Eleven Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 This has been mentioned in a few GDTs, and maybe even a Complaint Thursday thread, and now, because I'm sweating out a cold and watching one start-to-finish at home, I'm really going to address it: MSG's microphones simply do not pick up the HSBC crowd sound; they seem to be very focused on the ice. The arena still is loud on game nights, it's still loud when the Sabres score or do something else well, and what I just noticed was this: Sabs killed a penalty, the crowd noise was there, but very, very muted. Not muted as in there was no noise, but muted as in the MSG sound sucks. Trust me, those of us that go to the games are making noise. Those of you that are watching on TV aren't hearing it. If you have doubts, go to a game (and leave those of us who do go to games alone in the meantime).
shrader Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 The mics did pick up a very nice f-bomb on wednesday. My roommate even heard it in the next room.
Eleven Posted November 21, 2009 Author Report Posted November 21, 2009 The mics did pick up a very nice f-bomb on wednesday. My roommate even heard it in the next room. It was either on the ice, in the booth, or in your roommate's room, then, because these mics do not pick up the crowd at all. It sounds like there are 800 people at the game.
Stoner Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 As usual, we're just arguing semantics here. The crowd isn't loud in Buffalo. It's not known as a loud building, or a tough building to play in. The fans make noise, sure. And when they really get going, it can be heard on TV. It's not the mics. Every broadcast in the league has to mix the audio. You can't have the crowd noise dominate.
SwampD Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 As usual, we're just arguing semantics here. The crowd isn't loud in Buffalo. It's not known as a loud building, or a tough building to play in. The fans make noise, sure. And when they really get going, it can be heard on TV. It's not the mics. Every broadcast in the league has to mix the audio. You can't have the crowd noise dominate. How many different arenas have you been to?
shrader Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 It was either on the ice, in the booth, or in your roommate's room, then, because these mics do not pick up the crowd at all. It sounds like there are 800 people at the game. I assumed it was from just outside the announce booth because it just might have been the clearest one I've ever heard during a sports broadcast.
Eleven Posted November 21, 2009 Author Report Posted November 21, 2009 As usual, we're just arguing semantics here. The crowd isn't loud in Buffalo. It's not known as a loud building, or a tough building to play in. The fans make noise, sure. And when they really get going, it can be heard on TV. It's not the mics. Every broadcast in the league has to mix the audio. You can't have the crowd noise dominate. You've already explained that you don't go to games. I do. Sorry, PA, but you just are wrong here. There really isn't even room for argument unless you want to go to a game and report back.
Stoner Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 You've already explained that you don't go to games. I do. Sorry, PA, but you just are wrong here. There really isn't even room for argument unless you want to go to a game and report back. No room for argument. Close the thread.
Eleven Posted November 21, 2009 Author Report Posted November 21, 2009 No room for argument. Close the thread. Oh, I'll hear from people who go to games, but come on. If I offer some opinion on life in Tajikistan or something, based upon what I've read, and then there's an opinion from someone who has been there a few times, well, I don't expect my opinion to carry to much weight. And the sound on MSG is . Trust me, or go to a game if you don't; it doesn't sound a damned thing like the arena does.
sweeper Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 18,000 people in HSBC arena are just as loud as 18,000 people in any other arena. And for the record, I've been to 3 games in Carolina (3 playoff games), 2 in Boston, and one in DC.
Stoner Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Just watched the Rivet goal against SJ again. Wonder why the mics were working that night? :)
SHAAAUGHT!!! Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 This has been mentioned in a few GDTs, and maybe even a Complaint Thursday thread, and now, because I'm sweating out a cold and watching one start-to-finish at home, I'm really going to address it: MSG's microphones simply do not pick up the HSBC crowd sound; they seem to be very focused on the ice. The arena still is loud on game nights, it's still loud when the Sabres score or do something else well, and what I just noticed was this: Sabs killed a penalty, the crowd noise was there, but very, very muted. Not muted as in there was no noise, but muted as in the MSG sound sucks. Trust me, those of us that go to the games are making noise. Those of you that are watching on TV aren't hearing it. If you have doubts, go to a game (and leave those of us who do go to games alone in the meantime). MSG production quality for Sabres games is just overall bad. The broadcast is darker than others, the surround sound for most games is cheesy, and Kevin Sylvester is a tool (sorry, I had to slip that in). Was there a different feed for Weds game? I'm in the Rochester viewing area and Wed was the first time I had to change to the Sabres HD station to watch the game. The feed quality was awesome. There were new angles, better zooms, and good surround sound. I was hoping for the same tonight, but it went back to the previous shaaaughty quality I've come to expect since Empire went belly up.
Eleven Posted November 21, 2009 Author Report Posted November 21, 2009 Just watched the Rivet goal against SJ again. Wonder why the mics were working that night? :) Do you mean from last year? The sound could very well have been different. Actually, I think the crowd came through better on TV over the last several years than it does now. Notice that NOW is when people who do not go to games have started complaining that the crowd is quiet--not last year. You're helping to make my point.
cdexchange Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Do you mean from last year? The sound could very well have been different. Actually, I think the crowd came through better on TV over the last several years than it does now. Notice that NOW is when people who do not go to games have started complaining that the crowd is quiet--not last year. You're helping to make my point. Eleven is right: the crowds have definitely been alot quieter in the overall audio mix this year. It's very noticeable.
Stoner Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Do you mean from last year? The sound could very well have been different. Actually, I think the crowd came through better on TV over the last several years than it does now. Notice that NOW is when people who do not go to games have started complaining that the crowd is quiet--not last year. You're helping to make my point. No. I've been talking about it since 1978. Sounds like Bucky agrees (and in his recent NHL chat, he said the noise meter at the arena was more like .3, not 3.0): "It's funny how Buffalo has humbly plodded along and taken over first place in the division without the unmistakable buzz that accompanies local teams with promise. Fans are optimistic while proceeding with caution, reluctant to completely jump on board. You can't blame them. That's what happens when a team misses the playoffs for two straight seasons. The Sabres were only about 400 fans short of a sellout, but it sounded more like 4,000. Heck, fans couldn't even muster up enough rage to greet winger Daniel Paille with the customary boos reserved for ex-Sabres making their returns. He was treated largely with indifference, which was basically how fans reacted for most of the game before hitting the streets and trying to make sense of another disappointing effort." http://www.buffalonews.com/opinions/columns/buckygleason/story/869068.html
Foligno's Nose Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 The crowd was definitely quieter last night than usual. A lot of Bruins fans scattered around the arena. I din't even notice the rowdies over in 308. They usually get a lot of chants and noise started. When they showed people on the tron and they screamed or yelled, it was easy to find them in the seating. At first I thought I had gained some Steve Austin/ Bionic hearing or something. After the Gaustad goal, the crowd erupted, as usual, but there was no real buzz at all last night. The entire place seemed to waiting for the Sabres to get the go-ahead goal. My daughter gave me sh*t for not clapping and cheering for every "Lets-Go-Buffalo" and such. God Bless Her. In summation, the crowd played like MacCarthur did last night - unsatisfactory. I blame myself as well dammitt! Where is that sharp knife????...
Eleven Posted November 21, 2009 Author Report Posted November 21, 2009 No. I've been talking about it since 1978. Sounds like Bucky agrees (and in his recent NHL chat, he said the noise meter at the arena was more like .3, not 3.0): "It's funny how Buffalo has humbly plodded along and taken over first place in the division without the unmistakable buzz that accompanies local teams with promise. Fans are optimistic while proceeding with caution, reluctant to completely jump on board. You can't blame them. That's what happens when a team misses the playoffs for two straight seasons. The Sabres were only about 400 fans short of a sellout, but it sounded more like 4,000. Heck, fans couldn't even muster up enough rage to greet winger Daniel Paille with the customary boos reserved for ex-Sabres making their returns. He was treated largely with indifference, which was basically how fans reacted for most of the game before hitting the streets and trying to make sense of another disappointing effort." http://www.buffalonews.com/opinions/columns/buckygleason/story/869068.html Since I'm not going to argue this in two threads...actually, I'm not going to argue it at all anymore (MSG's sound sucks and that's that, dammit!), I'll note this in an attempt to threadjack my own thread: Did we ever treat Daniel Paille with anything more than indifference? Was there much of a reason to get on a marginal player who was traded? And the boos haven't been customary for very long; we used to cheer returning alumni, not boo them.
repster Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 I was there last night and it seemed like the arena was more quiet than usual for a Friday night game. The game was a tight battle as opposed to a wide open affair with lots of end to end chances. The latter type of a game gets the crowd in a frenzy. Last night's game made it tough to get a vibe. A few Let's go Buffalo cheers came up but nothing sustained with passion. Scoring only one early goal will kind of kill the crowd and a second period like they had will result in a few scattered boos. Regarding Eleven's point on the TV sound - I wonder if it's any different for the local people watching in HD compared to the people getting it on Centre Ice in SD? I'm turning into this year's Labatt BLue - 1 in win 4 tries... Edit: I just read Bucky's article and I think he echoed what I said above. He hit the nail right on the head.
Stoner Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 Another thing. Wouldn't it behoove (love that word) the Sabres, through their broadcast arm, to do everything possible to make it sound loud in there? That in itself would become a selling point for Sabres hockey. I just don't think they have much to work with. If the mics suck, how come we hear every blessed Go Leafs Go and Oleo chant when the Leafs and Habs come to town? Klaxons, where do you stand on Klaxons?
Eleven Posted November 21, 2009 Author Report Posted November 21, 2009 Another thing. Wouldn't it behoove (love that word) the Sabres, through their broadcast arm, to do everything possible to make it sound loud in there? That in itself would become a selling point for Sabres hockey. I just don't think they have much to work with. If the mics suck, how come we hear every blessed Go Leafs Go and Oleo chant when the Leafs and Habs come to town? Klaxons, where do you stand on Klaxons? I hear every "Let's Go Buffalo" chant, too. I agree that the Sabres, if not MSG, should be doing something about it. I live around the corner from a fire station. I don't even hear Klaxons anymore.
Foligno's Nose Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 I hear every "Let's Go Buffalo" chant, too. I agree that the Sabres, if not MSG, should be doing something about it. I live around the corner from a fire station. I don't even hear Klaxons anymore. They could be doing a lot more to sell the game buy making the video and audio the best it can be for EVERY NHL game broadcast. It is 2010 already. All HD, with quiet crowds or not, sells this game better than free tickets. And WTF is a Klaxon? Weren't they the second cousins of the Klingons??? www.askwilliamshatner.
sweeper Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 After Wednesdays crapfest I wasn't in much of a mood to go nuts and make a ton of noise...and yesterdays game was pretty boring overall, so no need to go crazy there either. If the Sabres give me something to cheer about, then I'll scream my head off... The two most annoying people on the planet were sitting behind me again, that didn't help raise my spirits either.
tulax Posted November 21, 2009 Report Posted November 21, 2009 18,000 people in HSBC arena are just as loud as 18,000 people in any other arena. And for the record, I've been to 3 games in Carolina (3 playoff games), 2 in Boston, and one in DC. I think it really depends on the style of the building. For example, I saw a game at Madison Square Garden and I thought the seating layout made the place louder. There is no prominent upper level at the Garden making it, in my opinion, louder than HSBC. The only other arena that I've been to that gets louder than HSBC is the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia, which seats roughly 1,000 more people. I've also been to Prudential Center and St. Pete Times Forum, which don't come close to HSBC or the other two.
Eleven Posted November 22, 2009 Author Report Posted November 22, 2009 The two most annoying people on the planet were sitting behind me again, that didn't help raise my spirits either. I swear that PA and I were not sitting there. Maybe the third and fourth most annoying people?
wjag Posted November 23, 2009 Report Posted November 23, 2009 I think it really depends on the style of the building. For example, I saw a game at Madison Square Garden and I thought the seating layout made the place louder. There is no prominent upper level at the Garden making it, in my opinion, louder than HSBC. The only other arena that I've been to that gets louder than HSBC is the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia, which seats roughly 1,000 more people. I've also been to Prudential Center and St. Pete Times Forum, which don't come close to HSBC or the other two. I'm making a conscious effort to try and see hockey games when my travel allows it. Last week I was in Dallas for the Blue Jackets game. I got two tickets for $12 each and sat in the 300s. You could get into the building for $4 if you wanted. They had like 5,000 fans. The fans were active, but it wasn't too loud since Columbus pasted them. I've been to a Capitals-Florida game as well. That place was hands down louder than HSBC. Paid $90 bucks total, delivered, for four 300 level seats. I was at HSBC opening night for Montreal. I was the one who began this quiet crowd at the Hot Sauce Blue Cheese Arena. That night the crowd was clearly quiet. Paid $115 to sit in the 100s. Now to be fair to HSBC, I'm heading back for the Canes game this weekend. Got four tickets for $200 to sit in the 300s and after Christmas I'll see Ottawa for $160. Just goes to show you how high priced Buffalo tickets are for a 'couple points shy of a playoff team' team
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