end the curse Posted September 16, 2009 Report Posted September 16, 2009 Well, actually, he has shown signs, him and his company RIM just had to pay a huge fine here in Canada about a year ago for some shady dealing. Add to that the fact that he plays by his own rules, whoch he has shown each time he has tried to buy a franchise, and he is showing he is not a guy that can be trusted. He hasn't done anything criminal yet, but he hasn't shown he is an upstanding trustworthy citizen :lol: :lol: priceless...
Eleven Posted September 16, 2009 Report Posted September 16, 2009 You just summed up about 75% of all business men and about 100% of all lawyers....... :beer: Easy there...
Foligno's Nose Posted September 16, 2009 Report Posted September 16, 2009 Gee, the highly ambiguous, yet obnoxiously arrogant, "wow" response. "Wow" what? "Wow, I have hemorrhoids and they are hurting right now"? "Wow, I like fat chicks"? What does "wow" mean here? (excuse the delay in responding here...) It is a Wow - I can't beleive someone would state that this league knows what it is doing. The lockout. the southern expansion. the failure to adequately televise their own games. need more??? Wow.
nfreeman Posted September 16, 2009 Report Posted September 16, 2009 (excuse the delay in responding here...) It is a Wow - I can't beleive someone would state that this league knows what it is doing. The lockout. the southern expansion. the failure to adequately televise their own games. need more??? Wow. I know NHL-bashing is a popular pastime (especially in the GWN), and that for some it's an accepted article of faith that Bettman and the NHL are a bunch of clueless bozos, but I don't agree. I think each of the items you mentioned were legitimate and justifiable business choices. Each of them was supported by compelling, logical reasons. Some aspects of these decisions may not have turned out well, but I don't think any of them has been a failure or was ill-considered. In fact, I think a lot of people would consider the lockout a roaring success for the NHL (the owners, not the players). I'm happy to discuss the other 2 items if you like, but I think the broader point is that the NHL owners and senior management are, by and large, people who are pretty smart and have been extremely successful professionally -- not a bunch of bumbling idiots as they are often portrayed.
... Posted September 16, 2009 Report Posted September 16, 2009 I know NHL-bashing is a popular pastime (especially in the GWN), and that for some it's an accepted article of faith that Bettman and the NHL are a bunch of clueless bozos, but I don't agree. I think each of the items you mentioned were legitimate and justifiable business choices. Each of them was supported by compelling, logical reasons. Some aspects of these decisions may not have turned out well, but I don't think any of them has been a failure or was ill-considered. In fact, I think a lot of people would consider the lockout a roaring success for the NHL (the owners, not the players). I'm happy to discuss the other 2 items if you like, but I think the broader point is that the NHL owners and senior management are, by and large, people who are pretty smart and have been extremely successful professionally -- not a bunch of bumbling idiots as they are often portrayed. NHL bashing is popular among those who don't understand business.
shrader Posted September 16, 2009 Report Posted September 16, 2009 I know NHL-bashing is a popular pastime (especially in the GWN), and that for some it's an accepted article of faith that Bettman and the NHL are a bunch of clueless bozos, but I don't agree. I think each of the items you mentioned were legitimate and justifiable business choices. Each of them was supported by compelling, logical reasons. Some aspects of these decisions may not have turned out well, but I don't think any of them has been a failure or was ill-considered. In fact, I think a lot of people would consider the lockout a roaring success for the NHL (the owners, not the players). I'm happy to discuss the other 2 items if you like, but I think the broader point is that the NHL owners and senior management are, by and large, people who are pretty smart and have been extremely successful professionally -- not a bunch of bumbling idiots as they are often portrayed. And let's not forget that the NHLPA is as responsible, if not more, for the lockout. People always want to blame the league, but the players played a major role in that.
end the curse Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 There are those who still think that OJ was innocent and the World Trade Center was an inside job, so I think we need to recognize that nothing in this world is ever unanimous and move on. Similarly, if some people want to cling to the idea that Gary Bettman is a brilliant commissioner, and that the NHL is a very well run organization, they are entitled to their opinions. After all, this is the internet and that comes with the territory.
... Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 After all, this is the internet and that comes with the territory. Your not-so-veiled insults in this thread are getting old.
end the curse Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 Your not-so-veiled insults in this thread are getting old. Sorry, but if civil disagreement offends your delicate sensibilities than a message board may not be the smartest place for you to play.
Eleven Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 There are those who still think that OJ was innocent and the World Trade Center was an inside job, so I think we need to recognize that nothing in this world is ever unanimous and move on. Similarly, if some people want to cling to the idea that Gary Bettman is a brilliant commissioner, and that the NHL is a very well run organization, they are entitled to their opinions. After all, this is the internet and that comes with the territory. ETC, are you equating people who don't agree with your position, with 9/11 deniers?
Two or less Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 What is all this argument for? Correct me if i'm wrong, i haven't paid that much attention to it besides bits and pieces, since i truly believe NHL will win this tug of war with this lunatic, but the courts decided that NHL has the right to determine which cities can represent the league? NHL has been consistent over the past several years saying that they have the right to veto any cities from joining their league and must approve any city changes. Courts upheld it. I'm not saying Coyotes will remain in the desert, but no way will they be in Hamilton. NHL doesn't want it. And Balsillie has stated, if it's not Hamilton, he's backing out. And, has the great one arrived yet? lol
end the curse Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 ETC, are you equating people who don't agree with your position, with 9/11 deniers? Read into it what you will, but I stand by my comment 100%.
Eleven Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 Read into it what you will, but I stand by my comment 100%. I don't want to read anything into it; that's why I requested clarification: are you equating people who don't agree with your position, with 9/11 deniers?
nfreeman Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 I don't want to read anything into it; that's why I requested clarification: are you equating people who don't agree with your position, with 9/11 deniers? 11, it's of course totally up to you, but I think a balloon ride is a much more pleasant way to experience giant volumes of hot air. As I've learned from being around my father-in-law, some people just like to opine on things they don't know much about, and when they get called on it, the defensive reaction is to get loud.
end the curse Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 11, it's of course totally up to you, but I think a balloon ride is a much more pleasant way to experience giant volumes of hot air. As I've learned from being around my father-in-law, some people just like to opine on things they don't know much about, and when they get called on it, the defensive reaction is to get loud. The irony is astounding...
shrader Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 Putting all of this to the side for a second... we still have heard nothing. This can't help Balsillie in any way.
end the curse Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 Putting all of this to the side for a second... we still have heard nothing. This can't help Balsillie in any way. Today Moyes filed for mediation, which to me a clear sign that he is pretty certain the NHL bid will win and he's panicking. I'd be shocked if the Balsillie bid is selected, and am very interested in reading Judge Baum's opinion in the ruling.
shrader Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 Today Moyes filed for mediation, which to me a clear sign that he is pretty certain the NHL bid will win and he's panicking. I'd be shocked if the Balsillie bid is selected, and am very interested in reading Judge Baum's opinion in the ruling. Even though I've seen things that suggest that Balsillie has been willing to be more flexible with his cutoff date for relocation, I can't think of any possible way that this long delay favors him. I'd guess that it's pretty much over for him too, but the thing I'm more curious about is the Coyotes current lack of a head coach.
end the curse Posted September 24, 2009 Report Posted September 24, 2009 Today Balsillie rescinded his intentions to move the franchise to Hamilton for this coming season, offered to postpone formally aquiring the team until June to allow any other offers to keep the team in Phoenix be entertained, and then give $50 million to Glendale as a parting gift before taking the team to Hamilton for the 2010-11 campaign. It's a great offer, a smart offer, probably the offer he should have come to the table with a long time ago, and one that's designed to pave the way for the anti-trust lawsuit he'll be filing after Baum awards the Coyotes to Bettman. I think it's where he saw this going from the very start, and all of this was setting the stage for that which is to come.
... Posted September 24, 2009 Report Posted September 24, 2009 I would imagine that if Balsillie were to pick nearly any other Canadian market, the NHL would tell the court that this latest offer is acceptable. But, as we've argued, the bug-a-boo is Balsillie wanting it to be in Hamilton.
end the curse Posted September 24, 2009 Report Posted September 24, 2009 I would imagine that if Balsillie were to pick nearly any other Canadian market, the NHL would tell the court that this latest offer is acceptable. But, as we've argued, the bug-a-boo is Balsillie wanting it to be in Hamilton. Thus, the lawsuit to come. This has always been a pissing contest between MLSE's contention they have veto rights to stop any relocation/expansion into Southern Ontario, the league has contended it's not true with a wink and a nod, and Balsillie is looking to take it to anti-trust court for a judge to decide.
... Posted September 24, 2009 Report Posted September 24, 2009 Thus, the lawsuit to come. This has always been a pissing contest between MLSE's contention they have veto rights to stop any relocation/expansion into Southern Ontario, the league has contended it's not true with a wink and a nod, and Balsillie is looking to take it to anti-trust court for a judge to decide. There won't be a lawsuit, not at least in the USA. The crux of the ruling will be on this very matter: if the judge could legally force the NHL into putting a team into a given market, it sounds like THIS judge would. Be he can't - or shouldn't - because then he would be going against precedent at the very least. That issue will be effectively ruled on here. Hence the reason for the play by Balsille now.
LabattBlue Posted September 24, 2009 Report Posted September 24, 2009 I would imagine that if Balsillie were to pick nearly any other Canadian market, the NHL would tell the court that this latest offer is acceptable. But, as we've argued, the bug-a-boo is Balsillie wanting it to be in Hamilton. Whatever happened to Balsillie wanting to locate a franchise in the Kitchener/Waterloo part of Ontario?
end the curse Posted September 24, 2009 Report Posted September 24, 2009 There won't be a lawsuit, not at least in the USA. Link?
... Posted September 24, 2009 Report Posted September 24, 2009 Link? I don't think the internet is capable of acting as a time machine yet, hence future events can not be linked to at the current time.
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