That Aud Smell Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 Nothing like using anecdote to determine fact. and nothing like a snappy (if ill-fitting) aphorism that stands in the place of responsive analysis.
spndnchz Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I'm starting to picture fist fights at the SabreSpace party. :beer:
shrader Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 Adn it just goes to show you how society and the system have the cabbies over a barrel. They can't cheery pick fares... And they can't stop a person from robbing them or theft of service... Sad. Didn't the Kanes have a cellphone? The ass kicking is not warranted in this situation. Plain and simple. As a society we are losing all common sense by lumping everthing into generalalites that is suppose to cover every situation with one type of safeguard or law. The locking of the doors can go the other way too. What's stopping a cabbie from saying "your tip isn't big enough, I won't let you out until you give me more"? If they let them lock people in, you're going to see stuff like that start to happen. Ok, no you won't because no one actually knows who the cabbie is, so the media wouldn't pick up the story.
... Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 What if, after going through the car wash at Delta Sonic, the kid who wipes and buffs the car at the end reaches in and grabs your keys and says "hey bud, I'm not giving you your keys until you tip"? Are you obligated to tip? Are those who feel they deserve a tip justified in detaining you until you pay a tip? If you were detained thusly, would you pay the tip, or would you freak out?
deluca67 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 Dude, how about laying off the "Reply" button for a minute. Clearly you are biased towards protecting the poor, humble cab driver REGARDLESS (ink) of the facts - which you'll never know what the real facts are. So, poor, old people are always the innocent ones, and never take advantage of anything, never provoke others, and deserve your unconditional sympathies. We get it. They never deserved to get jumped by a couple of 20 year old thugs.
deluca67 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 What if, after going through the car wash at Delta Sonic, the kid who wipes and buffs the car at the end reaches in and grabs your keys and says "hey bud, I'm not giving you your keys until you tip"? Are you obligated to tip? Are those who feel they deserve a tip justified in detaining you until you pay a tip? If you were detained thusly, would you pay the tip, or would you freak out? Why do you think you pay before the wash at Delta Sonic? Reading these ridiculous arguments reminds of the ones Bills fans tried to use when Lynch ran down that women.
Stoner Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 Why do you think you pay before the wash at Delta Sonic? Reading these ridiculous arguments reminds of the ones Bills fans tried to use when Lynch ran down that women. Is it unfortunate, isn't it? The man was assaulted. We have his story, which is backed up by witnesses -- and his face. Short of the thugs feeling that their lives somehow were in danger, there is none, zero, nada, Zippo justification for what they did.
That Aud Smell Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 The locking of the doors can go the other way too. What's stopping a cabbie from saying "your tip isn't big enough, I won't let you out until you give me more"? If they let them lock people in, you're going to see stuff like that start to happen. Ok, no you won't because no one actually knows who the cabbie is, so the media wouldn't pick up the story. What if, after going through the car wash at Delta Sonic, the kid who wipes and buffs the car at the end reaches in and grabs your keys and says "hey bud, I'm not giving you your keys until you tip"? Are you obligated to tip? Are those who feel they deserve a tip justified in detaining you until you pay a tip? If you were detained thusly, would you pay the tip, or would you freak out? naturally, there's a proverbial parade of horribles that suggests that the cabbie's practice of locking his passengers' doors is a bad idea, at best, and criminal, at worst. in the law business, they sometimes talk about arguing valid points in connection with the wrong case. i think that's what's happening here. this is not the forum in which to take issue with what is apparently a customary practice in certain sectors of the livery industry. (although i've never experienced this practice in nyc, fwiw.) Is it unfortunate, isn't it? The man was assaulted. We have his story, which is backed up by witnesses -- and his face. Short of the thugs feeling that their lives somehow were in danger, there is none, zero, nada, Zippo justification for what they did. this is where i come out.
inkman Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I'm starting to picture fist fights at the SabreSpace party. :beer: I'm guessing it would look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2vT0sgrftM&feature=related
Eleven Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 A couple of things I find interesting... 1) The cabbie hired Andrew LoTempio. LoTempio is a noted criminal defense attorney; he's not a noted plaintiff's attorney. If you were in serious criminal trouble in Buffalo, LoTempio would be on the short list of people to hire, but if you had a personal injury suit to bring, LoTempio wouldn't be on the short list. So why did the victim engage him? (They could have a family connection or be longtime friends, for all I know; this just is curious.) 2) LoTempio is saying it's blown out of proportion. Understandable if Cambria (Kane's atty) is the one saying that, but the victim's attorney? Strange.
SDS Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 A couple of things I find interesting... 1) The cabbie hired Andrew LoTempio. LoTempio is a noted criminal defense attorney; he's not a noted plaintiff's attorney. If you were in serious criminal trouble in Buffalo, LoTempio would be on the short list of people to hire, but if you had a personal injury suit to bring, LoTempio wouldn't be on the short list. So why did the victim engage him? (They could have a family connection or be longtime friends, for all I know; this just is curious.) 2) LoTempio is saying it's blown out of proportion. Understandable if Cambria (Kane's atty) is the one saying that, but the victim's attorney? Strange. ok, what really happened to him? I heard grabbed by the throat and broken glasses... Everyone else who has commented on the story has seemed to embellish what happened. Was he really "beat up". That implies multiple blows delivered to an over-matched opponent.
Ohiofan Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I'm guessing it would look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2vT0sgrftM&feature=related :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:
That Aud Smell Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I'm guessing it would look something like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2vT0sgrftM&feature=related i never watched that show, and therefore didn't mourn its passing, but i have since seen a number of strong offerings from it on youtube -- better than most of what i see on snl in any case. 1) The cabbie hired Andrew LoTempio. LoTempio is a noted criminal defense attorney; he's not a noted plaintiff's attorney. i found this intriguing as well. i heard tell that the cabbie was driving without a license and had prior DWI convictions -- so the fact that he had criminal exposure as well in connection with this matter probably had something to do with it. 2) LoTempio is saying it's blown out of proportion. Understandable if Cambria (Kane's atty) is the one saying that, but the victim's attorney? i think this admits of a much more straightforward analysis -- as i'd said in support of deluca's take that what we are hearing is mutually agreed upon BS: cambria called his old pal andy lotempio and made clear that if there was going to be a prompt and favorable cash settlement, that the driver would have to get right out front with the name-clearing for paddy "you don't know who you're f'ing with" kane.
darksabre Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I'm guessing it would look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2vT0sgrftM&feature=related I should have known you were into tall guys. :unsure:
nobody Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I'm starting to picture fist fights at the SabreSpace party. :beer: But then everyone will start drinking and everyone will be happy again. (All the underage people - just say that you are Patrick Kane and you'll be able to drink. ;) )
spndnchz Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 Is it unfortunate, isn't it? The man was assaulted. We have his story, which is backed up by witnesses -- and his face. Short of the thugs feeling that their lives somehow were in danger, there is none, zero, nada, Zippo justification for what they did. While his face shows some marks, he just had neck surgery, hence the scabby scar on his neck.
Stoner Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 While his face shows some marks, he just had neck surgery, hence the scabby scar on his neck. I find this statement curiously incongruant.
nfreeman Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 this "imprisonment" stuff is baloney. when i was an undergrad in boston (many years ago), our various foreign-born cab drivers (haitians, dominicans, pakistanis, for the most part) would routinely lock all doors when the fare started; those drivers would routinely (but not always) ask in broken english words to the effect of "please pay while you're still in the car"; and in those instances, the locks were for the most part released only once the cash was settled up. it never struck me as out of line for those cabbies to take that action to ensure that they didn't get ditched on a fare. Sorry, I must disagree, although as I mentioned it really depends on when he locked the doors. If they paid, he said he didn't have change, they started arguing and he then locked the doors -- that's an aggressive escalation. He just doesn't get to do that. OTOH, if they get in the cab and he says "fellas, before we go anywhere, I just want to let you know that we've had a lot of riders skip out on fares, so I can't open the doors when we get there until I get paid for the ride", they say OK and get in, and he then locks the doors and starts driving -- different story. FWIW, I've never had the doors locked on me in a NYC cab. I'd guess there is an NYC regulation prohibiting it.
nobody Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 Cab driver didn't have a license and 2 drunk driving convictions (but they were 10 year ago.) http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/760115.html Interesting that James Kane has his own lawyer. Blood only goes so far.
spndnchz Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I find this statement curiously incongruant. Incongruous? incongruous? Rut Row. You mention his face as a witness.
X. Benedict Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 Cab driver didn't have a license and 2 drunk driving convictions (but they were 10 year ago.) http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/760115.html Interesting that James Kane has his own lawyer. Blood only goes so far. This is going to disappear fast.
spndnchz Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I like how the snooze uses an "undated photo" of Kane like a mug shot. /sarcasm
... Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I'm going to laugh my ass off when Cambria turns this case upside down. You holier-than-thou hasty media lemmings will need to take double doses of your blood pressure medicines.
deluca67 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 Cab driver didn't have a license and 2 drunk driving convictions (but they were 10 year ago.) http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/760115.html Interesting that James Kane has his own lawyer. Blood only goes so far. James Kane has to have his own Lawyer. He had no choice.
deluca67 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Posted August 11, 2009 I'm going to laugh my ass off when Cambria turns this case upside down. You holier-than-thou hasty media lemmings will need to take double doses of your blood pressure medicines. You mean when Cambria makes the case about everything other than the facts? Which is what he is known for.
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