Police investigate elbow to the head

[tom webster]

This is not easy to watch.

 

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/2010/05/quebec-player-charged-with-assault.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fbuffalonews%2Fsabres+%28Sabres+Edge%29

[NNYSABRESMAN]

THROW THE SONOFABITCH IN JAIL AND TAKE AWAY HIS ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY HOCKEY AT ANY LEVEL.

[carpandean]

This is not easy to watch.

 

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/2010/05/quebec-player-charged-with-assault.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fbuffalonews%2Fsabres+%28Sabres+Edge%29

That hit came right after Kassian's back in January and made his look squeaky clean by comparison. He was suspended for the rest of the season, including the playoffs. What's funny is that this kid was traded to Atlanta as part of the Kovy trade.

[gregkash]

He should be banned from professional hockey. That wasn't even close. There's nothing you could do or say there that even comes close to thinking that is a reasonable play.

[SwampD]

Here is the most ridiculous part of theat story -

 

The elbow was deliberate, unneccessary and has no place in hockey, but the convulsions are likely what has led the police to take action, not the hit itself.

 

Why?! Why does it take a guy convulsing on the ice for them to realize that an elbow to the head has no place in hockey.

[carpandean]

By the way, this wasn't Cormier's first elbow:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVMKC5R9tmA

 

Watch at around 0:40 and 1:28 for two questionable hits from the World Juniors.

[shrader]

By the way, this wasn't Cormier's first elbow:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVMKC5R9tmA

 

Watch at around 0:40 and 1:28 for two questionable hits from the World Juniors.

 

So are you saying those were his first elbows? ;)

[carpandean]

So are you saying those were his first elbows? ;)

Maybe, maybe not. But they certainly were before this incident, so it was not his first.

 

Edit: my "this was not his first elbow:" may have been misleading. The "this" in that sentence was the incident TM linked to and the ":" was meant to indicate that the video was evidence that it was not, not to say that the "this" was referring to my video.

[darksabre]

If you do something during the course of a sporting event that is so dangerous to the other players that the police should be involved, you should be facing criminal charges. Maybe THAT is what it takes to refine the sport of hockey back to the way it was in the days when players didn't even need helmets. It's an athletic competition, not a street brawl.

 

I say good on the police for getting involved.

[VansTheMans]

If you do something during the course of a sporting event that is so dangerous to the other players that the police should be involved, you should be facing criminal charges. Maybe THAT is what it takes to refine the sport of hockey back to the way it was in the days when players didn't even need helmets. It's an athletic competition, not a street brawl.

 

I say good on the police for getting involved.

 

Co-sign.

 

Despicable hit.

[SabresRepublic]

If you do something during the course of a sporting event that is so dangerous to the other players that the police should be involved, you should be facing criminal charges. Maybe THAT is what it takes to refine the sport of hockey back to the way it was in the days when players didn't even need helmets. It's an athletic competition, not a street brawl.

 

I say good on the police for getting involved.

 

The problem starts in the NHL. Despite the rule changes toward a more competitive game post lockout there is an intense lobby within the NHL management as to when to draw the line and when to let the "rollerbladers" more leeway when controlling a game for shock value entertainment purposes.

 

The Sabres were subjected to this helter skelter officiating regimen under the guise of HOCKEY IS FOR EVERYONE throughout the season but most notably the last ten days. In the last week before the playoffs Sabres were decimated by goon hockey play from their opponents including Stafford's concussion and others NOT to mention that Boston knew they could NOT compete with a healthy Sabres squad. But then again all the NHL teams were well aware that a healthy Vanek, Hecht, Kaleta, Stafford and Connolly meant they had NO CHANCE!

 

Essentially, this is happening at the developmental league levels because the NHL (or rather a vocal minority within) deems it so!

To correct the problem we need to convince Bettman and Campbell to move on! The Hockey Board of Governors need to become a transparent entity and a specific officiating quality control regimen administered by professional bodies adhering to aptitude and skill implemented - NO EXCEPTIONS!

[SwampD]

The problem starts in the NHL. Despite the rule changes toward a more competitive game post lockout there is an intense lobby within the NHL management as to when to draw the line and when to let the "rollerbladers" more leeway when controlling a game for shock value entertainment purposes.

 

The Sabres were subjected to this helter skelter officiating regimen under the guise of HOCKEY IS FOR EVERYONE throughout the season but most notably the last ten days. In the last week before the playoffs Sabres were decimated by goon hockey play from their opponents including Stafford's concussion and others NOT to mention that Boston knew they could NOT compete with a healthy Sabres squad. But then again all the NHL teams were well aware that a healthy Vanek, Hecht, Kaleta, Stafford and Connolly meant they had NO CHANCE!

 

Essentially, this is happening at the developmental league levels because the NHL (or rather a vocal minority within) deems it so!

To correct the problem we need to convince Bettman and Campbell to move on! The Hockey Board of Governors need to become a transparent entity and a specific officiating quality control regimen administered by professional bodies adhering to aptitude and skill implemented - NO EXCEPTIONS!

Good luck with that.

 

 

We've missed you.

[deluca67]

If you do something during the course of a sporting event that is so dangerous to the other players that the police should be involved, you should be facing criminal charges. Maybe THAT is what it takes to refine the sport of hockey back to the way it was in the days when players didn't even need helmets. It's an athletic competition, not a street brawl.

I say good on the police for getting involved.

Players don't wear helmets to protect against elbows or hits. They wear to protect against 90 mph slap shots. The game was much nastier back in the days without helmets. The idea that players once had respect for each other is bull$hit. Players respected that big SOB each team team had at the end of the bench whose only job is to take someone's head off.

 

As far as the police getting involved? Does any on think that's really a good idea? Where does their involvement end? Vanek twice within in a couple of weeks was attacked with a deadly weapon. Should the Sens and Bruins be bailing out their players? Once the police are involved you know that politicians, like locust, will be right behind them.

[Eleven]

This was discussed in depth on this board when it happened. Cormier has a history--he pulled this stuff at least twice at the World Juniors just before the Olympics. I think it's in the Kassian suspension thread from January. The consensus was--and should be--that the kid needs some time away from hockey, and some therapy. I don't know that prison is the answer, though.

[shrader]

Maybe, maybe not. But they certainly were before this incident, so it was not his first.

 

Edit: my "this was not his first elbow:" may have been misleading. The "this" in that sentence was the incident TM linked to and the ":" was meant to indicate that the video was evidence that it was not, not to say that the "this" was referring to my video.

 

Come on, I was just messing with you. :ph34r:

 

Players don't wear helmets to protect against elbows or hits. They wear to protect against 90 mph slap shots.

 

I would think they're more for those instances where the player falls and hits his head on the ice. The helmet may have arrived for a different purpose originally, but as the game has changed, that is definitely the biggest danger out there now.

[deluca67]

I would think they're more for those instances where the player falls and hits his head on the ice. The helmet may have arrived for a different purpose originally, but as the game has changed, that is definitely the biggest danger out there now.

You may be right. I always thought the player helmet was part of the evolution of the slap shot that began with goalie masks and just progressed. I don't remember any incidents of a player hitting their head on the ice that would have facilitated helmets being worn.

[Eleven]

You may be right. I always thought the player helmet was part of the evolution of the slap shot that began with goalie masks and just progressed. I don't remember any incidents of a player hitting their head on the ice that would have facilitated helmets being worn.

 

Same here. I remember why Martin started wearing one, though. His head was pounded (accidentally, IIRC) into the intersection of goalpost and crossbar. Had little to do with player-on-player hitting, and I don't think the helmet rule did, either. And like you said, I don't think it had much to do with the ice. The rule mandating helmets was for protection against accidents, originally. Now, well, it has turned into something else.

[SwampD]

You may be right. I always thought the player helmet was part of the evolution of the slap shot that began with goalie masks and just progressed. I don't remember any incidents of a player hitting their head on the ice that would have facilitated helmets being worn.

The helmet sure saved Grier this playoffs.

[SabresRepublic]

Players don't wear helmets to protect against elbows or hits. They wear to protect against 90 mph slap shots. The game was much nastier back in the days without helmets. The idea that players once had respect for each other is bull$hit. Players respected that big SOB each team team had at the end of the bench whose only job is to take someone's head off.

 

As far as the police getting involved? Does any on think that's really a good idea? Where does their involvement end? Vanek twice within in a couple of weeks was attacked with a deadly weapon. Should the Sens and Bruins be bailing out their players? Once the police are involved you know that politicians, like locust, will be right behind them.

 

Methinks the answer is obvious! If our government suspends the Bill of Rights we smoke out the offending administrators. The fact that the NHL allows for Darko Roto Rooter or other goonism against any team and against the Sabres there are at least a dozen examples including the two you mentioned against Vanek in the last two weeks there is a fundamental problem. Bring in the RIOT Police because NHL management is clueless or they have their hands tied - either way the integrity of aptitude and skill has been compromised to the detriment of the Buffalo Sabres! With all our Sabres healthy Bruins have NO chance - ditto rest of the NHL!

 

Bring in the riot police! Just play by the rules and use discipline when video does NOT lie!

GO BUFFALO SABRES!!!

[Kristian]

The problem starts in the NHL. Despite the rule changes toward a more competitive game post lockout there is an intense lobby within the NHL management as to when to draw the line and when to let the "rollerbladers" more leeway when controlling a game for shock value entertainment purposes.

 

The Sabres were subjected to this helter skelter officiating regimen under the guise of HOCKEY IS FOR EVERYONE throughout the season but most notably the last ten days. In the last week before the playoffs Sabres were decimated by goon hockey play from their opponents including Stafford's concussion and others NOT to mention that Boston knew they could NOT compete with a healthy Sabres squad. But then again all the NHL teams were well aware that a healthy Vanek, Hecht, Kaleta, Stafford and Connolly meant they had NO CHANCE!

 

Essentially, this is happening at the developmental league levels because the NHL (or rather a vocal minority within) deems it so!

To correct the problem we need to convince Bettman and Campbell to move on! The Hockey Board of Governors need to become a transparent entity and a specific officiating quality control regimen administered by professional bodies adhering to aptitude and skill implemented - NO EXCEPTIONS!

 

Sorry, but do you actually believe this?

 

Even if this were a 100% no touch league, you don't think a team like Pittsburgh would "have a chance"? :rolleyes:

 

Yeah, that Kaleta's a real finesse player, isn't he? He'd do really well in a league where team's weren't allow to hold, clutch, grab and interfere, wouldn't he?

[shrader]

Same here. I remember why Martin started wearing one, though. His head was pounded (accidentally, IIRC) into the intersection of goalpost and crossbar. Had little to do with player-on-player hitting, and I don't think the helmet rule did, either. And like you said, I don't think it had much to do with the ice. The rule mandating helmets was for protection against accidents, originally. Now, well, it has turned into something else.

 

Yeah, it wasn't the original purpose, but with the increased size and speed of the game, heads hitting the ice, boards, or a post are probably the incidents that the helmet provides the most protection for today.

[SabresRepublic]

Sorry, but do you actually believe this?

 

Even if this were a 100% no touch league, you don't think a team like Pittsburgh would "have a chance"?

 

Yeah, that Kaleta's a real finesse player, isn't he? He'd do really well in a league where team's weren't allow to hold, clutch, grab and interfere, wouldn't he?

 

NOT AT ALL!

 

I did NOT say NO touch league! Don't be such a touch hole!!! Sorry, I could NOT resist! Hockey is by necessity a contact sport - which is why there are rules and officials despite examples to the contrary!

Actually we did well against the annointed ones from Pittsburgh. And Kaleta was much more valuable to us as a Craig Ramsey type checker/opportunist like when he scored the short-handed or even game winning goal in overtime. He as well as the up and coming Sabres need to be forewarned NOT to be sucked into a style of play that is uncharacteristic of Sabres aptitude and skill. Look at the Canadiens. We had excellent games between us and our play eventually propelled them to where they are now. And, I will venture to say, like I did when the Sabres were eliminated that the Eastern Conference Finals will be all Northeast division. And, in that case, I hope Boston learns to play an aptitude and skill game that we would have brought with our healthy Germanic clan and which they will need to beat the aptitude and skill Habs!

 

Either way, I am rooting for the Bruins strictly for bragging rights - as in the Sabres were beaten by the eventual champion - albeit that they did it by playing goon hockey!

 

GO BUFFALO SABRES!!!

[bunomatic]

I remember the elbow on the swedish player at the world championship game where he hit him as he left the ice then scrambled to get back on his bench and hide behind his team mates.I was embarassed as a canadian fan.Pathetic player that deserves what he gets.He was a predator on the hit that he's in trouble for now.Thats not a hockey play,its assualt plain and simple.Reckless and that player could have died.

[That Aud Smell]

This was discussed in depth on this board when it happened. Cormier has a history--he pulled this stuff at least twice at the World Juniors just before the Olympics. I think it's in the Kassian suspension thread from January. The consensus was--and should be--that the kid needs some time away from hockey, and some therapy. I don't know that prison is the answer, though.

good point, good memory.

 

http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/16431-kassian-traded-to-windsor/page__view__findpost__p__183922

 

i am waiting for someone to put 2 and 2 together and post a thread stating that the sabres should make a play for the rights to both downie and cormier. :sick:

[Eleven]

good point, good memory.

 

http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/16431-kassian-traded-to-windsor/page__view__findpost__p__183922

 

i am waiting for someone to put 2 and 2 together and post a thread stating that the sabres should make a play for the rights to both downie and cormier?. :sick:

 

And put them on a line with Kassian.