deluca67 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Posted August 30, 2009 I'm going to say that when a player's best "attribute," for lack of a better word, is his personality... he's a mediocre player. I'll take a team of skill players over a team of "personality" players any day. There are players out there with "skill" and "personality." That is the boat that some fans and especially Regier seem to be missing. There are players who bring toughness and can play a regular shift in the NHL. Regier seems to believe that toughness is only reserved for the fourth line or the AHL.
carpandean Posted August 30, 2009 Report Posted August 30, 2009 There are players out there with "skill" and "personality." That is the boat that some fans and especially Regier seem to be missing. There are players who bring toughness and can play a regular shift in the NHL. Regier seems to believe that toughness is only reserved for the fourth line or the AHL. More likely, he doesn't have or isn't willing to give up what it takes to bring in guys with both. He did draft Kassian, after all. While he may end up as just a third/fourth liner, I doubt that's what they were thinking when they took him.
henysgol Posted August 30, 2009 Report Posted August 30, 2009 I'm going to say that when a player's best "attribute," for lack of a better word, is his personality... he's a mediocre player. I'll take a team of skill players over a team of "personality" players any day. And all those "skill" players will be getting hammered all over the ice.
Ted's Hot Dogs Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 The sabres will make the playoffs this year
wjag Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 The sabres will make the playoffs this year They're going to have to, 'cause their cross town sports brethren are pointing towards a truly painful viewing experience even by Buffalo standards....
inkman Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 Mediocre players have no personality skill. Fixed.
Calvin Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 Boston, Pittsburgh, New Jersey and Philly. i almost always agree with your views DeLuca.. but this time i have to respectfully disagree.. i sincerely doubt that either the Philly or NJ squads have top of the line depth..  Philly Forwards - Arron Asham; Danny Briere; Daniel Carcillo; Jeff Carter; Riley Cote; Ryan Dingle; Simon Gagne; Claude Giroux; Scott Hartnell; Lukas Kaspar; Krystofer Kolanos; Ian Laperriere; Darroll Powe; Mika Pyorala; Mike Richards; Jason Ward; James van Riemsdyk Defense - Marc-Andre Bourdon; Matt Carle; Braydon Coburn; Randy Jones; Joonas Lehtivuori; Joey Mormina; Ryan Parent; Chris Pronger; Kimmo Timonen; Ole-Kristian Tollefsen Goalies - Johan Backlund; Brian Boucher; Ray Emery  New Jersey Forwards - David Clarkson; Patrik Elias; Jamie Langenbrunner; Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond; Bradley Mills; Jay Pandolfo; Zach Parise; Rod Pelley; Nathan Perkovich; Ilkka Pikkarainen; Brian Rolston; Tim Sestito; Brendan Shanahan; Myles Stoesz; Alexander Vasyunov; Travis Zajac; Dainius Zubrus Defense - Rob Davison; Andy Greene; Jay Leach; Paul Martin; Mike Mottau; Cory Murphy; John Oduya; Bryce Salvador; Colin White Goalies - Martin Brodeur; Yann Danis
nfreeman Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 Boston, Pittsburgh, New Jersey and Philly. Â Buffalo right now has a top line of Vanek, Roy and Pominville and a bunch of third and mostly fourth line players. That's not depth. The worst example of this is MacArthur who may be a second line player on the Sabres. When you have fourth line talent projecting that high you can't say you have depth. You can pretend otherwise all you like, but TC is the #1 center.
Eric in Akron Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 I don't think there is too much depth, except on the 3rd and 4th lines. Â Look at the roster and after you have Connolly-Vanek-Roy on the first line, give me a 2nd line you are comfortable with. I'm not seeing one.
deluca67 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 You can pretend otherwise all you like, but TC is the #1 center. On this team he may be. Like MacArthur is a top six forward and Montador a top four defenseman. Thanks for helping make my point of a lack of depth.
henysgol Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 Fixed. Â Wow, it never ceases to amaze me. Most of the guys who're on the Sabres HAVE skill. It's up to them to show up every night, every shift. There's so many players(in the whole league) who have skill, but they're inconsistent. And what is a major factor in this? A player's PERSONALITY. Let me use Tallinder as a prime example. He has shown us in the past how good he could be, but his lazy, spoiled brat personality gets in the way of his play. When a skilled player is in a slump,(excluding any problems in his personal life he's dealing with that he DIDN'T cause), it's usually because they're being self-centered egomaniacs. Now an example of the opposite--Ovechkin. He's consistent because it's in his personality to be. He remains a team player, even if he seems a little full of himself sometimes. He's having fun with it! I admire him because he puts forth an effort to NOT BE BORING on and off the ice. It DOES matter, just like any other person's personality matters in their success.
SwampD Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 Wow, it never ceases to amaze me. Most of the guys who're on the Sabres HAVE skill. It's up to them to show up every night, every shift. There's so many players(in the whole league) who have skill, but they're inconsistent. And what is a major factor in this? A player's PERSONALITY. Let me use Tallinder as a prime example. He has shown us in the past how good he could be, but his lazy, spoiled brat personality gets in the way of his play. When a skilled player is in a slump,(excluding any problems in his personal life he's dealing with that he DIDN'T cause), it's usually because they're being self-centered egomaniacs. Now an example of the opposite--Ovechkin. He's consistent because it's in his personality to be. He remains a team player, even if he seems a little full of himself sometimes. He's having fun with it! I admire him because he puts forth an effort to NOT BE BORING on and off the ice. It DOES matter, just like any other person's personality matters in their success. Don't you realize that hockey players are just robots. They have a certain amount of ability. The coach, in our case, "The Great and Mighty Ruff" puts them on the ice and just watches what happens, not unlike that vibrating football game. If only Darcy would have gotten better robots.
henysgol Posted August 31, 2009 Report Posted August 31, 2009 Don't you realize that hockey players are just robots. They have a certain amount of ability. The coach, in our case, "The Great and Mighty Ruff" puts them on the ice and just watches what happens, not unlike that vibrating football game. If only Darcy would have gotten better robots. Â Yes! You're right--robots!
nfreeman Posted September 1, 2009 Report Posted September 1, 2009 On this team he may be. Like MacArthur is a top six forward and Montador a top four defenseman. Thanks for helping make my point of a lack of depth. I will note my irrefutable objection to the Montador point and move on. Â Wow, it never ceases to amaze me. Most of the guys who're on the Sabres HAVE skill. It's up to them to show up every night, every shift. There's so many players(in the whole league) who have skill, but they're inconsistent. And what is a major factor in this? A player's PERSONALITY. Let me use Tallinder as a prime example. He has shown us in the past how good he could be, but his lazy, spoiled brat personality gets in the way of his play. When a skilled player is in a slump,(excluding any problems in his personal life he's dealing with that he DIDN'T cause), it's usually because they're being self-centered egomaniacs. Now an example of the opposite--Ovechkin. He's consistent because it's in his personality to be. He remains a team player, even if he seems a little full of himself sometimes. He's having fun with it! I admire him because he puts forth an effort to NOT BE BORING on and off the ice. It DOES matter, just like any other person's personality matters in their success. I completely agree with the first bolded part, but you lost me at the 2nd one.
inkman Posted September 1, 2009 Report Posted September 1, 2009 Wow, it never ceases to amaze me. Most of the guys who're on the Sabres HAVE skill. It's up to them to show up every night, every shift. There's so many players(in the whole league) who have skill, but they're inconsistent. And what is a major factor in this? A player's PERSONALITY. Let me use Tallinder as a prime example. He has shown us in the past how good he could be, but his lazy, spoiled brat personality gets in the way of his play. When a skilled player is in a slump,(excluding any problems in his personal life he's dealing with that he DIDN'T cause), it's usually because they're being self-centered egomaniacs. Now an example of the opposite--Ovechkin. He's consistent because it's in his personality to be. He remains a team player, even if he seems a little full of himself sometimes. He's having fun with it! I admire him because he puts forth an effort to NOT BE BORING on and off the ice. It DOES matter, just like any other person's personality matters in their success. It's hard for me to wrap my head around such in depth analysis when you have little to no idea what you are talking about. Tallinder's problems stem from when he broke his arm, the first time. He's played like a scared girl ever since. If you want to use motivation, drive, desire, or work ethic as a determining factor to a NHL players success, I may be on board but this personality wording makes it sound like Ovechkin's a good hockey player because he likes sunsets and long walks in the park. No correlation.
Stoner Posted September 1, 2009 Report Posted September 1, 2009 It's hard for me to wrap my head around such in depth analysis when you have little to no idea what you are talking about. Tallinder's problems stem from when he broke his arm, the first time. He's played like a scared girl ever since. If you want to use motivation, drive, desire, or work ethic as a determining factor to a NHL players success, I may be on board but this personality wording makes it sound like Ovechkin's a good hockey player because he likes sunsets and long walks in the park. No correlation. Â Neither one of you knows what Tallinder's problem is, if he has a problem at all.
inkman Posted September 1, 2009 Report Posted September 1, 2009 Neither one of you knows what Tallinder's problem is, if he has a problem at all. Well, he sure has sucked the last couple of years. From what I have gathered since then, many posters feel that his broken arm was the turing point for his bad play. This doesn't make it true, but it's curiously coincidental.
shrader Posted September 1, 2009 Report Posted September 1, 2009 It's hard for me to wrap my head around such in depth analysis when you have little to no idea what you are talking about. Tallinder's problems stem from when he broke his arm, the first time. He's played like a scared girl ever since. If you want to use motivation, drive, desire, or work ethic as a determining factor to a NHL players success, I may be on board but this personality wording makes it sound like Ovechkin's a good hockey player because he likes sunsets and long walks in the park. No correlation. Â It's a minor detail, but I'd go with when he re-broke the arm as the turning point for him. That's when the downward spiral really seemed to kick in.
spndnchz Posted September 1, 2009 Report Posted September 1, 2009 Well, he sure has sucked the last couple of years. From what I have gathered since then, many posters feel that his broken arm was the turing point for his bad play. This doesn't make it true, but it's curiously coincidental. Â Even Lindy mentioned his arm as a turning point in his game, I'd go with that.
Vanek Nation Posted September 1, 2009 Author Report Posted September 1, 2009 Nice to See Vogl has written an article on EXACTLY what I started this topic about. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on this board for the idea
shrader Posted September 1, 2009 Report Posted September 1, 2009 Nice to See Vogl has written an article on EXACTLY what I started this topic about. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on this board for the idea  Yeah, because you were the only person aware of this situation before you posted it. :thumbsup:
Stoner Posted September 1, 2009 Report Posted September 1, 2009 Yeah, because you were the only person aware of this situation before you posted it. :thumbsup: Â I like you. I don't care what people say about you privately; I like you.
Vanek Nation Posted September 1, 2009 Author Report Posted September 1, 2009 Haha i know mate, I just think vogl is a chump who in most cases his opinions are off about the sabres.
SabresBillsFan Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 I don't see Gerbe, Kennedy or Myers on this team on opening night either. I think Myers will get a few games but not full time. I would like to see Weber in instead of Nathan. I think it's time Weber gets his due.
KK6666 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Posted September 7, 2009 Nice to See Vogl has written an article on EXACTLY what I started this topic about. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on this board for the idea He did huh? I doubt that Vogl suggested that the Sabres have too much depth. I doubt that very very much.
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