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NHL 1st ROUND PLAYOFF DISCUSSION(including broadcast info)

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deluca67 All Star

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Your FA point logistically works...but the trade deadline point doesn't. The Habs overhauled with FA, the Caps went crazy at the trade deadline. Just goes to show (along with the Kovalchuk trade) how ridiculously overrated making a deadline deal is. You improve your team from development and free agency...not wheeling and dealing on the clock.

Kovi wouldn't have improved the Sabres power play? They were for 0 for 19? What is "ridiculously overrated" is fans thoughts that you can't make your team better by free agent signings or make a solid trade at the deadline.

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Regier was applauded for doing nothing in free agency and at the trade deadline which got the Sabres nowhere.

Really? I don't remember that. It was noted that the opposite extreme usually doesn't work out very well (Montreal may be the anomaly, but they also just started gelling and nearly missed the playoffs waiting for it to happen), but I don't remember anyone saying "great job for doing nothing, Darcy!" In fact, most people wanted him to do more.

 

My problem with Darcy has always been that he's too careful; too passive. I haven't had a problem with him not being the opposite type, but he has failed to address key needs for several years.

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Kovi wouldn't have improved the Sabres power play? They were for 0 for 19? What is "ridiculously overrated" is fans thoughts that you can't make your team better by free agent signings or make a solid trade at the deadline.

 

Didn't say free agency, just deadline deals...and I'm referring to impending FA deadline deals. Almost all deadline deals of that sort are doomed to failure. You give up way too much for someone who leaves a few months later...and I can't think of a single example in the past ten years of someone who's made a significant difference on a Cup-winning team. And honestly, the only reason to make a deal like that is to win the Cup. All the teams that win the Cup are built before the start, through the farm system or in free agency.

 

Edit: And how'd Kovi work out for the Devils? He wasn't terrible, but he didn't provide anything near the spark he should have. ESPECIALLY for what they gave up to get him. As far as if Kovi would have improved the PP...maybe...but I highly doubt it would have been the difference that brought us home the Cup...and thus, not worth the price.

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and I can't think of a single example in the past ten years of someone who's made a significant difference on a Cup-winning team.

Bill Guerin last year in Pittsburgh is probably the best one that I can think of and it's the type of deal that you can make at the deadline. He was (is) a smart, capable veteran, who's been there, done that, and still has plenty left in the tank. Not a star by any means, but the type of guy who can step in to most any role needed and knows what its takes to win in the playoffs. Heck, he's still there doing just that (6 pts and +4 in 6 playoff games.) Plus, they got him for a conditional pick (5th if no playoffs, 4th if just one round, or 3rd if more than one round and he played more than 50% of games.)

 

Unfortunately, the closest equivalent this year - Ray Whitney - was supposedly priced at a 1st, plus an extension (to waive his NTC.)

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Bill Guerin last year in Pittsburgh is probably the best one that I can think of and it's the type of deal that you can make at the deadline. He was (is) a smart, capable veteran, who's been there, done that, and still has plenty left in the tank. Not a star by any means, but the type of guy who can step in to most any role needed and knows what its takes to win in the playoffs. Heck, he's still there doing just that (6 pts and +4 in 6 playoff games.) Plus, they got him for a conditional pick (5th if no playoffs, 4th if just one round, or 3rd if more than one round and he played more than 50% of games.)

 

Unfortunately, the closest equivalent this year - Ray Whitney - was supposedly priced at a 1st, plus an extension (to waive his NTC.)

You beat me to it.

 

I was just wondering, has any team ever won the Cup without someone who had won it before with another team?

shrader Hall of Famer

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You beat me to it.

 

I was just wondering, has any team ever won the Cup without someone who had won it before with another team?

 

Good luck researching that one. I'd say the very first team that won the cup, but that would be cheating.

Eleven Hall of Famer

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Phoenix won't put three by Howard in the third period tonight. I'm getting some sleep and looking forward to what should be an excellent game seven tomorrow.

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Bill Guerin last year in Pittsburgh is probably the best one that I can think of and it's the type of deal that you can make at the deadline. He was (is) a smart, capable veteran, who's been there, done that, and still has plenty left in the tank. Not a star by any means, but the type of guy who can step in to most any role needed and knows what its takes to win in the playoffs. Heck, he's still there doing just that (6 pts and +4 in 6 playoff games.) Plus, they got him for a conditional pick (5th if no playoffs, 4th if just one round, or 3rd if more than one round and he played more than 50% of games.)

 

Unfortunately, the closest equivalent this year - Ray Whitney - was supposedly priced at a 1st, plus an extension (to waive his NTC.)

 

Fair enough, good example - he was the highest scoring Penguin not named Malkin or Crosby in the playoffs.

 

I still think my point is true in most cases, though - that these deadline deals for impending free agents don't usually pay dividends, and have a high cost. It's not to say they should never be done, but the uproar over lack of movement at the deadline is overblown, I think. (Again, just to be clear...movement for a 'rental' player...not someone who's signed into the future.)

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That Detroit team was scary good.

What the H happened? Phoenix looked like world-beaters for three of those games.

 

Unfortunately, I missed the second & third periods. Time Warner decided to change our channel lineup (w/o telling us) and the only way I can watch VS is to have a digital box. Since I'm in bed by 10:30 and I don't have a digital box for the bedroom tv, I missed the end. I guess it wasn't worth it.

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I've already lost interest in the playoffs. Depending on the matchup, I may tune in every now and then, but IMO, hockey without the Sabres at least being alive, is no longer considered Must See TV.

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What the H happened? Phoenix looked like world-beaters for three of those games.

 

Unfortunately, I missed the second & third periods. Time Warner decided to change our channel lineup (w/o telling us) and the only way I can watch VS is to have a digital box. Since I'm in bed by 10:30 and I don't have a digital box for the bedroom tv, I missed the end. I guess it wasn't worth it.

Once it was 4-1, the Coyotes pretty much closed up shop and coasted the rest of the way. At least, that's how Detroit made it look. They had constant pressure, gave up very little and finished every chance that they had. To be fair, though, it's hard to snap back from failing to cash in on a lengthy 5-on-3, only to have the player come out of the box and score with less than 5 seconds left in the period.

 

As for the rest of the playoffs, I'm just watching to see if Hossa loses in the finals again. That would be a record that I could see never being broken.

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As for the rest of the playoffs, I'm just watching to see if Hossa loses in the finals again. That would be a record that I could see never being broken.

 

Modern era maybe, but it has to have happened before. St Louis lost in the finals 3 years in a row, 68-70. One guy with three different teams though, yeah, that's a tough one to dig up. The only name immediately coming to mind is Joe Juneau losing back to back cups with us and Washington. I'm sure there are plenty more, and even someone who pulled off three.

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One guy with three different teams though, yeah, that's a tough one to dig up.

Yeah, that's what I meant: three teams, three SCF losses. If it's been done before, though, I would guess that it was by a journeyman player, not a top-tier talent.

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Caps now 1-31 on the PP for the series. That's the #1 unit in the league in the regular season. 1-31. 0-19. Not much difference. And yet all the difference in the world.

 

GO SABRES!!!

 

P.S. As I type they have a chance to go 1-32.

 

Edit: Now 1-32. Still not as bad as 0-19 but then again, we sucked on the PP all year whereas the Caps were #1 in the league. Gotta hand it it the Habs. And I hate handing them anything.

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If you were to tell me when both the Caps-Canadiens and Sabres-Bruins series were 3-1, that one of them would come back to win in 7...I would've bet some SERIOUS money that it was us. Wow, indeed.

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Wow.

 

2-0 Canadiens...less than 4 minutes left.

 

Wow.

I can just hear Larry Quinn's excuse. now. "Look, New Jersey, Buffalo, Washington. We all lost. It was the year of the underdog. It was fate."

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