Stoner Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 Now you're just being silly. Not that there aren't a lot of Leafs fans but it's not even close. It really can't be answered, because of the blasted horn.
SwampD Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 It really can't be answered, because of the blasted horn. Sure it can. The "almost" chances on Gustavsson (I would say on Toskala but all those went in) were much louder that the "almost" chances on Miller.
Stoner Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 Sure it can. The "almost" chances on Gustavsson (I would say on Toskala but all those went in) were much louder that the "almost" chances on Miller. nhl.com has the TSN highlights. There is no difference between the crowd noise for the first Leaf goal and the first Sabre goal before the horn. None.
darksabre Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 I just gotta ask PA, when was the last time you've been to the arena for a game?
Stoner Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 I just gotta ask PA, when was the last time you've been to the arena for a game? Asked and answered. What does it have to do with anything? Of course it's louder in the arena than on TV. Duh. Nathan Gerbe is bigger in real life than he is on TV too. He's only *this* big on TV. It's not known as a loud building. It's not known as a tough place to play. Not really controversial statements.
darksabre Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 Asked and answered. What does it have to do with anything? Of course it's louder in the arena than on TV. Duh. Nathan Gerbe is bigger in real life than he is on TV too. He's only *this* big on TV. It's not known as a loud building. It's not known as a tough place to play. Not really controversial statements. I'm not disagreeing with you that I think the arena could be louder, I was just curious when the last time was you were there in person. In my opinion, the problem with the arena noise is that ticket prices are too high. The cheap seats and the nosebleeds are where the rowdy, obnoxious fans are supposed to sit, separated from the families in their expensive seats who sit quietly with their hands in their laps. The Sabres have priced out the fans that they need to create atmosphere. When I go to a game I'm loud and cheering, and getting my section going. You need people to instigate the cheering. When ticket prices are too high for the instigator types to afford them, then you lose that crucial crowd component. For example, let's compare Buffalo to Montreal and Calgary, places that are generally regarded as higher energy arenas. Look at the CONSTANT pricing plans, and affordable cheap seats! And even their 100 level seats are a great deal when you don't have to shell out over $200 to see the friggen Maple Leafs! http://flames.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=40762 http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=53049 http://sabres.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=39501 Buffalo has shot themselves in the feet with this tiered pricing plan, which turns fans off from coming to the games that are the most important to have fans at. I think you'd get better atmosphere consistently with a more reasonable pricing plan.
SwampD Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 nhl.com has the TSN highlights. There is no difference between the crowd noise for the first Leaf goal and the first Sabre goal before the horn. None. Whatever. I'm done talking about this forever. Buffalo fans suck. Worst in the league, actually. Move the team.
Stoner Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 Whatever. I'm done talking about this forever. Buffalo fans suck. Worst in the league, actually. Move the team. Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.
SabresRepublic Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 I'm not disagreeing with you that I think the arena could be louder, I was just curious when the last time was you were there in person. In my opinion, the problem with the arena noise is that ticket prices are too high. The cheap seats and the nosebleeds are where the rowdy, obnoxious fans are supposed to sit, separated from the families in their expensive seats who sit quietly with their hands in their laps. The Sabres have priced out the fans that they need to create atmosphere. When I go to a game I'm loud and cheering, and getting my section going. You need people to instigate the cheering. When ticket prices are too high for the instigator types to afford them, then you lose that crucial crowd component. For example, let's compare Buffalo to Montreal and Calgary, places that are generally regarded as higher energy arenas. Look at the CONSTANT pricing plans, and affordable cheap seats! And even their 100 level seats are a great deal when you don't have to shell out over $200 to see the friggen Maple Leafs! http://flames.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=40762 http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=53049 http://sabres.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=39501 Buffalo has shot themselves in the feet with this tiered pricing plan, which turns fans off from coming to the games that are the most important to have fans at. I think you'd get better atmosphere consistently with a more reasonable pricing plan. "I just think it shows a lack of focus and a lack of willingness to shut the other team out and really take control of the game. I think that's the killer instinct we've been looking for, the killing instinct we need to find." - Adam Mair R.I.T. Tigers Division 1 Hockey - Regular Season Atlantic Hockey Association Co-Champions! www.ritathletics.com GO RIT :thumbsup: It is great to see regional development of hockey talent south of the border!
SabresRepublic Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 Whatever. I'm done talking about this forever. Buffalo fans suck. Worst in the league, actually. Move the team. Dude! That's crazy! Do you realize how long it has taken us (the Buffalo area athletic community) to get to this point notwithstanding the fact that everyone is aware there is so much more work to be done - starting tonighr! Move the team??? Bull As in Bison Bull: :nana:
nobody Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies. But you make them with salt instead of sugar.
Eleven Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies. On this issue,* you are uninformed and incorrect, and you really should just move on. On the other hand, people constantly are picking on you on this, and that doesn't help. *Not generally. On this issue.
Stoner Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 On this issue,* you are uninformed and incorrect, and you really should just move on. On the other hand, people constantly are picking on you on this, and that doesn't help. *Not generally. On this issue. I'm trying to be objective. Everyone can go to nhl.com and compare the audio of the goal reactions in the Toronto game. "You're wrong! Get lost!" is a pretty pathetic rejoinder.
deluca67 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 I'm trying to be objective. Everyone can go to nhl.com and compare the audio of the goal reactions in the Toronto game. "You're wrong! Get lost!" is a pretty pathetic rejoinder. I am just tossing this out there. If it was brought up previously I apologize. Is it possible that since the Sabres simulcast their games on WGR and TV that it could effect the amount of crowd noise they allow to be filtered through? I know from listening to Bills games on the radio that the crowd sounds louder on radio than it does on TV.
SwampD Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 I'm trying to be objective. Everyone can go to nhl.com and compare the audio of the goal reactions in the Toronto game. "You're wrong! Get lost!" is a pretty pathetic rejoinder. Dang it. You sucked me in and just wasted an hour of my life. Here is a picture of what I've bee doing in that hour. I analyzed the two goals' audio level (BEFORE THE HORN). I do audio for TV. We use things called compressors. I won't get too deep but what they do is take the loudest sounds and make them quieter. By making them quieter we can then bring the overall program level up. We also use limiters. Limiters basically say,"once I get this loud, I won't go any louder." What these two things do is basically make both the soft and loud sounds sound the same. Now to the goals. Volume wise, you are right, they are really close, way closer than I want for an away team to sound, but the Buffalo goal was still about 3-4db louder. Not only was it louder, but you can hear (well, I can) the compressors kick in and really squash the sound, making the crowd sound quieter but more full, which it should (otherwise you would get distortion every time they scored). In getting these waves off of the NHL.com site, I won't even get into how the extra levels of compression (both audio and data) make this analysis somewhat silly. Yet I still saw a difference. Okay, now I'm really done.
Stoner Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Dang it. You sucked me in and just wasted an hour of my life. Here is a picture of what I've bee doing in that hour. I analyzed the two goals' audio level (BEFORE THE HORN). I do audio for TV. We use things called compressors. I won't get too deep but what they do is take the loudest sounds and make them quieter. By making them quieter we can then bring the overall program level up. We also use limiters. Limiters basically say,"once get this loud, I won't go any louder." What these two things do is basically make both the soft and loud sounds the same. Now to the goals. Volume wise, you are right, they are really close, way closer than I want for an away team to sound, but the Buffalo goal was still about 3-4db louder. Not only was it louder, but you can hear (well, I can) the compressors kick in and really squash the sound, making the crowd sound quieter but more full, which it should (otherwise you would get distortion every time they scored). In getting these waves off of the NHL.com site, I won't even get into how the extra levels of compression (both audio and data) make this analysis somewhat silly. Yet I still saw a difference. Okay, now I'm really done. I'd love to see that for the other goals. Just kidding. That's interesting.
nobody Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Dang it. You sucked me in and just wasted an hour of my life. Here is a picture of what I've bee doing in that hour. I analyzed the two goals' audio level (BEFORE THE HORN). I do audio for TV. We use things called compressors. I won't get too deep but what they do is take the loudest sounds and make them quieter. By making them quieter we can then bring the overall program level up. We also use limiters. Limiters basically say,"once I get this loud, I won't go any louder." What these two things do is basically make both the soft and loud sounds sound the same. Now to the goals. Volume wise, you are right, they are really close, way closer than I want for an away team to sound, but the Buffalo goal was still about 3-4db louder. Not only was it louder, but you can hear (well, I can) the compressors kick in and really squash the sound, making the crowd sound quieter but more full, which it should (otherwise you would get distortion every time they scored). In getting these waves off of the NHL.com site, I won't even get into how the extra levels of compression (both audio and data) make this analysis somewhat silly. Yet I still saw a difference. Okay, now I'm really done. That was good stuff there. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Taro T Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 Dang it. You sucked me in and just wasted an hour of my life. Here is a picture of what I've bee doing in that hour. I analyzed the two goals' audio level (BEFORE THE HORN). I do audio for TV. We use things called compressors. I won't get too deep but what they do is take the loudest sounds and make them quieter. By making them quieter we can then bring the overall program level up. We also use limiters. Limiters basically say,"once I get this loud, I won't go any louder." What these two things do is basically make both the soft and loud sounds sound the same. Now to the goals. Volume wise, you are right, they are really close, way closer than I want for an away team to sound, but the Buffalo goal was still about 3-4db louder. Not only was it louder, but you can hear (well, I can) the compressors kick in and really squash the sound, making the crowd sound quieter but more full, which it should (otherwise you would get distortion every time they scored). In getting these waves off of the NHL.com site, I won't even get into how the extra levels of compression (both audio and data) make this analysis somewhat silly. Yet I still saw a difference. Okay, now I'm really done. Swamp, Thanks for the analysis. Good stuff. Using the biauricular differential comparators (aka, my ears) at the game, I can guarantee you it was louder in the building when Roy scored than when the rook scored.
nfreeman Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 It's not known as a loud building. It's not known as a tough place to play. Not really controversial statements. Link? Any support for this statement? Or are we simply to rely on your failing senses as too many did in the Bucky/Vanek kerfuffle?
end the curse Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 I'm going to miss RJ tonight, but I absolutely love watching the games on HD. We need to win this one, because beating the Leaves balances out our Ottawa failings.
Stoner Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 Link? Any support for this statement? Or are we simply to rely on your failing senses as too many did in the Bucky/Vanek kerfuffle? Why would anyone rely on my senses or opinions or anything else? Have you own opinion. In fact, John Vogl and Brian Koziol have both recently referenced the atmosphere in the arena, and not in a good way. Ask Bill Hoppe. Or get in touch with Vogl, Mike Harrington or Bucky Gleason. The News web site makes it easy to do it. Even Rick can't pimp the crowd noise or atmosphere, which he is always wont to do. Maybe I should pull a SwampD here and just give in. The arena is deafening. They don't even need that horn. Man, are these fans into it from before the anthems on. When the Sabres score, they rise as one and continue standing and cheering through the ensuing faceoff. They just chant all night long. And when Miller makes a big save, the "Mill-er! Mill-er!" song gives me chills. Sabres in a rut? 18,690 lift them up. Many visiting players and coaches note what a tough building it is to play in when the home fans are this boisterous. Empty seats during play and at the beginning of a period? Like Montreal, you just don't see it here. These people don't want to miss a second. Run out with a minute left and the game in the balance -- leave before the stars are announced -- dash for the exits when an overtime goal is scored -- no way, not in this hockey hotbed where not a minute is to be missed! Happy?
nfreeman Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 Why would anyone rely on my senses or opinions or anything else? Have you own opinion. Everyone is of course entitled to his own opinion. OTOH, you presented your opinion (which, btw, doesn't seem to be based on any actual live experiences) as a popularly accepted fact: It's not known as a loud building. It's not known as a tough place to play. Not really controversial statements. If you're going to claim that your position is widely held, then someone else besides you should hold it.
Stoner Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 Everyone is of course entitled to his own opinion. OTOH, you presented your opinion (which, btw, doesn't seem to be based on any actual live experiences) as a popularly accepted fact: If you're going to claim that your position is widely held, then someone else besides you should hold it. I agree.
SabresRepublic Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 Whatever. I'm done talking about this forever. Buffalo fans suck. Worst in the league, actually. Move the team. Dude, you're talking about us and yourself! Firstly, I would suggest NOT throwing the baby out with the bath water.~ :( Secondly, you are a fan - quit beating yourself up! :wallbash: Thirdly, if you insist on beating on the fans (yourself) - keep the rest of us fans out of it! :bag: Nothing personal - except when it comes to being beaten up!!! :pirate:
SwampD Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 Dude, you're talking about us and yourself! Firstly, I would suggest NOT throwing the baby out with the bath water.~ :( Secondly, you are a fan - quit beating yourself up! :wallbash: Thirdly, if you insist on beating on the fans (yourself) - keep the rest of us fans out of it! :bag: Nothing personal - except when it comes to being beaten up!!! :pirate: :D EDIT: I keep checking back to see if you've read any of my other posts on either side of the one you responded to and erase this.
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