another major trade

[LabattBlue]

I thought you said your hero's job was to 'bitch slap' good players?

 

He couldn't get San Jose past the 1st round, but according to you he 'bitch slaps' players like Vanek.

 

This is what these forums have devolved into.

Is this the fall out from sabre.com message boards being down for a couple of days? Good job of fitting in newbie! :doh:

[korab rules]

Courtesy of chz.

 

My link

[Guru]

There you go with the short sentences ending with ? marks again.

I have to keep them short, I don't want you getting confused.

[carpandean]

The only difference is that a couple of OT/SOs went the other way. How much do think leadership matters in a SO?

So wait a minute here, fans want to give credit to Gaustad by saying he helps the team win with leadership.

But now I am to accept that he DOESN'T effect overtime play.

Notice that I very specifically only included SOs in the second sentence. Of course, leadership helps in OT. However, the Sabres lost four games in OT (not SOs) last year and two were with Gaustad; two were without. They also won 2 in OT (again, not SOs) and one was with Gaustad; one was without. So, the actual difference was, in fact, that two SOs went the other way with Gaustad in the lineup. My point isn't that the team was better with him in (based purely on statistics, you can't claim that, but that you cannot really say that they were worse, in any real way, either.)

 

I would definitely describe Paul as someone who seems (you are right that we don't know for sure, but what little we do see and what players have said seems to confirm it) to have leadership qualities and is starting to take on that role. That is not to say that he will ever be captain, but leaders rarely lead alone. He can be one of the guys that keeps that team focused and fired up.

 

You seem like you have some intelligence and we/I always appreciate a good debate, but if you continue throw personal insults, you will lose all credibility and end up having discussions with yourself (very close to my ignore list already.)

[FogBat]

Haven't you posted about 1000 times that Lindy should be fired?

 

As for Vanek, the question isn't whether he would bring little in return, it's whether he would bring equal or (hopefully) greater value in return. How many players are there in the NHL that you would trade a 25-year-old with 40+ goals in 2 of the last 3 years for? And how many of those players are employed by teams who would trade them for Vanek?

 

Yes, in theory, if we could get Ovechkin for Vanek and Pommer, I would do it in a heartbeat. But that's not out there. More likely it would be a couple of lesser players in exchange for Vanek. I'll pass.

 

 

We won't know for sure until they play the games, but I completely disagree that this is a good trade for Ottawa. As I said, Michalek is a good player. Heatley is a much better player. Cheechoo is pretty close to a complete washout, with a Hecht-like albatross of a contract in the bargain.

 

Also, the Rivet trade was last summer, and it helped the team.

Oh, no doubt! Cheechoo had that one miraculous year because Joe Thornton got traded from the B's to the Sharks and there was a flash of temporary chemistry. Ever since then, he hasn't even come close to posting the numbers he did back in 2005-06 and they've been on freefall since then (and I just checked Wikipedia).

 

As for Chris Pronger, his career is probably on the wane. Oh, well. Another Flyer we'll probably grow to hate.

[FogBat]

Is it me, or is "Guru" a "reincarnation" of this horribly conceited guy.

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Is it me, or is "Guru" a "reincarnation" of this horribly conceited guy.

 

 

I think it was established last week, when it was here as KK6666. The guy, assuming it's a guy, is a troll, and it's either an act or some pathological condition. Take pity, but please do not feed.

[FogBat]

I think it was established last week, when it was here as KK6666. The guy, assuming it's a guy, is a troll, and it's either an act or some pathological condition. Take pity, but please do not feed.

In other words, once he knows that his welcome has been worn out in quick fashion, he signs up as someone else and keeps repeating the process. Gotcha. An internet pest who actually makes Sean Avery and Chris Neil seem like angels.

 

Wouldn't the mods have the ability to keep track of someone's IP address in case someone is a suspected hit-and-run troll?

[deluca67]

Haven't you posted about 1000 times that Lindy should be fired?

 

As for Vanek, the question isn't whether he would bring little in return, it's whether he would bring equal or (hopefully) greater value in return. How many players are there in the NHL that you would trade a 25-year-old with 40+ goals in 2 of the last 3 years for? And how many of those players are employed by teams who would trade them for Vanek?

 

Yes, in theory, if we could get Ovechkin for Vanek and Pommer, I would do it in a heartbeat. But that's not out there. More likely it would be a couple of lesser players in exchange for Vanek. I'll pass.

 

 

We won't know for sure until they play the games, but I completely disagree that this is a good trade for Ottawa. As I said, Michalek is a good player. Heatley is a much better player. Cheechoo is pretty close to a complete washout, with a Hecht-like albatross of a contract in the bargain.

 

Also, the Rivet trade was last summer, and it helped the team.

The Sabres went from 10th before the Rivet trade to 10th after the Rivet trade. They were also just as soft and unwilling to protect Miller. So, if you don't mind, can you please point out where Rivet "helped" the Sabres.

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The Sabres went from 10th before the Rivet trade to 10th after the Rivet trade. They were also just as soft and unwilling to protect Miller. So, if you don't mind, can you please point out where Rivet "helped" the Sabres.

 

 

I think maybe a Sabre or two less had their butts kicked, who would have otherwise without "Rivs" there to save them.

[nfreeman]

The Sabres went from 10th before the Rivet trade to 10th after the Rivet trade. They were also just as soft and unwilling to protect Miller. So, if you don't mind, can you please point out where Rivet "helped" the Sabres.

Well, you watched the games last year just like I did. If you really don't think Rivet was a strong addition, I don't know what to say. Was he a one-man solution to the team-wide lack of leadership and mental toughness? No. They needed at least 2 more like him (which is what it looks like they added this summer) and a veteran who can score (which we're still waiting for). But he was a big step forward in that department. It's not a coincidence that he was named captain, which is pretty uncommon for a new player joining a team.