shrader Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 And I'd give Hartnell a few for being ugly. You'd have to go after Carcillo first. He reminds me of Mike Ricci.
nfreeman Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Great gut-check win tonight for the Sabres. I hate to think though that Rivet looked like he could be out for months, and the same could be true of Gaustad. That's at least 50% of the team's toughness just ripped out for an extended period. Time for Montador, Grier and Kaleta to step up and for some other guys to do the same and help them. A few other thoughts: 1. I love beating Philly. 2. The Sabres got better goaltending than Philly did. 3. The difference for the Sabres in this game as opposed to the Washington & Boston games was that one of the top 2 lines showed up. Roy-Vanek-Pommer still MIA though. 4. Myers and Tallinder led the team in ice team with over 24 minutes each. 5. If the Sabres can't get a win tomorrow vs Carolina with Lalime, I'm ready for a look at Lamoreaux. That was a great win.
BuffalOhio Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Ya gotta love hockey players.... "Holmgren also said that he expects Ian Laperriere to play tonight. Laperriere took a Jason Pominville slap shot to the face and received so many stitches to his lip that Flyers oral surgeon Dr. Guy Lanzi lost count. Lanzi guessed the total is somewhere "in between 50 and 100" stitches. Holmgren said that Laperriere, who returned to the game a little more than a period later with a full shield and four less teeth, was actually bothered to be off the ice for so long." That was a great game to watch yesterday, minus the injuries to Goose and Rivet. Kaleta is Kaleta. That his was dangerous from the get-go, but when the left handed player shot the puck to his right, he fully exposed his back to Kaleta. Both players are responsible there, but Kaleta's getting suspended for that one in my mind.
Calvin Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 HAHA Hartnell, you're right- not too easy on the eyes. Hartnell looks like a shaggy dog. Carcillo has a very strange, Ron Jeremy-like moustache.. very subhuman looking all in all. There's quite a bit of hair on that team.. Riley Cote's another shaggy one there. By the way, with his missing teeth and scraggly hair, Tim Kennedy is starting to look like quite the specimen!
Stoner Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Great gut-check win tonight for the Sabres. I hate to think though that Rivet looked like he could be out for months, and the same could be true of Gaustad. That's at least 50% of the team's toughness just ripped out for an extended period. Time for Montador, Grier and Kaleta to step up and for some other guys to do the same and help them. A few other thoughts: 1. I love beating Philly. 2. The Sabres got better goaltending than Philly did. 3. The difference for the Sabres in this game as opposed to the Washington & Boston games was that one of the top 2 lines showed up. Roy-Vanek-Pommer still MIA though. 4. Myers and Tallinder led the team in ice team with over 24 minutes each. 5. If the Sabres can't get a win tomorrow vs Carolina with Lalime, I'm ready for a look at Lamoreaux. That was a great win. What makes you think Rivet and Gaustad could be out for months? Lindy's always been a bit of a drama queen when it comes to immediate reaction to injuries. See Vanek. Let's wait and see before panicking. I imagine most fans, like myself, have been very happy with the "step up" players you mentioned. Montador, Grier and Kaleta have been fine. They're doing everything asked. I really don't want our top penalty killer and defensive stalwart to be dropping the gloves.
carpandean Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 By the way, with his missing teeth and scraggly hair, Tim Kennedy is starting to look like quite the specimen! Tim had bad teeth before he took a stick to the chops. I actually thought that would be a blessing, as he'd get falsies that would be straighter than his originals. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way.
repster Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 What makes you think Rivet and Gaustad could be out for months? Lindy's always been a bit of a drama queen when it comes to immediate reaction to injuries. See Vanek. Let's wait and see before panicking. I imagine most fans, like myself, have been very happy with the "step up" players you mentioned. Montador, Grier and Kaleta have been fine. They're doing everything asked. I really don't want our top penalty killer and defensive stalwart to be dropping the gloves. I think Rivet will be out for quite a while. He could barely put any weight on that leg and needed extensive help getting off the ice. He was writhing in pain after he got locked up. Someone guessed broken ankle and I would subscribe to that. I think Goose might just be a sprained ankle or hip issue that might be a couple weeks max (hopefully). He was walked himself back to the dressing room with a limp. Nice to have depth on the team with Sekera, Mair and Paetsch.
Stoner Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Intent doesn't play into it. Position relative to the boards doesn't either. The Flyer never faced the blue line. Kaleta could have avoided it. These guys are so good at controlling their bodies. It's an interesting call. Reading the rules literally, when the call is boarding, it doesn't matter if the player has turned his back deliberately. But there's no penalty for checking from behind if the ref deems a player has tried to "buy a call." I watched the replay carefully, and it's a big stretch to say the Flyer was doing that. OK, jackass, perhaps you missed this section of the rule book on boarding: "There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule." I still don't think the Flyer did anything to wipe out the boarding call.
SwampD Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 OK, jackass, perhaps you missed this section of the rule book on boarding: "There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule." I still don't think the Flyer did anything to wipe out the boarding call. You mean, other than look right at the number 36 barreling towards him and then turn his back to it anyway?
Stoner Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 You mean, other than look right at the number 36 barreling towards him and then turn his back to it anyway? Blue and gold goggles off, please. At first, his body was perpendicular to Kaleta's. He might have snuck a glance out of his side vision, but he never looked "right" at Kaleta. His left shoulder came around in the process of shooting the puck, and that forced his body to face the boards. I will admit the possibility that this rookie is so good he knew Kaleta was coming and played the puck in such a way as to purposefully turn his back and draw a call. I don't think that's very likely. Anyway, it's got to be a lot more over the top than that for a ref to let a hit like that go unpunished. By the way, who teaches players to put their life and limb in jeopardy to "buy" a boarding call? I wonder how a coach would ever live with himself if he told players to do that and one of his players ended up paralyzed -- or worse.
cdexchange Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 I think Rivet will be out for quite a while. He could barely put any weight on that leg and needed extensive help getting off the ice. He was writhing in pain after he got locked up. Someone guessed broken ankle and I would subscribe to that. I think Goose might just be a sprained ankle or hip issue that might be a couple weeks max (hopefully). He was walked himself back to the dressing room with a limp. Nice to have depth on the team with Sekera, Mair and Paetsch. They just said on WGR that Rivet is skating today, although he will not play tonight. So it appears his was not as serious as it looked. Goose will be out a few weeks though, according to Ruff.
SwampD Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Blue and gold goggles off, please. At first, his body was perpendicular to Kaleta's. He might have snuck a glance out of his side vision, but he never looked "right" at Kaleta. His left shoulder came around in the process of shooting the puck, and that forced his body to face the boards. I will admit the possibility that this rookie is so good he knew Kaleta was coming and played the puck in such a way as to purposefully turn his back and draw a call. I don't think that's very likely. Anyway, it's got to be a lot more over the top than that for a ref to let a hit like that go unpunished. By the way, who teaches players to put their life and limb in jeopardy to "buy" a boarding call? I wonder how a coach would ever live with himself if he told players to do that and one of his players ended up paralyzed -- or worse. Why do we go through this every time? First - I don't have blue and gold goggles and you should know this by now. I have hockey goggles. Second - The Flyer had the puck with his back to the boards and looked right at Kaleta, then turned. Third - I don't think he was trying to draw a penalty. I think he was trying to make a play. Big difference. Most good players often sacrifice their bodies for sake of the play and dance along that edge of safety. Fourth - If it was me on the ice and I knew Kaleta was on the ice as well, I would make sure to remember this part of the rule, "However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position.
Stoner Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 They just said on WGR that Rivet is skating today, although he will not play tonight. So it appears his was not as serious as it looked. Goose will be out a few weeks though, according to Ruff. Just updated: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/
Stoner Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Why do we go through this every time? First - I don't have blue and gold goggles and you should know this by now. I have hockey goggles. Second - The Flyer had the puck with his back to the boards and looked right at Kaleta, then turned. Third - I don't think he was trying to draw a penalty. I think he was trying to make a play. Big difference. Most good players often sacrifice their bodies for sake of the play and dance along that edge of safety. Fourth - If it was me on the ice and I knew Kaleta was on the ice as well, I would make sure to remember this part of the rule, "However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. The Flyer never had his back to the boards. These discussions get frustrating because rarely can we all agree on what actually happened. And, actually, the Flyer player never completely turned his back on Kaleta. If the guy was just trying to make a play, then what's the problem with the call? What did you want him to do to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position? Not play the puck, hold up his hands and say, "Don't hurt me, mister?"
Eleven Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Posted November 28, 2009 Just updated: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/ Ruff acknowledged that there may be a suspension for Kaleta. I can't find any news on the Richards high-stick, which I didn't see (but I heard Jeanneret and Neale's call on the radio). Was it really deserving of league attention? Or did Harry overreact as usual?
shrader Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Ruff acknowledged that there may be a suspension for Kaleta. I can't find any news on the Richards high-stick, which I didn't see (but I heard Jeanneret and Neale's call on the radio). Was it really deserving of league attention? Or did Harry overreact as usual? Find a video if you can. It was brutal. Richards basically speared him in the side of the head. Myers is lucky he took it mostly to the helmet. A little lower and Myers is gone for a long time with a broken jaw. A spear to anyone's head is bad enough, but to a 6'7 guy? That's the definition of reckless use of the stick. The league is usually pretty active when it comes to stick work, so I can't imagine how they'd let this one go. Oh wait, he wasn't injured, so that gives the NHL that crappy free pass they're always using.
SwampD Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 The Flyer never had his back to the boards. These discussions get frustrating because rarely can we all agree on what actually happened. And, actually, the Flyer player never completely turned his back on Kaleta. If the guy was just trying to make a play, then what's the problem with the call? What did you want him to do to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position? Not play the puck, hold up his hands and say, "Don't hurt me, mister?" Yes! That is exactly what he should have done. He should have been getting ready for the big hit he KNEW was coming. THAT'S HOCKEY, make the play before taking the hit. That is the exact reason why players try and lay hits on other players, so that they make mistakes trying to make the play before they get creamed. The more I watch that hit, the more I'm convinced that he has only one person to blame for being injured, himself.
deluca67 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Kaleta's hit deserves a suspension which means he wont get one. Much like the MacArthur hit. That said, it was great to see this team play the way they did yesterday. As long as the league is going to allow hits like Kaleta's with little or no recourse I'm glad the Sabres have a player willing to initiate hits like that. It has become tiresome always watching the guy being scrapped off the ice wearing blue and gold.
SwampD Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 I'm sorry, but his back is to the boards.
carpandean Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 For those feeling lazy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_pnuvSSo8o
deluca67 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 I'm sorry, but his back is to the boards. Two seconds later he is facing the boards. I think he was focused on the forward coming towards him and not Kaleta from behind.
SwampD Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Two seconds later he is facing the boards. I think he was focused on the forward coming towards him and not Kaleta from behind. He actually got hit less than a second after that frame, but we're pickin' nits anyway. It's hockey Darwinism. If Ross really didn't know where Kaleta was on the ice or chose the play over the hit, he'll become extinct real quick. If it wasn't Kaleta it'd be someone else. The same is true for Kaleta, if he continues to flirt with these hits, and he doesn't watch himself, someone will get him and he'll become extinct as well.
Stoner Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 I'm sorry, but his back is to the boards. Why can I still read his number?
Stoner Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 Yes! That is exactly what he should have done. He should have been getting ready for the big hit he KNEW was coming. THAT'S HOCKEY, make the play before taking the hit. That is the exact reason why players try and lay hits on other players, so that they make mistakes trying to make the play before they get creamed. The more I watch that hit, the more I'm convinced that he has only one person to blame for being injured, himself. OK, you win. I'm done. I can't even wrap my mind around what you're trying to say. Must be the turkey. Ross is to blame, and Kaleta shouldn't have been penalized. It all makes perfect sense now.
darksabre Posted November 28, 2009 Report Posted November 28, 2009 For those feeling lazy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_pnuvSSo8o Kaleta had enough time to hold up on that hit. Boarding call was deserved and a game or two suspension would be too. Big hits are great but he could have avoided that. I'll agree with PA on this one.
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