LabattBlue Posted October 21, 2009 Report Posted October 21, 2009 A 3rd line center who doesnt really score, is good on faceoffs ...... all for 2.5 million what a steal.... Thank you. As stated in my previous post, if Gaustad doesn't bring his physical game to the rink EACH AND EVERY GAME, he is not worth it. Not to mention that he is now a 2.5 mil center on the 4th line.
Stoner Posted October 21, 2009 Report Posted October 21, 2009 Aren't their face-offs won up this year...so far? I haven't seen face-offs as a problem yet, which means the centers are doing their jobs - theoretically. Caveats - or the like - love them! Or not. I'd still like to see better stats in hockey. How many are won cleanly? How many are won off scrums, and who besides the center should get credit for a win? The data is (are?) all there for the league to tell us the top 10 faceoff guys in the defensive zone in the final five minutes when their teams are leading by a goal. Write the code! Now!
shrader Posted October 21, 2009 Report Posted October 21, 2009 I'd still like to see better stats in hockey. How many are won cleanly? How many are won off scrums, and who besides the center should get credit for a win? The data is (are?) all there for the league to tell us the top 10 faceoff guys in the defensive zone in the final five minutes when their teams are leading by a goal. Write the code! Now! Those defensive zone draws are the most clear too. Any sane center wouldn't dare attempt the "intentional loss so you can attack the puck" move there. I'm definitely with you on the rest of this post. So many of those faceoffs are the ones that kick over to the side where two wings battle it out for the loose puck. That stuff is never mentioned.
korab rules Posted October 21, 2009 Report Posted October 21, 2009 Those defensive zone draws are the most clear too. Any sane center wouldn't dare attempt the "intentional loss so you can attack the puck" move there. I'm definitely with you on the rest of this post. So many of those faceoffs are the ones that kick over to the side where two wings battle it out for the loose puck. That stuff is never mentioned. This is absolutely true. A center's face off win % is only as good as his wingers. Very few clean wins in this league.
FogBat Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Since the criminals have been out of the picture, I don't think they've done too badly in the 1st. Big hit: Vanek Decent hit (to potentially big hit): Stafford, Myers Miss: Zagrapan, Persson Too early to tell: Ennis, Kassian. 3-5 NHLers isn't bad out of 7 picks. When you are trying to project how an 18 yr old kid is going to play 3+ years down the road, there is an element of crapshoot to it. (with cynicism) Excuse me, but who are these people you just mentioned? Seems like I may have heard about them once or twice, but nothing since then.
WayneGibbous Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Sabres.com story was 'SABRES ACQUIRE THIRD-ROUND DRAFT PICK FROM BOSTON' Oh yeah, and Danny Paille was traded as well. Seriously what the hell is that?
wonderbread Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 He looks like a prick now. We should talk about him for the next 15 years and lament the loss of Dan Paille on this team. Maybe we can do a comparison of the 3rd pick and Paille in 2016. See if they stack up. :nana: As far as i'm concerned he's on the Bruins and I'd like to see him lose with the Bruins.
SteamRoller72 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 I could be wrong, but hasn't Kennedy centred Grier and Hecht the last three or four games. I though they dropped the goose to the 4th line. Saying that, I agree with you that he has played relatively well so far this season. Corrected. I'm wrong there...4th line. Anyone see Gaustad's NHL rank for face-offs?
X. Benedict Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 I really don't see anything to lament here. I thought based on the pre-season that Paille should have been waived - meaning anyone could have picked him up. Darcy holds on to him for 2.5 weeks past the sell date and works a 3rd round out of it. Paille takes Kobasew's roster spot. Which is a Net loss for the Bruins.
Stoner Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Paille assists on the game-winning goal tonight in Boston.
Two or less Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Since the criminals have been out of the picture, I don't think they've done too badly in the 1st. Big hit: Vanek Decent hit (to potentially big hit): Stafford, Myers Miss: Zagrapan, Persson Too early to tell: Ennis, Kassian. 3-5 NHLers isn't bad out of 7 picks. When you are trying to project how an 18 yr old kid is going to play 3+ years down the road, there is an element of crapshoot to it. It's been mentioned for last several years that the Sabres have been failures in the first round in years. Everyone on this forum knew Paille was a bust long before he was traded for draft picks. I really doubt he'll ever become a player of first round value, even if he does play decent for Boston. However, it should be noted Sabres are one of the best teams drafting in later rounds, as someone posted the article last year from a Vancouver guy. As much as i'd wanna harp on the Sabres for lack of picking good talent, they are not the only ones. Tons of teams had tons of misses the previous 10 years and only the last 2 or so years has the draft gotten better. I think more attention is turned to Europe and the juniors in Canada and scouting has improved. I once read an article on tsn, that teams now spend like 5-6 times MORE on scouting then just 5 years ago. Not sure how much the average team spends, or the Sabres... but that was a pretty incredible stat when i heard it.
FogBat Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 1, I really don't see anything to lament here. 2, I thought based on the pre-season that Paille should have been waived - meaning anyone could have picked him up. 3, Darcy holds on to him for 2.5 weeks past the sell date and works a 3rd round out of it. 4, Paille takes Kobasew's roster spot. Which is a Net loss for the Bruins. 1, I agree completely. 2, True, but what would we have gotten in return? History has shown that we can't always add by subtracting, which leads to... 3, DR may have made a smart move for once. It could have been worse. See question in #2. 4, That's what it looks like on paper. A change of scenery may make us wonder if he shows flashes of brilliance at the start, but sometimes they wind up fluttering like paper in a wind tunnel. Having said that, while I haven't had the time to look at the Bruins message board, they might bemoan this trade in the long run - especially if the draft pick(s) coming our way actually amount to something.
SDS Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Paille assists on the game-winning goal tonight in Boston. Bernier was a beast his 1st game with the Sabres too. Chalk it up to adrenaline.
Two or less Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Bernier was a beast his 1st game with the Sabres too. Chalk it up to adrenaline. The winning goal was all Sabres... Paille to Begin. haha SDS, check your PM.
FogBat Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Bernier was a beast his 1st game with the Sabres too. Chalk it up to adrenaline. IIRC, everything went south from there for Bernier. He was certainly no Butch Goring.
X. Benedict Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 1, I agree completely. 2, True, but what would we have gotten in return? History has shown that we can't always add by subtracting, which leads to... 3, DR may have made a smart move for once. It could have been worse. See question in #2. 4, That's what it looks like on paper. A change of scenery may make us wonder if he shows flashes of brilliance at the start, but sometimes they wind up fluttering like paper in a wind tunnel. Having said that, while I haven't had the time to look at the Bruins message board, they might bemoan this trade in the long run - especially if the draft pick(s) coming our way actually amount to something. 2. Basically the roster spot was clearly won by Kennedy. I think Gerbe was the second choice for the spot..but Gerbe could get sent directly to Portland so that was the choice, Paille had to survive waivers....so rather than risk waivers the decision was to keep Paille and deal him.
Taro T Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 It's been mentioned for last several years that the Sabres have been failures in the first round in years. Everyone on this forum knew Paille was a bust long before he was traded for draft picks. I really doubt he'll ever become a player of first round value, even if he does play decent for Boston. However, it should be noted Sabres are one of the best teams drafting in later rounds, as someone posted the article last year from a Vancouver guy. As much as i'd wanna harp on the Sabres for lack of picking good talent, they are not the only ones. Tons of teams had tons of misses the previous 10 years and only the last 2 or so years has the draft gotten better. I think more attention is turned to Europe and the juniors in Canada and scouting has improved. I once read an article on tsn, that teams now spend like 5-6 times MORE on scouting then just 5 years ago. Not sure how much the average team spends, or the Sabres... but that was a pretty incredible stat when i heard it. It'd be interesting to read the article if you can find the link. I would not be surprised by that stat in the least, if it is referring to the big market clubs. Teams like Detroit and the Rangers had payrolls around $100MM prior to the lockout. (Sorry, too tired to look up what they actually were at.) Even if they were only at $80MM, that still leaves them $25MM that they can't spend on players. Put some of that into your pocket, but if you put the bulk of it into scouting then you should, in theory, be able to skew your odds of winning. Fortunately for us, drafting remains essentially a crapshoot. ;)
inkman Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 (with cynicism) Excuse me, but who are these people you just mentioned? Seems like I may have heard about them once or twice, but nothing since then. Persson is in Portland, playing like a butt pirate (7GP -4, 1 A). Zagrapan is overseas in the KHL with 9 points in 16 games. Not sure what the level of competition is like but I've heard it's similar to the AHL.
shrader Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Having said that, while I haven't had the time to look at the Bruins message board, they might bemoan this trade in the long run - especially if the draft pick(s) coming our way actually amount to something. Boston has about 85 picks coming up in the next two drafts. If by some chance we get a gem with either of those picks, it will be a player that Boston will still have just as much of a chance to pick with or without this trade. Anyone who might complain about that in the future is an idiot.
Two or less Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 It'd be interesting to read the article if you can find the link. I would not be surprised by that stat in the least, if it is referring to the big market clubs. Teams like Detroit and the Rangers had payrolls around $100MM prior to the lockout. (Sorry, too tired to look up what they actually were at.) Even if they were only at $80MM, that still leaves them $25MM that they can't spend on players. Put some of that into your pocket, but if you put the bulk of it into scouting then you should, in theory, be able to skew your odds of winning. Fortunately for us, drafting remains essentially a crapshoot. ;) I couldn't find the article, or maybe even it was during the draft coverage. But i did find this article which says teams are putting more effort and money into the draft now. It's basically same point i made because recently we've seen more guys go directly to NHL and less first round busts. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=423891 I'll keep looking for that other article when i have more time tho.
rbochan Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 I've seen this trade discussed on quite a few other teams' boards. The general consensus is that the Sabres got shafted.
shrader Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 I couldn't find the article, or maybe even it was during the draft coverage. But i did find this article which says teams are putting more effort and money into the draft now. It's basically same point i made because recently we've seen more guys go directly to NHL and less first round busts. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=423891 I'll keep looking for that other article when i have more time tho. The increased talent level is part of why there are more guys making the jump immediately, but the salary cap and the CBA are the main reasons for it. Thanks to the entry level contract restrictions, it's cheaper to bring the kids up right away than it is to sign the Dominic Moores and Max Afinogenovs, the mid-level talents of the league.
inkman Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 I've seen this trade discussed on quite a few other teams' boards. The general consensus is that the Sabres got shafted. Then the general consensus is stupid.
Stoner Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Then the general consensus is stupid. The general consensus isn't a bunch of Regier-sychophant homers.
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