Trade Target Watch

[Two or less]

Trades that win Stanley Cups are nuts and bolts ones that bring in somebody like Doug Weight, second line character players. Wieght was the only one in recent memory that I think made a great difference to winning a cup, and that was 4 years ago.

 

Ask Atlanta and Tchucuk (they never recovered from that one), Forsberg and Nashville, I could go on....

 

Most players take a year or two to make an impact apart from their original clubs. That's why its a team game.

 

I'm interested to see how it works out, but 28 other teams passed on Kovy too.

 

I couldn't have said it better. Darcy Regier is right about his logic of you build your team in the summer and just tweak it a bit during the season towards your needs. The most recent mid-season rental/big name player addition that i remember having a great deal of success was Marian Hossa going to Pittsburgh in the Colby Armstrong deal. Although, Hossa struggled during the regular seasons (3 goals in 12 games), he was very valuable to the Pens in the playoffs. Chemistry is a major factor in hockey. I've always thought deadline day should be Mid-January. I do think we can improve this team, such as, adding a defensmen to help the PP or adding a veteran for grit, some goal scoring and leadership.

[Taro T]

Trades that win Stanley Cups are nuts and bolts ones that bring in somebody like Doug Weight, second line character players. Wieght was the only one in recent memory that I think made a great difference to winning a cup, and that was 4 years ago.

 

Ask Atlanta and Tchucuk (they never recovered from that one), Forsberg and Nashville, I could go on....

 

Most players take a year or two to make an impact apart from their original clubs. That's why its a team game.

 

I'm interested to see how it works out, but 28 other teams passed on Kovy too.

Considering where the Sabres are at this year, I'd expect to see Darcy trying for more of a Gilmour style trade that got the team to the door a year after the trade than a Juneau style trade that was specifically for that current season. Yeah, I know the Sabres lost in the 2nd round in '01 but the Devils were scared ----less to face Buffalo that year, and the Sabres beat Colorado in Colorado late that year w/ Marty in net. If they had Peca or something equivalent, there is no doubt in my mind that THAT was the year.

[deluca67]

It's been a while since we've seen a good old-fashioned hysterical rant. Darned refreshing. One question: was it guaranteed to happen unless the Sabres traded for Kovy?

 

Since I think you both know that no one here or within the Sabres organization is happy just to make the playoffs, where we really are is right back to the question of whether splashy moves result in Cups. The answer is almost always no.

That is BS. I think the Sabres are just happy making the playoffs. And as far as a "splashy move?" I'll take Lou's opinion in New Jersey over anyone in the Sabres front office. Lou is about winning Cups. Teams like the Sabres keep selling their fans on future and promises of winning a Cup some day. Lou doesn't make promises. He just wins Cups. If Lou thinks Kovy can win him a Cup you can bet your a$$ it was the right move. Again, that's OK. For those that believe that this lame front office will win a Cup 3 - 5- 10 years from now, don't let me spoil your party. I'll just keep watching real GMs build real contenders and win actual Stanley Cups.

[deluca67]

I don't think NJ took a great step forward (I may be wrong), and I'm happy to know that this thread might now turn into a discussion about players that (1) are realistic options and (2) might actually help the Sabres, rather than Kovalchuk.

Why would the most talented player available this season help the Sabres? God forbid he takes ice time away from all the great ( :sick: threw up a little in my mouth) talent the Sabres have in their forward ranks. I'm sure the next Dominic Moore or Bob Corkum will lead this team to a Stanley Cup.

[deluca67]

Darcy Regier is right about his logic of you build your team in the summer and just tweak it a bit during the season towards your needs.

I ask again, what has that gotten this franchise? The answer is NOTHING. Unless you consider 3 playoff appearances in 8 years something.

[SwampD]

"If Lindy is given the right players and he can win us the Cup."

 

How long have we heard this? The problem is, there are no players that fit his system. Every time a good player is available all we hear is how he wouldn't fit Lindy's system. Maybe he should try getting the players and change his system to fit them.

 

I know he would love the players on Detroit, but the problem is that they are already playing for Detroit. So here's my question, what players out there (available or not) WOULD fit his system?

[static70]

"If Lindy is given the right players and he can win us the Cup."

 

How long have we heard this? The problem is, there are no players that fit his system. Every time a good player is available all we hear is how he wouldn't fit Lindy's system. Maybe he should try getting the players and change his system to fit them.

 

I know he would love the players on Detroit, but the problem is that they are already playing for Detroit. So here's my question, what players out there (available or not) WOULD fit his system?

Dominic Moore and Bob Corkum :lol:

 

Truth is, we aren't winning a Cup this year, next year or in the next 5 years unless we build a team that can handle the Wash./Pitt. situation in the conference. NJ addressed that problem this week for this season. Although I must admit, Darcy did bring Briere and Drury here, he let them walk (for nothing I might add) and here we go again. If this organization truly believes it can continue to sell this current roster as a product to the fans Darcy won't make any major moves.

 

I don't honestly see any major acquisition by this organization through a trade. We fans will be sold a bill of goods on a 3rd line player at best. Its been the same old story for 9 out of the dozen years Darcy has been the GM.

[SwampD]

Dominic Moore and Bob Corkum :lol:

 

Truth is, we aren't winning a Cup this year, next year or in the next 5 years unless we build a team that can handle the Wash./Pitt. situation in the conference. NJ addressed that problem this week for this season. Although I must admit, Darcy did bring Briere and Drury here, he let them walk (for nothing I might add) and here we go again. If this organization truly believes it can continue to sell this current roster as a product to the fans Darcy won't make any major moves.

 

I don't honestly see any major acquisition by this organization through a trade. We fans will be sold a bill of goods on a 3rd line player at best. Its been the same old story for 9 out of the dozen years Darcy has been the GM.

Drury WAS Dominic Moore before he got here.

[Stoner]

It's been a while since we've seen a good old-fashioned hysterical rant. Darned refreshing. One question: was it guaranteed to happen unless the Sabres traded for Kovy?

 

Since I think you both know that no one here or within the Sabres organization is happy just to make the playoffs, where we really are is right back to the question of whether splashy moves result in Cups. The answer is almost always no.

 

OK, well, the obvious question is: if the Sabres make the playoffs and lose in the first round, how will ownership's "unhappiness" manifest itself?

[deluca67]

OK, well, the obvious question is: if the Sabres make the playoffs and lose in the first round, how will ownership's "unhappiness" manifest itself?

The problem is that OSP is much like Ralph Wilson, neither one remembers he owns a professional sports franchise. :wallbash:

[Stoner]

The problem is that OSP is much like Ralph Wilson, neither one remembers he owns a professional sports franchise. :wallbash:

 

lmao Great line.

[Rip Titwide]

Wasnt there some sort of "top to bottom review" of the franchise last summer? Were we not all under the impression that Ruff and Regier get one more shot to prove that their players and their system would compete or more specifically, make the postseason? Well, here we are. First in the division, challenging for first in the Conf. Hello comfort zone! Jobs are safe for another year. The front office has been vindicated, and can now stick to its guns and "look internally" and "get help from within" because they were right all along. Everyone just needed to be patient. Are we surprised?

Its just my feeling. I doubt we go into the playoffs without a small change here or there, but that article this morning is very telling of the mind set that DR is in. Its sickening to me. I wasnt on board with Kovy, but I have to concede that that deal makes us the weakest contender in the Conf. and I do not have much have no confidence in DR to answer it.

We'll get our 2010 version of Dominic Moore for one of our UFA's. They'll both go elsewhere in the summer and they'll draft somewhere in the bottom 10 of the first round and get another soft LW.

This is getting too predictable.

[LabattBlue]

Wasnt there some sort of "top to bottom review" of the franchise last summer? Were we not all under the impression that Ruff and Regier get one more shot to prove that their players and their system would compete or more specifically, make the postseason? Well, here we are. First in the division, challenging for first in the Conf. Hello comfort zone! Jobs are safe for another year. The front office has been vindicated, and can now stick to its guns and "look internally" and "get help from within" because they were right all along. Everyone just needed to be patient. Are we surprised?

Its just my feeling. I doubt we go into the playoffs without a small change here or there, but that article this morning is very telling of the mind set that DR is in. Its sickening to me. I wasnt on board with Kovy, but I have to concede that that deal makes us the weakest contender in the Conf. and I do not have much have no confidence in DR to answer it.

We'll get our 2010 version of Dominic Moore for one of our UFA's. They'll both go elsewhere in the summer and they'll draft somewhere in the bottom 10 of the first round and get another soft LW.

This is getting too predictable.

The scariest thing about this years playoffs...

 

IF the Sabres win in the 1st round and then get smoked by Pittsburgh, Washington or New Jersey in Round 2, is that considered progress, therefore, status guo for 10-11?

[Eleven]

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Why would the most talented player available this season help the Sabres? God forbid he takes ice time away from all the great ( :sick: threw up a little in my mouth) talent the Sabres have in their forward ranks. I'm sure the next Dominic Moore or Bob Corkum will lead this team to a Stanley Cup.

 

 

http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/16462-game-discussion-thread/page__view__findpost__p__183833

 

 

and

 

 

http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/16462-game-discussion-thread/page__view__findpost__p__184107

 

As you acknowledged, mortgaging the future for Kovy is not a good idea.

[darksabre]

The scariest thing about this years playoffs...

 

IF the Sabres win in the 1st round and then get smoked by Pittsburgh, Washington or New Jersey in Round 2, is that considered progress, therefore, status guo for 10-11?

 

If this happens, I get worried.

[Sabre Dance]

"If Lindy is given the right players and he can win us the Cup."

 

I know he would love the players on Detroit, but the problem is that they are already playing for Detroit.

 

Don't forget, the players in Detroit do not have Lindy as a coach - they have Mike Babcock (you know, the guy who Lindy got some of his current coaching philosphy from?) Maybe it is not the players Buffalo has OR the coach they have. Maybe it is the combination of the two.

Hmm. Since we can't do a wholesale change of players, that just leaves.....well, you know.

 

Oh, by the way - now that Brian Burke has shown that there actually CAN be trades made in the NHL, now is the time for Darcy to show what he's made of. If he can wheel and deal and get us some scoring help and maybe a quarterback for the power play (a better backup goalie would be good, too but let's not get ahead of ourselves), maybe the Sabres won't completely fold down the stretch. If he stands pat, I say it is time for him and Lindy to be shown the door. Sorry, this is a "what have you done for us lately" league and if they can't get things on track after a decade plus, it is time to say bye-bye.

[X. Benedict]

Don't forget, the players in Detroit do not have Lindy as a coach - they have Mike Babcock (you know, the guy who Lindy got some of his current coaching philosphy from?) Maybe it is not the players Buffalo has OR the coach they have. Maybe it is the combination of the two.

Hmm. Since we can't do a wholesale change of players, that just leaves.....well, you know.

 

Oh, by the way - now that Brian Burke has shown that there actually CAN be trades made in the NHL, now is the time for Darcy to show what he's made of. If he can wheel and deal and get us some scoring help and maybe a quarterback for the power play (a better backup goalie would be good, too but let's not get ahead of ourselves), maybe the Sabres won't completely fold down the stretch. If he stands pat, I say it is time for him and Lindy to be shown the door. Sorry, this is a "what have you done for us lately" league and if they can't get things on track after a decade plus, it is time to say bye-bye.

 

Wait a second....Brian Burke has the ability to trade because the Leafs stink, and the team he built in the last year stunk. Oh...and he has no draft picks and no lines, but he does have Phil Kessle.

[Sabre Dance]

Wait a second....Brian Burke has the ability to trade because the Leafs stink, and the team he built in the last year stunk. Oh...and he has no draft picks and no lines, but he does have Phil Kessle.

 

Well, I never said the trades he made were GOOD, just that the ice has been broken on big-time trades. The Leafs still stink, but look better doing it.

[Eleven]

Well, I never said the trades he made were GOOD, just that the ice has been broken on big-time trades. The Leafs still stink, but look better doing it.

 

The Leafs still stink, but Burke looks better because he did something. If the implication is that Regier should do something just for the sake of making himself look better, I'm against it. (And maybe that's not your implication. And I still think LQ calls the shots, anyway.)

[shrader]

The Leafs still stink, but Burke looks better because he did something. If the implication is that Regier should do something just for the sake of making himself look better, I'm against it. (And maybe that's not your implication. And I still think LQ calls the shots, anyway.)

 

That line of thinking does explain a lot about the Bitching Brigade around here.

[Kristian]

Don't forget, the players in Detroit do not have Lindy as a coach - they have Mike Babcock (you know, the guy who Lindy got some of his current coaching philosphy from?) Maybe it is not the players Buffalo has OR the coach they have. Maybe it is the combination of the two.

Hmm. Since we can't do a wholesale change of players, that just leaves.....well, you know.

 

Oh, by the way - now that Brian Burke has shown that there actually CAN be trades made in the NHL, now is the time for Darcy to show what he's made of. If he can wheel and deal and get us some scoring help and maybe a quarterback for the power play (a better backup goalie would be good, too but let's not get ahead of ourselves), maybe the Sabres won't completely fold down the stretch. If he stands pat, I say it is time for him and Lindy to be shown the door. Sorry, this is a "what have you done for us lately" league and if they can't get things on track after a decade plus, it is time to say bye-bye.

 

Darcy just said the following : "The focus isn’t to look right now for outside help."

 

Meaning we'll likely see the Steve-Bernier-trade-for-the-sake-of-a-trade-so-the-fans-don't-run-completely-amok, at the deadline.

 

Don't get me wrong, trading assets just for the sake of trading is foolish, but identifying what this team needs isn't overly difficult, and you're not going to find it in Portland.

[Stoner]

The scariest thing about this years playoffs...

 

IF the Sabres win in the 1st round and then get smoked by Pittsburgh, Washington or New Jersey in Round 2, is that considered progress, therefore, status guo for 10-11?

 

I wouldn't take it that far even. I have no doubt that if the Sabres make the playoffs and lose in the first round, all jobs are safe. That's how low the bar is. Heck, even if they stumble down the standings in the next two months before bowing out in the first round, jobs are safe. (It's hard to envision a scenario where they miss the playoffs.)

 

Remember, there's always going to be an out with this bunch. Miller could fall back -- you have the schedule and Olympics to blame. Myers could tail off -- hey, he's a rookie. And a major injury is bound to happen eventually -- it's Buffalo.

[Stoner]

Darcy just said the following : "The focus isn’t to look right now for outside help."

 

Meaning we'll likely see the Steve-Bernier-trade-for-the-sake-of-a-trade-so-the-fans-don't-run-completely-amok, at the deadline.

 

Don't get me wrong, trading assets just for the sake of trading is foolish, but identifying what this team needs isn't overly difficult, and you're not going to find it in Portland.

That's an interesting statement. DR preaches draft picks and building from within and on and on. How is that working out lately? What's down on the farm? How many times did the Sabres dress a seventh defenseman and play him up front this season?

 

Won't trade in season, won't trade at the deadline, won't trade offseason, won't be a player on July 1. How are the problems up front going to be fixed?

[Kristian]

That's an interesting statement. DR preaches draft picks and building from within and on and on. How is that working out lately? What's down on the farm? How many times did the Sabres dress a seventh defenseman and play him up front this season?

 

Won't trade in season, won't trade at the deadline, won't trade offseason, won't be a player on July 1. How are the problems up front going to be fixed?

 

Well, I believe he just told us - They're not going to be fixed.

 

He would much rather talk about Connolly's hot streak.

[carpandean]

DR preaches draft picks and building from within and on and on. How is that working out lately? What's down on the farm? How many times did the Sabres dress a seventh defenseman and play him up front this season?

Just playing Devil's advocate, but I'd guess his response would be: first in the NE, third in the Conference, AHL rookie of the year last year, AHL All-Star MVP this year, Gerbe and Ennis scored when called up, leading candidates for Calder and Vezina, they had so many strong young defensemen that pushed themselves into roster spots that they have carried eight defensemen, they were confident enough in the pipeline to trade Paille and waive Mair to see if they could free up some spots, and played their most offensive-oriented defenseman in place of an injured winger just to get him some ice time.

 

Like I've said, I'd like Darcy to be open to some moves to round-out the roster, but his idea isn't completely without merit. Most successful GMs would agree that building within is more important than the trading part in the current cap system. However, I also think that most would disagree that trading isn't also important, even if the lesser of the two.