Where is that retarded thread about the Sabres being BETTER w/o Vanek?

[static70]

Technically if you are going to go the money-ball way you'd have to say 28 goal scorer in 71 games. So you'd have to say he's worth a goal every 2.5 games. This is a pure quantitative analysis/idea though, i'm more of a qualitative guy and simply watching the games that he's been in recently versus where he hasn't been in... You can easily see how much better Roy plays with him on the line and how he opens things up because people respect/fear his shot. Also you mention the stretches in between the flury of goals he scores but he has been very hot recently and we might say he had been in the middle of one... he's for sure been on the puck more and also making himself better available in space for passes. One player getting real hot can heavily weigh on a series. So I understand and get what you mean but I gotta disagree a bit in this case.

I stand corrected, you are right. But, I have the expectations I do based on the performance of the team as a whole over the last 3 seasons, not so much Vanek himself. By no means do I want to say he isn't a worth while player, and you are correct, Roy does play really well with him. But, with his absence I would just love to see the Sabres do the unexpected is all.

[jwcolour]

I stand corrected, you are right. But, I have the expectations I do based on the performance of the team as a whole over the last 3 seasons, not so much Vanek himself. By no means do I want to say he isn't a worth while player, and you are correct, Roy does play really well with him. But, with his absence I would just love to see the Sabres do the unexpected is all.

 

I hear you bro, we are all in the same boat. We have the talent to get through this round... this game... we lost essentially by a goal. But they team played beyond bad, it wasn't really a lack of scoring either. The passing was what did us in... our D couldn't start a breakout at all in the 2nd period, and when they did either the wingers weren't even looking for the puck (stupid) or they'd just cough it up to the Boston D. The 1st game I thought Boston just played awesome in the 2nd, and we played good enough in the 3rd to keep up. This game, I'd find it hard to say Boston even played all that great, every facet of our game was pretty poor after the 1st. People (Lydman comes to mind) hardly looked where they were passing/randomly tossing the puck. Even when they did the passes were far off. The play in our own zone was reminiscent of last season. I don't want to say anything bad about Miller because his aggressiveness this year has been a huge part of his success and you always take the shooter and leave it to your D to stop the pass... but it finally caught up to him... on that 4 on 2 he knows he has to stay more back in his net... not that it'd be an easy stop by any means anyway.

 

I don't know, i've been boozing since the game.. so forgive me if my sentences run on and I sound like a moron.

[FogBat]

Your avatar looks too much like nobody's. Very confusing.

You're not alone in that assessment. I think it's thrown quite a few people off track. It needs to put Kathy Bates back up until it can figure out how to sort out its identity crisis.

[FogBat]

Let's me try to turn this thread based on anger and hate into something a bit more interesting and productive.

 

If Vanek is out for the rest of the playoffs and the Sabres make it to the Conference Finals or further. How many here would entertain the idea of trading Vanek in the off-season? If they prove in the playoffs they can still win without him you would think dumping the big contract should be a priority. I'm not saying I would be in favor of a move like that. I am just trying to rescue a thread where the title is a offense to those with mental disabilities.

Not happening. I won't even entertain that suggestion.

[deluca67]

Not happening. I won't even entertain that suggestion.

I would have expected nothing less.

[Taro T]

Let's me try to turn this thread based on anger and hate into something a bit more interesting and productive.

 

If Vanek is out for the rest of the playoffs and the Sabres make it to the Conference Finals or further. How many here would entertain the idea of trading Vanek in the off-season? If they prove in the playoffs they can still win without him you would think dumping the big contract should be a priority. I'm not saying I would be in favor of a move like that. I am just trying to rescue a thread where the title is a offense to those with mental disabilities.

If a trade will upgrade the team, they should make one; regardless of how well the team does in the post-season. No player should be off-limits; even Miller and Myers should have a "price" to be shipped out (but I would want the Sabres to get a serious truckload of talent if either were shipped out, so much so that they could realisitically be considered "untouchable"). I expect that you would be willing to take a lot less in return for Vanek than I would, so I don't know that what I'd consider "entertain(ing) the idea of trading Vanek" would meet your definition of it. 40 goal scorers (even those that only hit 40 every other year) are pretty rare; I don't want him gone just to have him gone.

[stenbaro]

I'm sure somewhere in there was a whine about Chris Drury...

Its right here...Next to Vanek..Injured again when it counts...lol...

[nobody]

You're not alone in that assessment. I think it's thrown quite a few people off track. It needs to put Kathy Bates back up until it can figure out how to sort out its identity crisis.

 

 

I know I keep getting confused.

[stenbaro]

Let's me try to turn this thread based on anger and hate into something a bit more interesting and productive.

 

If Vanek is out for the rest of the playoffs and the Sabres make it to the Conference Finals or further. How many here would entertain the idea of trading Vanek in the off-season? If they prove in the playoffs they can still win without him you would think dumping the big contract should be a priority. I'm not saying I would be in favor of a move like that. I am just trying to rescue a thread where the title is a offense to those with mental disabilities.

I think the contract he signed was ridiculous..Well run organizations dont let themselves get put into a position where they make a huge commitment due to past mistakes..Now if they have learned from those fine but to give a player that kind of contract was asinine. Regardless of that statement they need Thomas to be the goal scorer and power forward he can be if they are going to get past this round let alone the finals. He gets injured alot but that can be expected of any player who stands in front of the net and takes the beating he does. The problem isnt really him its the fact we dont have anyone besides him that has the ability to do what he does. So losing him for any length of time is devastating to this team. No one will give us the motherload for a oft injured player. The correct thing to do imo is to add another player who can score besides him and take some heat off his head..This team is loaded with good young hockey players that wiil become a really good team in the future.. Some of these contracts for players that realy shouldnt be getting paid them are coming due and hopefully they replace them with players that will produce what they are getting paid. These playoffs are a learning curve imo opinion, anything more than the first round is a huge bonus..

[waldo]

IMO..Trade Vanek. Amazing. Opposing teams have been keying on him all year. What ever line he plays on more often than not draws the number 1 d pairing , he takes a beating in front of the net every game on the pp (lindy has him playing far too deep),he plays hurt, gets doubled in key situations, and most importantly draws the ire of uniformed fans for not scoring forty this year because management thought it best to get rid of the front end of the Sabers power play (what percentage of his goals came from the pp last year?) His line generally has more possession time in the offensive zone and in most games creates more scoring chances than the other lines. Yeah trade him so Tim C, Derek, Pom and Drew can carry the team especially against physical teams. Maybe it would not be a bad idea to let him go for the right price to a contending western team with too much talent, a power play, and more than one line. He deserves that.I agree ,if the price is right any player should be on the block . Trade Thomas. He is the goat .It will make so many fans here happy.If the Mad Russian played here he would have a hard time breaking 50.

[shrader]

All of a sudden Vanek gets injured alot? He never missed anything until that shot to the face last year and now all of a sudden he's injury prone. It's amazing how people will make things up to "prove" a point.

[waldo]

All of a sudden Vanek gets injured alot? He never missed anything until that shot to the face last year and now all of a sudden he's injury prone. It's amazing how people will make things up to "prove" a point.

 

strange huh?....yep, he is now officially an injury prone player..you read it here first...next stop ESPN

[stenbaro]

strange huh?....yep, he is now officially an injury prone player..you read it here first...next stop ESPN

Well I might have overstated the fact he missed 11 games last yr and 11 htis yr..Last yr he got hurt when we were in the thick of trying to make the playoffs..This yr he gets hurt in the playoffs..My point was they shouldnt get rid of him it was they should add to him another player of his style...Its amazing how some people can pick out of a post what they want to read and tear it up...

[waldo]

Well I might have overstated the fact he missed 11 games last yr and 11 htis yr..Last yr he got hurt when we were in the thick of trying to make the playoffs..This yr he gets hurt in the playoffs..My point was they shouldnt get rid of him it was they should add to him another player of his style...Its amazing how some people can pick out of a post what they want to read and tear it up...

 

You mean he got injured last year after lindy convinced his number one offensive threat(only 40 a year, granted thats a tier two player in the nhl) into trying to block more shots...? Fractured jaw right? this year.. you mean resting him to get ready for the play offs?

[Kristian]

You mean he got injured last year after lindy convinced his number one offensive threat(only 40 a year, granted thats a tier two player in the nhl) into trying to block more shots...? Fractured jaw right? this year.. you mean resting him to get ready for the play offs?

 

While that fractured jaw was a fluke, there is a grain of truth to what you're saying.

 

There's more to blocking a shot than just getting in front of it, guys who aren't used to doing it stand a much better chance of hurting themselves in the process.

[waldo]

While that fractured jaw was a fluke, there is a grain of truth to what you're saying.

 

There's more to blocking a shot than just getting in front of it, guys who aren't used to doing it stand a much better chance of hurting themselves in the process.

 

thanks...and interesting that a fan would have stored the fact that vanek has never been a shot blocker.... at home in austria, in college at minn or in his short pro career.. shot blocking is an art form.it takes practice and schooling to do it properly and it is never a recommended activity for one of your best offensive players because even the guys who know how to do it get hurt often. lindy must have been drinking that day when he juiced him up and sent him out on there.