... Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Looks like the same old same old down in Sabres-land. There needs to be a BIG change. What would be most effective? Fire Lindy and get someone else in there...who I don't know. Or a trade: Stafford, Vanek, Roy, and Connolly are all up for grabs, although Vanek would be the most difficult to move thanks to his inflated contract. I have no idea, there are good arguments for both types of change. I think a coaching change would be easier to pull off, but I don't know who is available.
SwampD Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Looks like the same old same old down in Sabres-land. There needs to be a BIG change. What would be most effective? Fire Lindy and get someone else in there...who I don't know. Or a trade: Stafford, Vanek, Roy, and Connolly are all up for grabs, although Vanek would be the most difficult to move thanks to his inflated contract. I have no idea, there are good arguments for both types of change. I think a coaching change would be easier to pull off, but I don't know who is available. I'm not sure. I just know I can't wait for the day when I watch a Sabres game, and I don't see Ruff or Connolly on the bench.
Stoner Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Good topic, sizzle, but Lindy's not getting fired this season. I don't think he's getting fired after the season either even if they miss the playoffs again. The blather coming from Lindy and the organization through the broadcasts about "parity" is a good clue that they're preparing the fans for another "what if" season. A nice fallback position for Lindy and Darcy -- but the key will be the last two drafts. They'll need more time for their plan to come to fruition. What I'll never understand is why Lindy always wants to douse any good vibe surrounding the team. Think "take some shine off" about Myers' first tough game; "we won't be laughing in January" during the fast start; and "we've had a very favorable schedule." LINDY DRAGS THIS TEAM DOWN. CLASSIC EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE.
nfreeman Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Good topic, sizzle, but Lindy's not getting fired this season. I don't think he's getting fired after the season either even if they miss the playoffs again. The blather coming from Lindy and the organization through the broadcasts about "parity" is a good clue that they're preparing the fans for another "what if" season. A nice fallback position for Lindy and Darcy -- but the key will be the last two drafts. They'll need more time for their plan to come to fruition. What I'll never understand is why Lindy always wants to douse any good vibe surrounding the team. Think "take some shine off" about Myers' first tough game; "we won't be laughing in January" during the fast start; and "we've had a very favorable schedule." LINDY DRAGS THIS TEAM DOWN. CLASSIC EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE. Did he drag them down in '98? '99? '06? '07? Do you watch this team and see a bunch of superstars who would be filling up the net and firing up the crowd like Ovechkin if they weren't so emotionally down in the dumps because Lindy is such a poopie?
deluca67 Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Did he drag them down in '98? '99? '06? '07? Do you watch this team and see a bunch of superstars who would be filling up the net and firing up the crowd like Ovechkin if they weren't so emotionally down in the dumps because Lindy is such a poopie? I have to respond with this. Hasek and Miller? Can Lindy win without a goaltender stealing games for him?
Foot In The Crease! Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 GET RID OF VANEK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Biggest waste of 7+mill a year
FearTheReaper Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 The problem with this team is the current state their in. Darcy was planning for the future during the 07 offseason. And that future should be starting right now. We've had 2 years of dissapointment. Its time DR gets some players in here that help the team NOW. Not 2 or 3 years from now. I'm tired of this group of young to mid aged players. We have Kennedy and Myers in. Butler and Sekera were inserted fulltime last season. Is it too much to ask of Darcy to sacrifice the future for the present? Trade some younger guys for players with experience. And i'm not talking old vets. Mid aged players are what we need. Players who have established themselves. And who have 6 to 7 years of great hockey ahead of them. We have enough youngsters trying to develop. Thats our surplus. The way to execute trades that equal results is to take your surplus and address your needs. We need established players.I think some players need to be moved in order for this team to truly blossom into something elite. I would love to see MacArthur go. He has potential. Hes got a quick shot. He has good offensive awareness. Hes a quick skater. But he is so inconsistent. The bigger problem is that, the role he is in has no room for inconsistency. Not at this level. Maybe that would fly on the third line. But not in the top 6. He is still pretty young, and he must merit some decent value. I'm sure a team in a rebuliding phase would take a look at him. Think Colorado, and Pheonix. Get rid of Mac, and bring in a power forward who can play on the second line. I'm tired of looking at Roy, Mac, and Pommer getting knocked around. We need size in the top six. This player, ideally, would free up space around the net, get physical, and drive the crease. This would give Roy or Connolly more ice to work with and take pressure off of Pominville. I also can do without Shakira as well (or sekera whatever). This guy hasn't shown promise in about 50 games. Its outrageous. He has less value than Mac, but again he's young. Someone might want him. LA comes to mind. Why not package Mac with Sekera and a good pick (2nd?) for this Power Forward? No one is going to take Hecht. Pommer and Vanek are "core" players, so there not moving. Rivet is captain. Miller is Miller. Roy and Connolly are probably not going anywhere. The bottom line is, this money Darcy has invested is a joke. Pommer is not worth 5.5 million. If he gets back to 30 goals, 80 points and good defensive play than yes he is. But this current state is laughable. Jochen Hecht at 3.8? , he plays on the third line! And thats him playing at his best. Trade some youth, bring in some size. And i feel all will be well.
... Posted November 22, 2009 Author Report Posted November 22, 2009 This team is an enigma. All I'm interested in is the "fix" that can be implemented now which would most effectively improve the team for the remainder of the season. Something that can realistically happen, so I assume it's a one person change, maybe two at the most. Three, if it's a huge trade deal (which is not all that realistic right now). What is the over-arching problem? Lack of effort? Lack of maturity? Poor coaching? Wrong mix of talent? No consistency?
FearTheReaper Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 It is crazy to think that Kovalchuck makes less than Vanek.
FearTheReaper Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 I can tell you right now, there isn't going to be a major trade before the deadline. With DR, thats assured.
FearTheReaper Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 This team is an enigma. All I'm interested in is the "fix" that can be implemented now which would most effectively improve the team for the remainder of the season. Something that can realistically happen, so I assume it's a one person change, maybe two at the most. Three, if it's a huge trade deal (which is not all that realistic right now). What is the over-arching problem? Lack of effort? Lack of maturity? Poor coaching? Wrong mix of talent? No consistency? Yes, yes, no, no. The effort isn't always there night to night. They should of skated Boston into the ground last night. Boston played in Atlanta thursday, and flew here yesterday. That is insane. Getting outworked by a team under those circumstances is inexcusable. Its seems that the "leaders" dont want the responsiblity on this team. Roy is a prime example of that. I really dont think Coaching is a huge issue. Lindy knows the players, and he knows their tendencies. Hes been alot more passive this season, and that helps the players take more command of the room. He's teaching a system that works. Sometimes he mismanages ice time, and throws out bad line combos. But thats Lindy. Hes not going to reward a "star" who doesn't want to work. I think the chemisty is in place,but there missing a piece or two. They have the playmaking centerman in Roy and Connolly, a sniper and potential star superstar in Vanek, a solid 2 way scorer in Pominville, and a maturing power forward in Stafford. Thats only 5 out of 6. There missing that final piece to round out the offense, and chemistry. I firmly believe that an effective scoring line must consist of a playmaker, a sniper and a power foward. If you have two of the same style players out there, there both looking for the same ice and the same play. Every player must bring a different element to eqaul success.
JJFIVEOH Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!! :unsure:
FearTheReaper Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 "Were going to be less competitve, but the sky is not falling". Remember that one?
Stoner Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Did he drag them down in '98? '99? '06? '07? Do you watch this team and see a bunch of superstars who would be filling up the net and firing up the crowd like Ovechkin if they weren't so emotionally down in the dumps because Lindy is such a poopie? Quite an exaggeration, but, yeah, that's basically my point. Coaching matters! On what level does Lindy inspire you as a fan? Can you imagine having a boss like that? Lindy's much ado about nothing. He's got the whole city hoodwinked. He reminds me of the legendary scholastic coach who's a genius in some little town and coaches for life. Sure, every once in a while, the planets align, he gets some good players, and he goes to the state championship game and loses. In between there are so many seasons where all you have is The Legend.
johnm Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Looks like the same old same old down in Sabres-land. There needs to be a BIG change. What would be most effective? Fire Lindy and get someone else in there...who I don't know. Or a trade: Stafford, Vanek, Roy, and Connolly are all up for grabs, although Vanek would be the most difficult to move thanks to his inflated contract. I have no idea, there are good arguments for both types of change. I think a coaching change would be easier to pull off, but I don't know who is available. Let's look at FACTS: How are the 2 most recent former Sabres that were always in Lindy's doghouse doing on other teams this season? Max Afinogenov: 19GP 9G 11A 20P Ales Kotalik 22GP 6G 11A 17P Everyone was screaming to run these players out of town as quickly as possible last season and somehow both "worthless" players have resurrected their careers and become very important players on other teams with DIFFERENT COACHES. If "worthless" Max and Kotalik can have these types of bounce-back seasons on others teams with NEW COACHES, could you imagine what an incredible force ultra-skilled VANEK would be on another team with a NEW COACH???? Same goes for Pominville and Connolly. Let's get real people. Don't believe all the media hype and praise of Lindy. Lindy IS the problem and the fastest way to improve the team is to send HIM packing. On top of everything else, Lindy has horribly mishandled ALL our backup goalies season after season and after season and he costs us points every season by doing so. Send Lindy packing, watch how good the team could be.
Bmwolf21 Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Did he drag them down in '98? '99? '06? '07? Do you watch this team and see a bunch of superstars who would be filling up the net and firing up the crowd like Ovechkin if they weren't so emotionally down in the dumps because Lindy is such a poopie? Wasting your time, n. I see the torch and pitchfork crowd is out in force, with the same couple posters leading the "Lindy Sucks" charge in multiple threads. Boring and predictable, and containing no new supporting arguments or facts.
Stoner Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Wasting your time, n. I see the torch and pitchfork crowd is out in force, with the same couple posters leading the "Lindy Sucks" charge in multiple threads. Boring and predictable, and containing no new supporting arguments or facts. 8-1-1 to 12-6-2. Ripped from the headlines. If there's a repeat of last season, you still won't get your pitchfork out? I'm just trying to beat the Christmas rush.
SwampD Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Wasting your time, n. I see the torch and pitchfork crowd is out in force, with the same couple posters leading the "Lindy Sucks" charge in multiple threads. Boring and predictable, and containing no new supporting arguments or facts. We don't need any new supporting arguments or facts. The same ol' ones still apply.
transient Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Don't underestimate the effect of the injury to Mike Grier. The longer he's out, the more his presence will be missed. It's hard to get complacent when there is someone of his caliber giving everything he has on the ice, or sitting on the bench holding you to a higher standard, which is why they brought him in in the first place.
Foligno's Nose Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 It is crazy to think that Kovalchuck makes less than Vanek. Ahhhhhh... Ilya Kovalchuk. His contract is up after this season. Give-up what you need to and get this guy in blue & gold in a market where he will be appreciated. It is a little early for this kind of talk though. If we are faltering, Darcy will have to make moves. Derek Roy could use a change of venue. I am not emotionally attached to anyone on this roster. Are Meyers, Miller and Vanek the only untouchables??? His job is jeopardized if not. So is Lindy's. Make the playoffs or you're both fired. Nothing personal. Yeah... Ilya Kovalchuk. "Starting at center and wearing number 17...Ilya Kovalchuk!"
Eleven Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 Ahhhhhh... Ilya Kovalchuk. His contract is up after this season. Give-up what you need to and get this guy in blue & gold in a market where he will be appreciated. It is a little early for this kind of talk though. If we are faltering, Darcy will have to make moves. Derek Roy could use a change of venue. I am not emotionally attached to anyone on this roster. Are Meyers, Miller and Vanek the only untouchables??? His job is jeopardized if not. So is Lindy's. Make the playoffs or you're both fired. Nothing personal. Yeah... Ilya Kovalchuk. "Starting at center and wearing number 17...Ilya Kovalchuk!" Dare to dream.
darksabre Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 I don't care what change gets made as long as someone teaches our top lines how to play against a clogged neutral zone. I think it's a responsibility that falls on both the players and the coaches. For all we know, Lindy is preaching a system and they aren't listening. I saw him shaking his head on the bench at one point last night. What else do you do when your forwards don't play the way that you know can win games? I don't think you can just do one or the other. I think it's equal parts coaching as it is players who haven't found ways to change their individual playing styles to be more effective.
TheChimp Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 We have NO superior talent on this team. The "Vanek/Superstar" myth created by the unwarranted contract extension a couple years back has, I think, finally vanished, as it should have. At least I've finally woken up to his glaring deficiencies that will forever keep him from achieving that status. Roy, Connolly, Pominville, Stafford, MacArthur, these guys are all above average players, with Connolly probably possessing the most all-around talent among them, but NONE of them are true Top Line talent, and I think we're all seeing that. And the rest of the team is already comfortable with their 3rd and 4th Line status. Our defensive veterans are getting schooled by the rookies and sophomores. Except for Sekera, who isn't schooling anyone except Lindy, apparently. The problem on this team is accountability. NO Captain is going to be effective if he starts yelling at guys like Roy, Pominville, Connolly, Vanek, etc. if Lindy doesn't back him up with benchings and whatnot. But Lindy went even softer this year, instead of harder on them, so that's a real problem, IMO. This is a team of boys, with a few men interspersed within the ranks, but those men are not being given the tools to lead the rest of them effectively, and that needs to be addressed ASAP by Darcy Regier.
Bmwolf21 Posted November 22, 2009 Report Posted November 22, 2009 8-1-1 to 12-6-2. Ripped from the headlines. If there's a repeat of last season, you still won't get your pitchfork out? I'm just trying to beat the Christmas rush. And ripped from the headlines - still in 1st in the NE and 3rd in the EC. Did you expect them to maintain a .800 winning pace all year long and finish up somewhere around 64-8-4? All teams will go through funks, slides and slumps. The question isn't whether they will have a couple (or few) 2-3 game slides, it's whether they let them turn into 5-,8-,10-game slumps. We don't need any new supporting arguments or facts. The same ol' ones still apply. Which "same 'ol facts" still apply?
SwampD Posted November 23, 2009 Report Posted November 23, 2009 Which "same 'ol facts" still apply? C'mon. Do you really need me to quantify what you know to be true with your own eyes.
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