I Really Never Thought Badly Towards Canadian Fans

[blugold43]

To my Canadian brethren on this site: I hope this is not too much a paradox for you, but "F OOF!"...and also, congratulations on a great victory! :beer:

 

i am gutted that we lost this game, but I still love Canada and Canadians and I think your fans are just fine. If you were obnoxious and ill-mannered at times, let's all just remember...OUR LITTLE BROTHERS TO THE NORTH LEARNED IT FROM THE GREATEST OBNOXIOUS FRONTRUNNING BOORISH SPORTS FANS IN THE WORLD!!

 

:beer: MAYBE we hate each other right now because we're exactly alike. cheers to all and I hope 2014 is just as much fun.,

[Misanthrope]

I really never thought badly towards canada until these closing ceremonies. William Shatner and this SCTV ###### suck, and are insufferably smug. If you want to be that way, get some talented people, not these two bit hack ######.

[rickshaw]

To my Canadian brethren on this site: I hope this is not too much a paradox for you, but "F OOF!"...and also, congratulations on a great victory! :beer:

 

i am gutted that we lost this game, but I still love Canada and Canadians and I think your fans are just fine. If you were obnoxious and ill-mannered at times, let's all just remember...OUR LITTLE BROTHERS TO THE NORTH LEARNED IT FROM THE GREATEST OBNOXIOUS FRONTRUNNING BOORISH SPORTS FANS IN THE WORLD!!

 

:beer: MAYBE we hate each other right now because we're exactly alike. cheers to all and I hope 2014 is just as much fun.,

 

 

OUTSTANDING!

 

And apparently I need to inform some on this site (see the post following yours) that the closing ceremonies was a very tongue in cheek look at the way the world view Canada. I thought it was hilarious, but I said to my wife, that when they're I'm gonna go to the forum and read how someone just won't get it and make some stupid remark.

[Misanthrope]

Ha ha. That would be great, except it wasn't tongue in cheek. You can just admit that you were embarrassed by it, as any normal person would be. Canada has taken a very ugly turn in the last 10-15 years unfortunately, and it really came out during the games.

[JJFIVEOH]

In general, I think the US is one of the most arrogant countries on the planet. I think it's funny that people don't recognize the double standard when they point out the arrogance of others. :rolleyes:

[zow2]

I have no major problem with Canadian fans. They CARE about hockey more than any fan base around so for that reason alone I am ok with them. I am getting sick of that Crosby kid. He punked Miller in the Winter Classic shootout and now this. He's a great player, don't get me wrong but Crosby is really getting on my nerves. Everything always comes up roses for him.

[Dave Dryden]

Didn't we just figure out who the better team is?

 

For once, it's kind of interesting to be on the outside looking in at some of these comments.

 

I'm sure I've made similar comments in a state of sports dejection.

No, I don't think so. What was decided is who got the gold medal under a certain set of circumstances with certain rules on who is the winner. Don't mean to be Zen, but if the rules of the 1980 Olympics were still in place, the USA would have got the gold.

 

In 1980, the US won the gold, but it never occured to me to say "the better team won." The US was brilliant in winning the gold, but a better team--no. They play that game against the USSR 20 times and the US wins 2-3 at most. Better teams lose routinely--heck Alydar even beat Affirmed sometimes-- but better horse, no way(except at stud).

 

So when Rickshaw proclaims the Canadians were the "better team," I think that is just BS. They scraped by once in OT with a huge home ice advantage. 7 games series with the next 3 in , say Buffalo, I like the US chances. Nothing profound here, just a point of clarification.

[Dave Dryden]

Rubber match?

I'd by a ticket for that.

[Dave Dryden]

OUTSTANDING!

 

And apparently I need to inform some on this site (see the post following yours) that the closing ceremonies was a very tongue in cheek look at the way the world view Canada. I thought it was hilarious, but I said to my wife, that when they're I'm gonna go to the forum and read how someone just won't get it and make some stupid remark.

Canadian fans are fine. I mean fans are fans--they do rude and stupid things everwhere. It is the nature of being a FANatic. There are fans in many US cities that are so obnoxious it is beyond reason.

 

You need look no further than this board to see all the stupid things we all do as proof of boorish behavior by Fans. Congrats again on the win in that awesome game yesterday--I'd love to see a few more of those kind of games.

[Stoner]

No, I don't think so. What was decided is who got the gold medal under a certain set of circumstances with certain rules on who is the winner. Don't mean to be Zen, but if the rules of the 1980 Olympics were still in place, the USA would have got the gold.

 

In 1980, the US won the gold, but it never occured to me to say "the better team won." The US was brilliant in winning the gold, but a better team--no. They play that game against the USSR 20 times and the US wins 2-3 at most. Better teams lose routinely--heck Alydar even beat Affirmed sometimes-- but better horse, no way(except at stud).

 

So when Rickshaw proclaims the Canadians were the "better team," I think that is just BS. They scraped by once in OT with a huge home ice advantage. 7 games series with the next 3 in , say Buffalo, I like the US chances. Nothing profound here, just a point of clarification.

 

So the "better" team exists only on paper. It cannot be determined on the ice, in one "deciding" game?

[nobody]

So the "better" team exists only on paper. It cannot be determined on the ice, in one "deciding" game?

 

Depends on how you are using the term "better team".

 

For the last game Canada was the better team since they won. The game before that the US was the better team since they won. Canada was the better team based on their players career statistics coming into the Olympics. US was the better team going into the gold medal game based on their record in the tournament.

[Dave Dryden]

So the "better" team exists only on paper. It cannot be determined on the ice, in one "deciding" game?

I would say in a single elimination tournament that the exercise is more about the excitement and determining a winner than finding out who is the best team. I am used to horse racing, where horses win and lose all the time. Mine that Bird won the Derby last year--was he the best 3 year old...not by a long shot.

 

In a best of 7, you are getting closer to finding out the best team, as well as a winner. Given a large enough sample size, equating winner with best trends towards being more accurate.

 

The genesis of this was Rickshaw's statement that the better team won yeaterday--which in itself suggests the better team does not always win. I was simply saying that eking out a win in overtime on home ice, after losing to that team before on home ice, does not demonstrate who is superior. In fact Ron Wilson said after the game yesterday that the better team does not always win the gold--not that what he says is right, but it illustrates the point rather nicely.

[DR HOLLIDAY]

I would say in a single elimination tournament that the exercise is more about the excitement and determining a winner than finding out who is the best team. I am used to horse racing, where horses win and lose all the time. Mine that Bird won the Derby last year--was he the best 3 year old...not by a long shot.

 

In a best of 7, you are getting closer to finding out the best team, as well as a winner. Given a large enough sample size, equating winner with best trends towards being more accurate.

 

The genesis of this was Rickshaw's statement that the better team won yeaterday--which in itself suggests the better team does not always win. I was simply saying that eking out a win in overtime on home ice, after losing to that team before on home ice, does not demonstrate who is superior. In fact Ron Wilson said after the game yesterday that the better team does not always win the gold--not that what he says is right, but it illustrates the point rather nicely.

 

Wilson is just pissed that he now has to go and coach the Leaftards....... :beer:

[Stoner]

I would say in a single elimination tournament that the exercise is more about the excitement and determining a winner than finding out who is the best team. I am used to horse racing, where horses win and lose all the time. Mine that Bird won the Derby last year--was he the best 3 year old...not by a long shot.

 

In a best of 7, you are getting closer to finding out the best team, as well as a winner. Given a large enough sample size, equating winner with best trends towards being more accurate.

 

The genesis of this was Rickshaw's statement that the better team won yeaterday--which in itself suggests the better team does not always win. I was simply saying that eking out a win in overtime on home ice, after losing to that team before on home ice, does not demonstrate who is superior. In fact Ron Wilson said after the game yesterday that the better team does not always win the gold--not that what he says is right, but it illustrates the point rather nicely.

OK, OK. Canada was the better team yesterday, in the biggest game. How's that? Are we talking about this if the U.S. had won?

[Dave Dryden]

OK, OK. Canada was the better team yesterday, in the biggest game. How's that? Are we talking about this if the U.S. had won?

Probably not. If the US had beaten Canada twice in the same tournament, then the "whose better" issue, while still there, becomes more academic because it was not a split decision. But when two teams split two games and the US outscores them 7-6, it is pretty hard for me to accept a flat out statement the "better team won." I am happy to accept Canada won the game that decided the gold, and for that reason they definitely deserved the gold medal and they should be proud. Whether they were/are a superior team...not so much.

 

It's not a big deal. They have the gold and they have the glory that goes with that... and that's what counts with most people and the media. It really does not matter, on that score, which team is better is some academic sense.

[Stoner]

Probably not. If the US had beaten Canada twice in the same tournament, then the "whose better" issue, while still there, becomes more academic because it was not a split decision. But when two teams split two games and the US outscores them 7-6, it is pretty hard for me to accept a flat out statement the "better team won." I am happy to accept Canada won the game that decided the gold, and for that reason they definitely deserved the gold medal and they should be proud. Whether they were/are a superior team...not so much.

 

It's not a big deal. They have the gold and they have the glory that goes with that... and that's what counts with most people and the media. It really does not matter, on that score, which team is better is some academic sense.

 

I'm happy that you accept the fact that Canada won the game. Mighty white of ya.

[SwampD]

Just a quick question, did the ref get the secondary assist on that play? Boy, it's one thing to get in the way of a puck and it's another to do what he did. I know it's just a bad bounce but he really made that play.

[Dave Dryden]

I'm happy that you accept the fact that Canada won the game. Mighty white of ya.

You really are grumpy for such a young person. Never seen someone so intent on being so old before their time.

[Two or less]

I have no problem with Canada. I think the games were pretty bad overall, from the idiotic luge/bobsled hill to the weather (why such a warm city won the games????), to lot of controversy in officiating in several events, some involving Canadians, but, Canadian fans (besides the curling fans who disrespected the Swedes) were great. They packed every stadium and they supported the games. I have friends who went to the games and they only had great things to say about British Columbia and the people of Canada. The people of the host country truly make or break the games and the people of Canada made it. I don't think their fans were disrespectful at all.

 

As for hockey, after the loss to the States, Canada had a very tough road to the final and they killed everyone in their way. Even the 1-goal win vs. Slovakia was lopsided for anyone who watched it. The Slovaks had no business in being in that game. Hockey is their game. The thing is, they LOVE hockey. People in American are FANS of a sport. Football in America is KING. Hockey in Canada is a religion. People in the States like football for many reasons, gambling or because it's an excuse to tailgate, or to start pounding beers at noon on Sunday, or invite friends to grill out.... people across the border love hockey because they love the game, they respect it. I've heard many Canadian callers today on US national sports shows and all are very respectful and give credit to Miller and the way USA played.

 

No doubt Canada is much more respectful then we would have been if we had won. The better team did win.

[Two or less]

I would say in a single elimination tournament that the exercise is more about the excitement and determining a winner than finding out who is the best team. I am used to horse racing, where horses win and lose all the time. Mine that Bird won the Derby last year--was he the best 3 year old...not by a long shot.

 

In a best of 7, you are getting closer to finding out the best team, as well as a winner. Given a large enough sample size, equating winner with best trends towards being more accurate.

 

The genesis of this was Rickshaw's statement that the better team won yeaterday--which in itself suggests the better team does not always win. I was simply saying that eking out a win in overtime on home ice, after losing to that team before on home ice, does not demonstrate who is superior. In fact Ron Wilson said after the game yesterday that the better team does not always win the gold--not that what he says is right, but it illustrates the point rather nicely.

 

The better team did win. Don't fool yourself. What separates the good teams from the great teams is that the great teams find a way through adversity to win. USA looked very tight in the 1st period and much of the 2nd. They looked nervous and scared and could not generate anything. After Parise's goal in the 3rd with .24 seconds left, Canada looked to be dead. They came out in the over-time period like it was nothing. They dominated play again. USA only had 1 decent chance in OT, Canada had several.

[Stoner]

You really are grumpy for such a young person. Never seen someone so intent on being so old before their time.

 

You don't know how old I am.

[Buffalo Fan]

How dare Canadians be passionate about their sport. How dare they.

 

Win or lose on Sunday, hockey will ALWAYS be our game. Canada is the hockey capital of the world and winning or losing a gold medal doesn't change that.

 

Get off your soapbox.

 

Just once when you watch your American broadcasts on your teams or athletes, try looking at it from another country's perspective.

 

Canada gets passionate about very little and I won't apologize for our love for the game. But Americans shove their patriotism down everyone's throat in almost everything they do.

 

Get over yourself. Let Canada enjoy their games and their hockey team. Just be thankful that Canada loves hockey as much as they do because without us, there is no NHL! Period. Our country loves hockey in all corners of the map. Your country likes bowling better. Shame on you.

 

Good luck on Sunday. USA will probably win, but that's ok if they do. It won't matter in the end, just like it didn't matter when you won the World Cup of hockey. Canada's game. Now and always.

 

Dude, I don't mind anyone being passionate about their sport...however, when the US is playing Finland in the semis and a bunch of American fans start chanting USA! only to be drowned out by boos from the CANADIAN fans attending the game, I think it's a little much. Go ahead, be proud. You've got a nice tradition going. But the next time you guys (and not just Canadians on this point either) start slaping terms like "ugly Americans" around, please be sure to look in the mirror first.

[Buffalo Fan]

No, I don't think so. What was decided is who got the gold medal under a certain set of circumstances with certain rules on who is the winner. Don't mean to be Zen, but if the rules of the 1980 Olympics were still in place, the USA would have got the gold.

 

In 1980, the US won the gold, but it never occured to me to say "the better team won." The US was brilliant in winning the gold, but a better team--no. They play that game against the USSR 20 times and the US wins 2-3 at most. Better teams lose routinely--heck Alydar even beat Affirmed sometimes-- but better horse, no way(except at stud).

 

So when Rickshaw proclaims the Canadians were the "better team," I think that is just BS. They scraped by once in OT with a huge home ice advantage. 7 games series with the next 3 in , say Buffalo, I like the US chances. Nothing profound here, just a point of clarification.

 

 

I do have a question about the rules...why was the rink NHL size instead of the usual larger rink? Did Turin do this? Salt Lake?

[Sabre Dance]

. Hockey is their game. The thing is, they LOVE hockey. People in American are FANS of a sport. Football in America is KING. Hockey in Canada is a religion. People in the States like football for many reasons, gambling or because it's an excuse to tailgate, or to start pounding beers at noon on Sunday, or invite friends to grill out.... people across the border love hockey because they love the game, they respect it.

 

Well, baseball is (or was) "America's pastime"; however, the USA has regularly gotten their butt kicked in international competitions. When it's happened, the entire country hasn't gone into mourning. I think the thing that is a little...well, disappointing...is that when Canadian national hockey teams do well, it is because it is "their game". When Canadian teams do not fare well (this year's junior championships), it is "an aberration" or the team underacheived. You can't have it both ways. The game may have been born in Canada, but millions of people play it all over the world. In any given international tournament, Canada will do well sometimes; other countries will have their turn. I guess if Canadian Olympic hockey teams were as superior was their fans seem to believe, then they probably should have won more gold medals. (Oops! Did I say that out loud?)

 

Actually, the way it turned out is probably good for everyone. If the USA had won in overtime, we'd probably hear some static about it being a "lucky shot" or some such. If Canada had won in regulation, the USA would have been chided relentlessly about being inferior. As it stands, the US team gave Canada a bit of a scare by taking it to overtime. I think that overall it was an awesome tournament and both the USA AND Canada should be proud of their teams. The hockey was fast, exciting and very entertaining. But I swear, if I hear Don Cherry gloating over the gold medal, I'm not buying any more "Rock 'em, Sock 'em Hockey" DVDs...........:D

[Dave Dryden]

You don't know how old I am.

You indicate you were born in April 1975-- so you are 34. But I suppose that could be a lie, so I guess I don't know.