Cereal Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 I think we should bring back every single ex-Sabre who is still active in the league. Just to play it safe, we should go after some that are now coaches at any level now too, guys like Cunneyworth, Houda, and Corkum. We've already got James Patrick under contract :w00t:
SabresIndy Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Leave the roster alone, except for maybe a scorer at the deadline as a rental. I love the way this team is built, except for the power play. I couldn't agree more. Lalime certainly had his issues early in the year, but it would be refreshing to embrace success for once. We're a top team in the East, winning close games, no one except Miller having a all-star season...let's just enjoy/accept that this team is pretty good as-is. I'm sure that will stop the Lalime posts. :thumbsup:
Grinder42 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Let's not forget it was less than 3 weeks ago Miller got yanked and lalime saved the day against a formidable opponent! I do agree...nothing would make me happier than seeing Vanek and his Salary gone! Cut our losses! Does anyone notice how 26 has one gear when he has an offensive opportunity and a completely different gear back checking. When he back checks he reminds me of Dave Andreychuck! Our only Weak spot is 26 and Depth at D! Sekera is not a top 6 if we need him. Buffalo is around tenth in nhl scoring and this is Patrick Lalime's first bad game in a while. Buffalo loses one game and we need this and we need that. Darcy will not bring in a 40 or 50 goal scorer and risk messing with the chemistry. This team is good very good and with the best goalie in the world they could go very deep in the playoffs.
deluca67 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Mediocre career? Do you just make this stuff up? 199 wins, 35 shutouts, 21 playoff wins and a career sv. percentage over .9. He had two good years with the Sens and was the main reason they couldn't get to the Cup. Beyond that he is a nondescript as Bob Essensa. I would consider T-Bo mediocre as well even with his 238 wins, 39 shutouts and .904 save percentage. You need to do a lot more than hang around for a bunch of years scrapping meaningless numbers together not to be considered mediocre.
shrader Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Wait just a minute... Lalime drew a STUPID penalty last night by giving a guy a shot to the boys. That made it 5 on 3. He lost his composure. He ate a goal as a result of a very long PK. Other than that stupid play, I'm okay with his play. Buffalo was overdue for that start and Anaheim was the perfect team to deliver it. He didn't lose his cool. He does that all the time. It never comes across on tv, but if you see him play in person, you'll see that a few times.
X. Benedict Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 He had two good years with the Sens and was the main reason they couldn't get to the Cup. Beyond that he is a nondescript as Bob Essensa. I would consider T-Bo mediocre as well even with his 238 wins, 39 shutouts and .904 save percentage. You need to do a lot more than hang around for a bunch of years scrapping meaningless numbers together not to be considered mediocre. <_< Except for the 5 years in his prime and being best player the Sens ever had in the playoffs - he was pretty mediocre. Did you ever watch games that the Sabres didn't play in? The guy absolutely stood on his head when the Sens were making runs pre-lockout in his Marvin the Martian years. He was their best player. He probably could have won the Hart one of those years and nobody would have blinked an eye. Anyway...none of this ever makes a difference in your world.
wonderbread Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 It appears that Lalime is ineffective in the backup role. He appears to need work to stay sharp. Biron would look good now. I think we are one 40-50 goal scorer away from having a top club. Briere would be nice to have back. Ok I talked to Darcy he has a deal in place w/ The Caps. OV for Ellis, Mair and Paetsch. The kicker is that we have to take their 1st pick in the draft too. :ph34r:
deluca67 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 <_< Except for the 5 years in his prime and being best player the Sens ever had in the playoffs - he was pretty mediocre. Did you ever watch games that the Sabres didn't play in? The guy absolutely stood on his head when the Sens were making runs pre-lockout in his Marvin the Martian years. He was their best player. He probably could have won the Hart one of those years and nobody would have blinked an eye. Anyway...none of this ever makes a difference in your world. Five Seasons. Missed playoffs in year one. Swept in four straight the second year. Had a decent third going 7-5. Lost in second round. Better fourth, 11-7 lost in third round. Fifth year lost game seven of round one. He was on a very talented team that could score and played great team defense. He was a accessory not a integral part. Hart Trophy? You are trying way too hard. How many votes did he get? Theodore or Threeorfour actually won a Hart Trophy during that time. "Nobody would have blinked a eye?" Nobody but the fans, players and voters. Keep drinking :beer:
dick Posted January 21, 2010 Author Report Posted January 21, 2010 Look, here's the point. We have a good team. But would not it be nice to win a Stanley Cup? We have a tendency to start slow, and have a goal scored on us early. Then we fight back, play great hockey and invariably win. That's done with great goaltending, and checking. It would be great to have a top offensive force on our side; i. e. an "Ovechkin" type. Somebody that can take the pressure off of Miller on any given night. We are close to having a championship roster now. Fill it out with one hot 50 goal scorer, and this team has a chance to ride Miller to the Cup. Miller is having a career year, playing his sharpest hockey ever. You may not see that next year. Seize the time now!
JujuFish Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Look, here's the point. We have a good team. But would not it be nice to win a Stanley Cup? We have a tendency to start slow, and have a goal scored on us early. Then we fight back, play great hockey and invariably win. That's done with great goaltending, and checking. It would be great to have a top offensive force on our side; i. e. an "Ovechkin" type. Somebody that can take the pressure off of Miller on any given night. We are close to having a championship roster now. Fill it out with one hot 50 goal scorer, and this team has a chance to ride Miller to the Cup. Miller is having a career year, playing his sharpest hockey ever. You may not see that next year. Seize the time now! Do you know how many 50 goal scorers there were last year? One, Ovechkin.
BetweenThePipes00 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Look, here's the point. We have a good team. But would not it be nice to win a Stanley Cup? We have a tendency to start slow, and have a goal scored on us early. Then we fight back, play great hockey and invariably win. That's done with great goaltending, and checking. It would be great to have a top offensive force on our side; i. e. an "Ovechkin" type. Somebody that can take the pressure off of Miller on any given night. We are close to having a championship roster now. Fill it out with one hot 50 goal scorer, and this team has a chance to ride Miller to the Cup. Miller is having a career year, playing his sharpest hockey ever. You may not see that next year. Seize the time now! Sure, but to get an "Ovechkin" type who scores 50 goals, they would have to give up so much that it's not even the same team anymore. It's not like they are getting a 50-goal guy for a prospect and a draft pick. Plus you are adding $8-10 million to the payroll, which may prevent you from keeping Tyler Myers in a couple years. I am not saying they should not make some moves, but there are things they can do to make this team better for the playoffs other than getting a superstar and changing the entire culture of the team.
carpandean Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 It would be great to have a top offensive force on our side; i. e. an "Ovechkin" type. Somebody that can take the pressure off of Miller on any given night. We are close to having a championship roster now. Fill it out with one hot 50 goal scorer ... Ovechkin type? You do know that he's arguably the best forward in the game? Teams covet players who play like Ovechkin and score 30 goals, much less 50! There are, actually, very few 50-goal scorers in the league. Here are a list of the 50-goal scorers since the lockout: Cheechoo, Jagr, Ovechkin (3), Heatley (2), Lecavalier, Kovalchuk (2), Iginla. Cheechoo hasn't done anything since that 2005-06 season, Jagr is in Russia, Oveckin is untouchable, Heatley isn't leaving San Jose and Iginla isn't going anywhere. Despite the rumors to the contrary, I'm fairly certain the Lecavlier isn't going anywhere either, but if he does, there are tons of other teams that want him and I wouldn't want that contract. That leaves Kovalchuk and that option has been talked to death. Heck, even the list of almost-50-goal scorers is short. For example, Teemu Selanne had 48 in 2006-07, but hasn't been close since.
BetweenThePipes00 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 It's funny this is basically the same team, offensiively, as the last two seasons, and all everyone wanted was better defense and more grit .... now all of a sudden, basically just because Vanek is in a major slump, everyone wants more offense. At this point last season (or at least on this DATE, i understand the number of games might be off a little), Vanek had 28 goals ... this year he has 13. Last season the Sabres averaged 2.91 goals per game (not including the "goal" given for shootout wins) ... this year they average 2.79. If Vanek had just 17 goals instead of 13, they would be EXACTLY where they were last season. This team does not need to add a 40-50 goal scorer. They DO need Vanek to get hot, or at least get "average" production for him ... and no doubt, a PP quarterback would probably help in this regard. So adding a defenseman with this ability who is not horrible in his own end would be huge. But another well-rounded, gritty forward, possibly one who can win faceoffs, is needed much more than another 30 or 40-goal guy who may hurt you in your own end.
deluca67 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Ovechkin type? You do know that he's arguably the best forward in the game? Teams covet players who play like Ovechkin and score 30 goals, much less 50! There are, actually, very few 50-goal scorers in the league. Here are a list of the 50-goal scorers since the lockout: Cheechoo, Jagr, Ovechkin (3), Heatley (2), Lecavalier, Kovalchuk (2), Iginla. Cheechoo hasn't done anything since that 2005-06 season, Jagr is in Russia, Oveckin is untouchable, Heatley isn't leaving San Jose and Iginla isn't going anywhere. Despite the rumors to the contrary, I'm fairly certain the Lecavlier isn't going anywhere either, but if he does, there are tons of other teams that want him and I wouldn't want that contract. That leaves Kovalchuk and that option has been talked to death. Heck, even the list of almost-50-goal scorers is short. For example, Teemu Selanne had 48 in 2006-07, but hasn't been close since. That is the way it should be. I like that not every team has a 50 goal scorer or a 100 point guy. I hate in sports when milestones become insignificant. Like rushing for 1,000 yards in the NFL. It doesn't mean what it used to.
nucci Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Look, here's the point. We have a good team. But would not it be nice to win a Stanley Cup? We have a tendency to start slow, and have a goal scored on us early. Then we fight back, play great hockey and invariably win. That's done with great goaltending, and checking. It would be great to have a top offensive force on our side; i. e. an "Ovechkin" type. Somebody that can take the pressure off of Miller on any given night. We are close to having a championship roster now. Fill it out with one hot 50 goal scorer, and this team has a chance to ride Miller to the Cup. Miller is having a career year, playing his sharpest hockey ever. You may not see that next year. Seize the time now! as opposed to a cold 50 goal scorer?
shrader Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 That is the way it should be. I like that not every team has a 50 goal scorer or a 100 point guy. I hate in sports when milestones become insignificant. Like rushing for 1,000 yards in the NFL. It doesn't mean what it used to. Well, thanks to the defensive explosion of the last 15 or so years, I think we might be able to say that the milestones are insignificant for the exact opposite reason. They're either impossible to achieve anymore or the target has been lowered a bit. It's kind of funny how hockey has gone the completely opposite direction of all the other sports.
X. Benedict Posted January 21, 2010 Report Posted January 21, 2010 Five Seasons. Missed playoffs in year one. Swept in four straight the second year. Had a decent third going 7-5. Lost in second round. Better fourth, 11-7 lost in third round. Fifth year lost game seven of round one. He was on a very talented team that could score and played great team defense. He was a accessory not a integral part. Hart Trophy? You are trying way too hard. How many votes did he get? Theodore or Threeorfour actually won a Hart Trophy during that time. "Nobody would have blinked a eye?" Nobody but the fans, players and voters. Keep drinking :beer: Okay.....but by your accounting Mike Richter would have had a less than mediocre career.
deluca67 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Posted January 22, 2010 Okay.....but by your accounting Mike Richter would have had a less than mediocre career. Mike Richter was a .500 goalie outside of his one outstanding year.
X. Benedict Posted January 22, 2010 Report Posted January 22, 2010 Mike Richter was a .500 goalie outside of his one outstanding year. :rolleyes: I guess that leaves about 10 players who have ever had a good career in goal. No wonder it is so hard to find a good backup if a 12 year starter doesn't cut it.
gsx95red Posted January 22, 2010 Report Posted January 22, 2010 :rolleyes: I guess that leaves about 10 players who have ever had a good career in goal. No wonder it is so hard to find a good backup if a 12 year starter doesn't cut it. I don't think there is ANY question that Biron is a better backup than Lalime at this point in their careers. All it will take is for Gomez to run Miller again and we could realistically miss the playoffs THIS year! Lalime is in the last year of his contract, Biron only makes $1.4MM which pro rated is next to nothing. This could get done for next to nothing, I'm sure the Isles will be good to Biron and move him where he wants to go, since he basically signed with them knowing this would happen when Dipietro came back. Biron still lives in Buffalo. Everything screams that this will happen...
inkman Posted January 22, 2010 Report Posted January 22, 2010 Biron only makes $1.4MM which pro rated is next to nothing. Still counts $1.4 mill against the cap. If they make this move, salary will have to be dropped in order to make any other moves.
shrader Posted January 22, 2010 Report Posted January 22, 2010 I don't think there is ANY question that Biron is a better backup than Lalime at this point in their careers. Care to justify that one? Both players have nearly identical number over the last two seasons. I just don't see anything that makes Marty clearly better than Lalime at this point.
LabattBlue Posted January 22, 2010 Report Posted January 22, 2010 Care to justify that one? Both players have nearly identical number over the last two seasons. I just don't see anything that makes Marty clearly better than Lalime at this point. People forget that Marty backstopped this team to 3 straight years of no playoffs. I am not sure if he would be much of an improvement, but if they can bring him in for a 5th round pick and/or a prospect like Mancari or Persson, I'd give it a shot. The only problem would be, what do you do with Lalime?
carpandean Posted January 22, 2010 Report Posted January 22, 2010 Care to justify that one? Both players have nearly identical number over the last two seasons. I just don't see anything that makes Marty clearly better than Lalime at this point. Personality? Comedian (Marty) vs. "nice guy" (Lalime).
shrader Posted January 22, 2010 Report Posted January 22, 2010 People forget that Marty backstopped this team to 3 straight years of no playoffs. I am not sure if he would be much of an improvement, but if they can bring him in for a 5th round pick of a prospect like Mancari or Persson, I'd give it a shot.The only problem would be, what do you do with Lalime? I'm not sure what that has to do with being a good backup though. Starting and backing up are two very different situations. Personality? Comedian (Marty) vs. "nice guy" (Lalime). I thought about that when I wrote my post. I think it's pretty much a wash. The guys on this team seem to genuinely like Lalime. You can see it in the celebrations after each game. He's always right out there chatting it up with Miller and a couple other guys.
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