating looking, though the head hit can cause more damage.
Stoner Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 To me it looked like Kassian dropped his shoulder and caught the guy below the chin. I have been hit that way playing hockey, it launches you. My fault too, my head was down looking at the puck as I deked another defender. Doesn't mean it wasn't intentional, but it wasn't a head shot. If had been a hit to the head I doubt the guy would have been dropped in a different way, head bending back first and not with the bodily force this guy was hit with. It just would have looked different..... Once again my opinion. F the blinders grumpy, open your eyes and look at the hit and then go out and have it done to you. Both suck, but one is a cheap shot to the head another is clean hit. IMO the clean hit version is a lot more devastating looking, though the head hit can cause more damage. SDS hits hard, huh?
shrader Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 I think most of us see do see it as a hit to the head, but the OHL's specific findings were (1) that it was not a hit to the head and (2) Kassian did not leave his feet. See the earlier thread. Personally, I think it was a hit to the head. I was just about ready to sell you a bridge until I read that last sentence.
Eleven Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 I was just about ready to sell you a bridge until I read that last sentence. Yeah, I don't agree with the OHL findings and I didn't then. At the time, I stated that I believed the suspension was out of line with the findings. (Which it is!) But the suspension definitely was warranted from what we all saw.
shrader Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 Yeah, I don't agree with the OHL findings and I didn't then. At the time, I stated that I believed the suspension was out of line with the findings. (Which it is!) But the suspension definitely was warranted from what we all saw. I wish the phrase "human missile" had appeared in that report because that's exactly what it was.
carpandean Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 How is it any worse than Kassian's hit? Outside of the obvious convulsions... Kassian's hit somewhat resembled a hockey hit, while Cormier's resembled an MMA hit ... or maybe a mugging. ;)
shrader Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 Kassian's hit somewhat resembled a hockey hit, while Cormier's resembled an MMA hit ... or maybe a mugging. ;) The only sport Kassian's hit resembled was football.
Sabre Dance Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 I would think they're more for those instances where the player falls and hits his head on the ice. The helmet may have arrived for a different purpose originally, but as the game has changed, that is definitely the biggest danger out there now. Hockey helmets are not necessarily designed to prevent concussions - they are meant to distribute the force of a blow over the entire skull rather than in one small spot. It also provides protection from cuts due to flying pucks/sticks/skate blades. The shell of a hockey helmet is more flexible that say a football helmet, and the padding inside is really just to make the helmet fit correctly and to keep the shell away from the head. A serious blow will still transmit a great amount of force to a player's head, since this closed-cell foam padding does not collapse to absorb the shock. That is why players who fall or get knocked down and whose head hits the ice still get a concussion on many occasions. Contrast that with a motorcycle helmet. The shell and inner padding perform functions similar to the hockey helmet, but there is a layer of dense styrofoam between the two. A blow delivered to the helmet has its force distributed via the shell and then the styrofoam under the area of the blow collapses, absorbing the shock rather than transmitting it to the head. That is why you need to replace a motorcycle helmet even if has suffered only one impact. The collapsed styrofoam no longer provides proper protection. You could build a hockey helmet like that, but every time you got a conk on the noggin, you'd need to replace the helmet (or at least the liner). That may be OK for the pros, but for kids, juniors, etc. you'd be hard pressed to convince a parent to buy a kid four or five helmets every season. That's not to say that there hasn't been an increase in "head-hunting". I've watched NHL hockey for 45 years and you did not see the amount of head shots (or the severity) that you do now. This is a recent development (say within the last ten years). Whatever the reason for the increase (e.g., lack of respect, etc.), this is bad mojo. Bad for the poor brain-injured victims and bad for a sport that is desperately trying to elevate itself in the eyes of the US sports consumer.
shrader Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 They're definitely looking into their best options of preventing concussions with the helmets though. Messier has a helmet in use now that is supposed to be the best option right now. Obviously nothing is ever going to be perfect, but concussions are certainly under consideration when a helmet is in the design process.
North Buffalo Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 That's not to say that there hasn't been an increase in "head-hunting". I've watched NHL hockey for 45 years and you did not see the amount of head shots (or the severity) that you do now. This is a recent development (say within the last ten years). Whatever the reason for the increase (e.g., lack of respect, etc.), this is bad mojo. Not sure if I agree that there is an increase, it seems to me during the seventies the Flyers and Bruins were notorious head hunters and Korab and Schoenfeld were not exactly shrinking violets either. The more helmets being worn the more I do think that players think it is okay to hit up high, but I think what you are seeing is the result of the increased penalties for fighting and hits to the knee which were rampant back when. However, I would argue that head hits started increasing with guys like Scott Stevens and guys like him who specialized in nasty open ice hits.
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