Patrick Kane arrested

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If Chris Neil did this......the same Homer appologists would be standing in line to piss on his grave.

 

 

I swear to God there's a debate/context/analogy handicap that oozes through every thread on this board.

 

No one is apologizing for Kane or condoning his even being in the cab at that time of the morning. What we're arguing over is a person's right to be considered innocent until PROVEN guilty.

 

The facts aren't even established, at least publickly, yet it seems at least half the publick has convicted the guy based on a media frenzy.

[deluca67]

Prior record is almost always taken into account. Looking at the current crime and the prior records of defendants is easily the primary function of a District Attorney. Prior record can determine plea deals, sentencing application, and a slew of other things. If Kane and cousin had prior records, you can damn well believe the prosecution would be looking at it.

Prior records are only permissible in a trial if the judge allows it through the motion process. The prior record has to be relevant to the case at hand and can not be used to incite or prejudice the jury.

[deluca67]

Did you get picked on by jocks in high school?

Actually my best friends growing up were all "jocks" who played multiple sports on the high school and college level.

[ExiledInIllinois]

I'm going to laugh my ass off when Cambria turns this case upside down. You holier-than-thou hasty media lemmings will need to take double doses of your blood pressure medicines.

 

 

Of course he will... I have been saying that for a while now... Except that I won't laugh... Cambria is a scum bag.

 

Day of Prayer

 

Cabbies have to be the worst at getting any protection in our society... They are absolutely powerless and can fall prey to anything. With guys like Cambria, everybody should do as they wish and skip out on a cab fare... If there are no witnesses, you probably won't get caught.

 

Something has to be done to give them at least an ounce more power over their fares and passengers and who and where they choose to give a ride too... Again, sum bags like Cambria make cabbies powerless.

 

Hey, you want it society! Oh, well...

[deluca67]

If Chris Neil did this......the same Homer appologists would be standing in line to piss on his grave.

It's just like with Lynch, Hardy and numerous other Bills. If those same players did the exact same thing but played for the Dolphins or Patriots? I do get that it sucks when it happens to the home town guy. That's not an excuse to try and tear down the victim in hopes of holding on to a hero.

[deluca67]

Of course he will... I have been saying that for a while now... Except that I won't laugh... Cambria is a scum bag.

 

Day of Prayer

 

Cabbies have to be the worst at getting any protection in our society... They are absolutely powerless and can fall prey to anything. With guys like Cambria, everybody should do as they wish and skip out on a cab fare... If there are no witnesses, you probably won't get caught.

 

Something has to be done to give them at least an ounce more power over their fares and passengers and who and where they choose to give a ride too... Again, sum bags like Cambria make cabbies powerless.

 

Hey, you want it society! Oh, well...

Didn't a witness call the police, not the Cabbie? I would like to hear the 911 call to hear what the witness described at the time of the assault.

[SwampD]

Didn't a witness call the police, not the Cabbie? I would like to hear the 911 call to hear what the witness described at the time of the assault.

We already know what the witness said,"Hurry! Send help! Two thugs are jumping a salt of the earth cabbie for no reason."

[ExiledInIllinois]

It's just like with Lynch, Hardy and numerous other Bills. If those same players did the exact same thing but played for the Dolphins or Patriots? I do get that it sucks when it happens to the home town guy. That's not an excuse to try and tear down the victim in hopes of holding on to a hero.

 

 

DING DING DING we have winner! Sad thing is that is what especially a guy like Cambria will do! He is the best at it.

[ExiledInIllinois]

We already know what the witness said,"Hurry! Send help! Two thugs are jumping a salt of the earth cabbie for no reason."

 

 

Why do you mock the salt of the earth? Should it be the other way around? And anyway, backin my day that was off-campus housing on Eastwood. Do want the students gig to end? Do you think they want cabbies empowered?

 

Something is deeply wrong with our society folks when get guys like Paul Cambria pulling the strings.

[SwampD]

Why do you mock the salt of the earth? Should it be the other way around? And anyway, backin my day that was off-campus housing on Eastwood. Do want the students gig to end? Do you think they want cabbies empowered?

 

Something is deeply wrong with our society folks when get guys like Paul Cambria pulling the strings.

I was actually mocking deluca67. As to the rest...I have no idea what you are talking about.

[ExiledInIllinois]

I was actually mocking deluca67. As to the rest...I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Sounded like you were mocking the cabbie. Sorry.

 

Eastwood Place back in my day was off-campus housing. I bet there will be students coming out against the cabbie as witnesses. Do you think they would want the cabbie to be exonerated after the sh*t they pull in that neighborhood? I know that neighborhood well. I am not saying I didn't have fun back in my college days... But, at 41 I can say WE/I WERE DEAD WRONG TO ACT THAT WAY. Granted, the neighborhood in 2009 may be a perfect model of Christian behavior... ;) <_<

[deluca67]

I was actually mocking deluca67. As to the rest...I have no idea what you are talking about.

And doing a piss poor job as usual.

 

It doesn't matter if the Cabbie was the "salt of the earth" or a 1st class A-hole. You take your ride, settle the fare and go about your business. There is no way you jump a guy for 20 cents even if he was the most belligerent bastard of all-time.

 

At this point what is really the difference? I'm sure the Kanes lawyers have a script already prepared where the cousin will take the fall, the cabbie will be compensated for his trouble and silence and the rest of you can go about your lives living with the idea that reputation of the home town hero is intact. It's why Paul Cambria is a wealthy man and will continue to be sought out by those in the public eye looking to escape possibly embarrassing situations.

[Stoner]

I swear to God there's a debate/context/analogy handicap that oozes through every thread on this board.

 

No one is apologizing for Kane or condoning his even being in the cab at that time of the morning. What we're arguing over is a person's right to be considered innocent until PROVEN guilty.

 

The facts aren't even established, at least publickly, yet it seems at least half the publick has convicted the guy based on a media frenzy.

 

No, I think most of the debate has been centered around what can justify an assault on a cabbie. The point about innocence is a good one, but we all prejudge. You said no one is condoning his being in a cab at that time of the morning. What's wrong with being in a cab at 4 in the morning? I think in your mind you've convicted Pat Kane of having been intoxicated.

 

It seems to me that stories like this always tend to illustrate that ours is a society that has a.) lost its common sense and b.) lost its stomach to say there are absolute rights and wrongs.

[ExiledInIllinois]

And doing a piss poor job as usual.

 

It doesn't matter if the Cabbie was the "salt of the earth" or a 1st class A-hole. You take your ride, settle the fare and go about your business. There is no way you jump a guy for 20 cents even if he was the most belligerent bastard of all-time.

 

At this point what is really the difference? I'm sure the Kanes lawyers have a script already prepared where the cousin will take the fall, the cabbie will be compensated for his trouble and silence and the rest of you can go about your lives living with the idea that reputation of the home town hero is intact. It's why Paul Cambria is a wealthy man and will continue to be sought out by those in the public eye looking to escape possibly embarrassing situations.

 

 

Exactly! I don't understand why people fail to understand this. Cambria is trying to change the court of public opinion which is pretty bad for 20 Cent. He is doing a fine job! Will it be good enough, we will see.

 

NOW... If the cabbie lied, of course I would have to believe the other. Until he comes out and said: "I lied" I will still take his side... That there was abuse ON HIM by thugs. Then drum the cabbie up on charges and send him to jail.

 

Simple aye? :D

[ExiledInIllinois]

It seems to me that stories like this always tend to illustrate that ours is a society that has a.) lost its common sense and b.) lost its stomach to say there are absolute rights and wrongs.

 

 

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ExiledInIllinois]

This is a lot like the Cambridge thing except the homeowner in this situation would have actually physically touched the person of authority and now they are trying to get him off. The Kanes were disorderly, the homeowner in Cambrige WAS not.

 

The cabbie here is the position (so to speak) of power just as the police officer is. I am not saying that the cabbie has police powers so don't go down that angle. I am saying that the cabbie should have the respect in society even if he distrusts and locks the doors. They are within their right. Our society just doesn't see that, they see the cabbie as a peon. Now I am not saying the cabbie doesn't have his skeletons. He is still the position of authority to collect his rightful fare and should not be physically attacked.

 

I know a lot of people will have heartburn with this... So suck a fat one! :nana: :nana:

 

Again if it comes out the cabbie is lieing... The he is the problem!

[shrader]

Why are we speaking as if the Kanes jumped the fair when every single story out there says they paid it? Twisting stories to make one side or the other look like pure evil sure is fun.

[SDS]

No, I think most of the debate has been centered around what can justify an assault on a cabbie.

 

I haven't seen any of that. What I have seen is that some people have just taken the word of the accuser, embellished the story for their own purpose, and jumped on a soapbox. Other's have pointed out that maybe it isn't that simple and maybe people lie, and maybe there are details to be revealed.

 

Does everyone realize that this "beat down" didn't even result in an assault charge? Doesn't that make anyone pause for a second from their public stoning?

[darksabre]

Prior records are only permissible in a trial if the judge allows it through the motion process. The prior record has to be relevant to the case at hand and can not be used to incite or prejudice the jury.

 

If the case goes to trial...

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Does everyone realize that this "beat down" didn't even result in an assault charge? Doesn't that make anyone pause for a second from their public stoning?

 

 

You have a lot of nerve trying to add reason to the debate.

[darksabre]

I haven't seen any of that. What I have seen is that some people have just taken the word of the accuser, embellished the story for their own purpose, and jumped on a soapbox. Other's have pointed out that maybe it isn't that simple and maybe people lie, and maybe there are details to be revealed.

Does everyone realize that this "beat down" didn't even result in an assault charge? Doesn't that make anyone pause for a second from their public stoning?

 

That's because the assault is what makes it 2nd degree robbery. You can't charge for both 2nd robbery and assault, only whichever one is more severe. Since 3rd degree assault is only a class A misdemeanor, you would immediately use that to charge him with 2nd robbery.

[SDS]

That's because the assault is what makes it 2nd degree robbery. You can't charge for both 2nd robbery and assault, only whichever one is more severe. Since 3rd degree assault is only a class A misdemeanor, you would immediately use that to charge him with 2nd robbery.

 

 

thank you, but the bold part doesn't make sense to me. Don't they have the choice to charge them whatever they want as long as they have a justified reason? Couldn't they ditch the robbery and just go with assault?

[Eleven]

That's because the assault is what makes it 2nd degree robbery. You can't charge for both 2nd robbery and assault, only whichever one is more severe. Since 3rd degree assault is only a class A misdemeanor, you would immediately use that to charge him with 2nd robbery.

 

Crimes merge as long as they're part of the same "transaction," under many circumstances, and I suspect d4rk is correct, although I certainly have not seen the prosecutors' papers.

 

There will not be a trial (this is directed to other remarks, not d4rk's).

 

DeLuca, I don't know where you're coming from, but please consider letting go, maybe just a little bit, of your sense of outrage. It is clouding your judgment.

[SwampD]

And doing a piss poor job as usual.

 

It doesn't matter if the Cabbie was the "salt of the earth" or a 1st class A-hole. You take your ride, settle the fare and go about your business. There is no way you jump a guy for 20 cents even if he was the most belligerent bastard of all-time.

 

At this point what is really the difference? I'm sure the Kanes lawyers have a script already prepared where the cousin will take the fall, the cabbie will be compensated for his trouble and silence and the rest of you can go about your lives living with the idea that reputation of the home town hero is intact. It's why Paul Cambria is a wealthy man and will continue to be sought out by those in the public eye looking to escape possibly embarrassing situations.

 

Exactly! I don't understand why people fail to understand this. Cambria is trying to change the court of public opinion which is pretty bad for 20 Cent. He is doing a fine job! Will it be good enough, we will see.

 

NOW... If the cabbie lied, of course I would have to believe the other. Until he comes out and said: "I lied" I will still take his side... That there was abuse ON HIM by thugs. Then drum the cabbie up on charges and send him to jail.

 

Simple aye? :D

Actually, you both missed my point. It had nothing to do with the cabbies character...because I really don't care about his character. My point was that Deluca presumes to know everything that happened and has made his judgement, but then jumps on everyone else for doing the same thing. It must be so boring being you...to know all and see all...past and present...Are you the Kwisatz Haderach? Or should I just call you Paul.

[deluca67]

Crimes merge as long as they're part of the same "transaction," under many circumstances, and I suspect d4rk is correct, although I certainly have not seen the prosecutors' papers.

 

There will not be a trial (this is directed to other remarks, not d4rk's).

 

DeLuca, I don't know where you're coming from, but please consider letting go, maybe just a little bit, of your sense of outrage. It is clouding your judgment.

Not one bit. Cabbies and delivery men/women are sitting ducks out there with most of the attacks not making the local news (unless it is series of attacks). There should be a greater outrage. People are too afraid of losing a local hero that it is clouding their sense of right and wrong. Too bad for Patrick Kane, you get what you deserve, this incident should be putting a spotlight on how dangerous Chippewa has become. Instead I have to read BS on how the cabbie needs to share the blame? What a F**king joke.