Patrick Kane arrested

[Eleven]

Not one bit. Cabbies and delivery men/women are sitting ducks out there with most of the attacks not making the local news (unless it is series of attacks). There should be a greater outrage. People are too afraid of losing a local hero that it is clouding their sense of right and wrong. Too bad for Patrick Kane, you get what you deserve, this incident should be putting a spotlight on how dangerous Chippewa has become. Instead I have to read BS on how the cabbie needs to share the blame? What a F**king joke.

 

So, you'll take one guy's story---nah, screw it. No point.

[deluca67]

Actually, you both missed my point. It had nothing to do with the cabbies character...because I really don't care about his character. My point was that Deluca presumes to know everything that happened and has made his judgement, but then jumps on everyone else for doing the same thing. It must be so boring being you...to know all and see all...past and present...Are you the Kwisatz Haderach? Or should I just call you Paul.

Better than your previous attempt. Overall? I've seen a lot better.

 

If you chose not to have an opinion at this time? Good for you. You can wait like the others to hear what the Kane's lawyer decide will be the truth and you can run with that. :thumbsup:

[Stoner]

thank you, but the bold part doesn't make sense to me. Don't they have the choice to charge them whatever they want as long as they have a justified reason? Couldn't they ditch the robbery and just go with assault?

 

The evidence seems to support the idea that a robbery took place. The cousin had the torn five dollar bill in his pocket.

 

I also wondered why no assault charge. d4rk seems to know what he's talking about.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Does everyone realize that this "beat down" didn't even result in an assault charge? Doesn't that make anyone pause for a second from their public stoning?

 

 

I am going out on a limb here... :D You know why? Because the cops knew who 20 Cent was. Robbery is the flimsy felony.

 

If I was the cabbie, I would press assault charges after the fact.

 

Granted, this is all IF the cabbie is telling the truth. I assume he is, I may be wrong. In this case he deserves the benefit of doubt... He has to have that benefit until he is proven a liar. The cabbie should be treated at a higher social level than his fares, that is in the course of doing his job driving a cab.

[shrader]

The evidence seems to support the idea that a robbery took place. The cousin had the torn five dollar bill in his pocket.

 

I also wondered why no assault charge. d4rk seems to know what he's talking about.

 

That could come from anywhere though, couldn't it? I've had torn money on me all the time. If they're trying to take money off the guy, I can't see why they wouldn't take more than $5.

[ExiledInIllinois]

So, you'll take one guy's story---nah, screw it. No point.

 

 

YES! In this case the cabbie should have the benefit of doubt. 20 Cent is just a fare... His stardom has nothing to do with it. And that is why the whole mess started in the first place... Because the cabbie didn't recognize him and I believe that to be honest. EVEN if he did recognize him, why should he not treat him like all other Canisus students that he drops off on that street?

 

One thing would have avoided this whole situation:

 

20 Cent's unreasonable fear of a locked door and the failure to act humble and just pay up and not get so ticky tacky about the tip.

 

It is called humility my friends... Know when to hold, know when fold them, No when to walk, know when to run. There is nothing about fighting in that previous sentence.

 

Same thing wih the Cambridge police officer... Except the power roles are reversed here. 20 Cent is powerless in this situation EXCEPT to pay up and cut the cabbie some slack on not having TWO dimes (if that is even the truth, he just has to act humble and get played if it isn't the truth).

 

Humility and stars don't mix!

[ExiledInIllinois]

That could come from anywhere though, couldn't it? I've had torn money on me all the time. If they're trying to take money off the guy, I can't see why they wouldn't take more than $5.

 

 

They weren't taking money off the guy! Come on, even I don't believe that. They did take the fare back which is left of service... If these two clowns are getting arrested why not throw the money back (the whole 15 bucks) at the cabbie? You know why? Because they still couldn't get over the 20 cents AND BEING TREATED LIKE CANISUS STUDENTS WHO ACT LIKE LOW-LIFES.

 

:wallbash:

[SDS]

That could come from anywhere though, couldn't it? I've had torn money on me all the time. If they're trying to take money off the guy, I can't see why they wouldn't take more than $5.

 

which is an interesting point... Did he take back the full $15? If he only took back the $5 - is that theft of service? Certainly he isn't obligated to pay MORE than what the service cost. 1 penny or $100. So, did he just say - you can't give me all my change - then you don't get all your fare...? Would that really be considered theft of service if he took the smallest bill back? (I don't know if he took the full $15 back or not)

[Eleven]

They weren't taking money off the guy! Come on, even I don't believe that. They did take the fare back which is left of service... If these two clowns are getting arrested why not throw the money back (the whole 15 bucks) at the cabbie? You know why? Because they still couldn't get over the 20 cents AND BEING TREATED LIKE CANISUS STUDENTS WHO ACT LIKE LOW-LIFES.

 

:wallbash:

 

Point is, besides the fact that "know" (look up a couple of posts) and "Canisius" are spelled thusly, you're making a judgment with 1/2 of the facts. That's different than making a joke or an observation (as most of the posts in the first two pages of this thread were); you automatically are taking one side of the story. The Duke lacrosse case--cited earlier in the thread--is an important reminder of the dangers that presents. Those kids might have been rich brats, but they were innocent. Kane might be a rich brat, too, and he, too, might be innocent. Or not. You don't know (or "no," as above), and you probably never will.

 

What you're showing is an inherent hatred for people with money. Hey, I hope you have millions, or even billions, some day. I do! It won't hurt me one bit; maybe you can buy the team and get some decent FAs in. And I won't hate you for it, either. And if you get busted for ALLEGEDLY doing something stupid, and if you're still around here, yeah, I'll post a smartass remark or a silly photoshopped pic. But I won't prejudge you based upon the fact that you are, apparently, privileged.

 

Save the vitriol until you know what the f*ck really happened.

[shrader]

which is an interesting point... Did he take back the full $15? If he only took back the $5 - is that theft of service? Certainly he isn't obligated to pay MORE than what the service cost. 1 penny or $100. So, did he just say - you can't give me all my change - then you don't get all your fare...? Would that really be considered theft of service if he took the smallest bill back? (I don't know if he took the full $15 back or not)

 

With what has been put out there so far, the whole thing doesn't make sense. There's more to it than we'll ever know. Even with witnesses, we have no clue what went on inside that cab.

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One thing would have avoided this whole situation:

 

20 Cent's unreasonable fear of a locked door and the failure to act humble and just pay up and not get so ticky tacky about the tip.

 

It is called humility my friends... Know when to hold, know when fold them, No when to walk, know when to run. There is nothing about fighting in that previous sentence.

 

Same thing wih the Cambridge police officer... Except the power roles are reversed here. 20 Cent is powerless in this situation EXCEPT to pay up and cut the cabbie some slack on not having TWO dimes (if that is even the truth, he just has to act humble and get played if it isn't the truth).

 

Humility and stars don't mix!

 

 

How about reading the whole thread before giving us the what-for.

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With what has been put out there so far, the whole thing doesn't make sense. There's more to it than we'll ever know. Even with witnesses, we have no clue what went on inside that cab.

 

 

For all we know, the cabbie could have not heard what Kane was saying accurately. I mean, phrases like:

 

"Do you know it's past 4 A-M?"

 

"Do you know where to buy ham?

 

"Have you ever had an oral exam?"

 

"Do you know any songs by Wham?"

 

"Did you ever fight in Viet Nam?"

 

"Dude, I need a Denny's Grand Slam!"

 

...can all sound like "Do you know who I am?" in the heat of the moment. Only AFTERWARDS, when the cabbie knew he had a hockey star in the cab, would he remember what he said as "Do you know who I am?" because, as we've heard in this thread, that's what society expects someone like Kane to say when they're beating up an innocent, aged, cab driver who did absolutely nothing to provoke an attack.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Why are we speaking as if the Kanes jumped the fair when every single story out there says they paid it? Twisting stories to make one side or the other look like pure evil sure is fun.

 

 

If Shrader goes to the shin-dig Webster's organizing.....make sure he isn't in charge of the tip.

[Eleven]

I don't know nuthin' 'bout no law; why's he need his own lawyer?

 

Hey nobody--I just saw this. He needs his own lawyer because hypothetically (and let's all keep that word in mind here), the best defense for each guy might be "the other guy did it." One lawyer for both means that that defense can't be argued--it would be a conflict of interest, and perhaps more importantly, a complete farce in front of a judge or jury. ("My client didn't do it; my other client did it! No, he didn't; my other other client did it!") It's pretty routine even in civil matters for two related parties (related by blood, or parent/subsidiary corporations, or related by transaction, whatever) to get their own attorneys; it's even more routine, possibly even more necessary, in criminal matters.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Point is, besides the fact that "know" (look up a couple of posts) and "Canisius" are spelled thusly,

 

Save the vitriol until you know what the f*ck really happened.

 

Sorry... I always do it with spelling and especially with the word know... :wallbash: :wallbash: And with Canisius... I just forget that other "I"... Stupid of me and sorry... Just the way I say it in my head then transfer it to the written word! :wallbash: :wallbash:

 

And I believe I do know the facts, I don't need lawyers telling me them and putting their own spin on things. Unless the driver comes right out and says he lied, I am never going to change my mind. The Kanes are in the wrong unless the cabbie says he made the crap up.

 

EDIT: People, the bill was 13.80... You can clearly see the fare on the meter before the cabbie made the drop off. A good passenger has the 20 dollar bill in-hand waiting to give it to the cabbie... In this case an anonymous Pat Kane and cuz may have had the saw buck and fin waiting? :lol: Even if they gave him a c-note, being a superstar and a millionaire one should give the cabbie the c-note and walk away... NOT saying even who you are... That is called CLASS and being humble. Maybe the cabbie starts to change his tune with future Canisius fares and doesn't lock them in also... I don't think 20 Cent ever heard of the annonymous people who drop gold coins in the Salvation Army kettle... He should take a cue when it comes to class.

 

The point is NOBODY will ever know WTF happened. Really. I would never make a jury with regard to this case!

 

And there should be more vitriol on stuff like this. Don't let the system play you.

[ExiledInIllinois]

For all we know, the cabbie could have not heard what Kane was saying accurately. I mean, phrases like:

 

"Do you know it's past 4 A-M?"

 

"Do you know where to buy ham?

 

"Have you ever had an oral exam?"

 

"Do you know any songs by Wham?"

 

"Did you ever fight in Viet Nam?"

 

"Dude, I need a Denny's Grand Slam!"

 

...can all sound like "Do you know who I am?" in the heat of the moment. Only AFTERWARDS, when the cabbie knew he had a hockey star in the cab, would he remember what he said as "Do you know who I am?" because, as we've heard in this thread, that's what society expects someone like Kane to say when they're beating up an innocent, aged, cab driver who did absolutely nothing to provoke an attack.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

A guy like Paul Cambria needs you on his staff!

 

Man you guys are gone. Life isn't an NHL hockey game.

[ExiledInIllinois]

What you're showing is an inherent hatred for people with money. Hey, I hope you have millions, or even billions, some day. I do! It won't hurt me one bit; maybe you can buy the team and get some decent FAs in. And I won't hate you for it, either. And if you get busted for ALLEGEDLY doing something stupid, and if you're still around here, yeah, I'll post a smartass remark or a silly photoshopped pic. But I won't prejudge you based upon the fact that you are, apparently, privileged.

 

I still think OJ was innocent in the court case... YET, was part of the crime/murders. I do think 20 Cent should be allowed to buy himself the best legal defense possible and if he gets off, more power to him. Does that hate people with money?

 

I don't hate people with money... I despise people who throw influence around... NOT money... It is okay to throw money around!

[ExiledInIllinois]

Do you think Tiki Kane is controlling his son's money? You know his mother was flying back (or just got back) from Chicago when this all went down. WTF is she doing there? Doesn't she have her own life in WNY??

 

What I am getting at is that you would think 20 cent would have had at least say hundreds of dollars on him?? Even for me, what would a c-note been in that situation? It is okay to drop cash around and remain anonymous.

 

The one thing I do admit, he is young (fact) and doesn't know how th real world works... Let alone somebody with money. What cabbie is gonna break a 100, let alone say a 50???

 

He does need to be called out on the carpet for his cheap behavior... Then again maybe his parents are contolling his money??

 

Then again... Who am I to bring up this kind of class up? I would probably need somebody to manage my money because I would probably throw it around! :lol:

 

Yet... 13.80, 20 cents, 1 buck... The numbers don't add up... Even if he had big bills, why carry big bills? :wallbash:

 

He needs a lesson in life and maybe the freedom to walk around with a couple of grand... IMO, it would do wonders!

 

Flame away haters! :nana:

[darksabre]

thank you, but the bold part doesn't make sense to me. Don't they have the choice to charge them whatever they want as long as they have a justified reason? Couldn't they ditch the robbery and just go with assault?

 

Sure but why? Robbery is a felony, assault in this situation would only be a misdemeanor. If you're going to waste time on a court case and trial, etc., you definitely want to go with the higher charge.

 

 

Crimes merge as long as they're part of the same "transaction," under many circumstances, and I suspect d4rk is correct, although I certainly have not seen the prosecutors' papers.

 

As far as I understand it, yes, that is what happens.

 

I am going out on a limb here... :D You know why? Because the cops knew who 20 Cent was. Robbery is the flimsy felony.

 

If I was the cabbie, I would press assault charges after the fact.

 

I'm not sure how you can define robbery as a flimsy felony. A max of 15 years in prison doesn't seem flimsy to me.

 

Also, you can't press assault charges if you're already pressing 2nd degree robbery charges. That would be double jeopardy. You'd be charging him twice for the same crime. And if by after the fact, you mean a second trial/proceeding, then you definitely cannot do that.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Hey all you guys who don't agre with me... I accept your views... I don't agree with them... I respect them too.

 

This is like a mini-O.J. thing. Of course it isn't capital murder.

 

I think O.J. did it in some part or was there, but the state couldn't prove it. And rightly so, O.J. walked. Same here, the Kanes used violence, but the more sharp defense attoney's get innvolved, the more the story becomes flimsy. Kane will walk and rightly so.

[ExiledInIllinois]

This is too funny!

 

 

[inkman]

The point is NOBODY will ever know WTF happened. Really.

Nobody will know as much as the rest of us. I mean he posts here quite a bit. :beer:

[deluca67]

This is too funny!

 

 

I love the rap album cover. I can't wait to hear such songs as 'Stomp'n cabbies in the B-Lo' and 'Hey old man, don't you know who I am?'

[That Aud Smell]

We already know what the witness said,"Hurry! Send help! Two thugs are jumping a salt of the earth cabbie for no reason."

this made me laugh.

 

It seems to me that stories like this always tend to illustrate that ours is a society that has a.) lost its common sense and b.) lost its stomach to say there are absolute rights and wrongs.

agreed, again. i would add just one more thing: the level of derivative, swirling, specious, and often pointless debate that the incident has sparked here (i include myself, btw) is proof positive that training camp cannot start soon enough.

 

 

Does everyone realize that this "beat down" didn't even result in an assault charge? Doesn't that make anyone pause for a second from their public stoning?

i think d4rk covered this correctly -- robbery is essentially the combination of an assault + forcible taking of the victime's property -- it was the heavier charge.

 

This is too funny!

 

 

thank you, good sir. thank you.

[Stoner]

:lol: :lol:

 

A guy like Paul Cambria needs you on his staff!

 

Man you guys are gone. Life isn't an NHL hockey game.

 

I think you nailed something here. A lot of people seem to be bringing classic hockey attitudes into this discussion. Did the drive violate The Cabbie Code? If Kerry Fraser were the cop, would he have looked the other way while cruising past the scene?

 

BTW, the cabbie's laywer now says his client had a driver's license after all.