Patrick Kane arrested

[deluca67]

Oh and I am sorry for making so many posts! Posts that are factual like speed activated locks.

 

They can't claim false imprisonment because all cars with power locks NOW lock you in automatically.

 

Facts suck don't they? :pirate:

 

EDIT:

 

Somebody should e-mail LoTempio about this fact and they can then see if it played a part??? Maybe the driver over looked that fact??? A fact that would have set the Kanes off even if it was no fault of the driver.

 

Cambria is a dirt bag and wouldn't hesitate to use such tactics!

Facts can be argued forever. The one truth going forward is that facts are no longer part of this process. The story as it unfolds will be determined by two things. What size check Patrick Kane is willing to write & how willing his cousin is to falling on the sword.

[ExiledInIllinois]

BUMP!

 

I think I may be on to something IF the cab had speed sensitive door locks. Really! I am almost positive that cars with auto locks HAVE to have speed sensitive locks... Well, maybe...?? I think it is a safety feature for your passengers IN THE BACK SEAT. The passenger in the front is NOT affected by the feature. The back seats a totally different story! I can see the young Kanes getting offended.

 

I am such a geek... I just did my own tests on my Chrysler. A passenger can't leave UNLESS the car is turned off OR the passenger uses their switch... NOW if the passenger over-ride is on, then the driver can only release the passengers in the back seat... The driver may not even know that the passengers can't get out if the car is still running... And rightly so... It is a SAFETY FEATURE to be locked in the rear seat. It is automatic.

 

I think the Kanes are even more wrong now. :nana: :nana:

 

Any comments about this?... I am open to all sides if I am right or wrong, let me hear it.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Facts can be argued forever. The one truth going forward is that facts are no longer part of this process. The story as it unfolds will be determined by two things. What size check Patrick Kane is willing to write & how willing his cousin is to falling on the sword.

 

 

How true.

[shrader]

EII, you're bordering on obsessive with this whole thing. Go have a beer or something.

[SDS]

EII, you're bordering on obsessive with this whole thing. Go have a beer or something.

 

thank you! I started to post, but deleted similar sentiments twice...

 

Geez, it would be nice if he could just gather his thoughts into one post and be done with it. I think he has 50 in this thread alone, let alone what he has on TSW.

[ExiledInIllinois]

thank you! I started to post, but deleted similar sentiments twice...

 

Geez, it would be nice if he could just gather his thoughts into one post and be done with it. I think he has 50 in this thread alone, let alone what he has on TSW.

 

I am sorry. I thought it was just a place to converse, didn't mean to overpower anyone. I will let it go!

[wjag]

Patrick Kane is a spoiled, arrogant kid who made a bad decision. He was pissed and got all full of himself. It does not make it right and he should have to pay up.

 

The NHL should slap him with a solid fine as well for underage drinking and his behaviour. Hopefully he'll grow up a little bit after this.

 

He's a great player, but his attitude in the playoffs against Vancity was so cocky that I lost respect for him then. It's all fine to play well, chirp on the ice, but the things he said about an honest veteran NHL'er were over the top and showed a lack of class. Just my opinion.

This isn't the NFL.. Does the NHL have the equivalent good boy clauses...

[That Aud Smell]

Insurance carriers don't cover intentional torts. This would be coming right out of his own pocket.

carriers will cover whatever the policy says they cover. i've seen just one umbrella policy for a celebrity-type -- there was just a bit more coverage in there than in my homeowner's policy.

 

but you may be right, this could be coming straight out of kane's pocket (or, more likely, straight out of a line of credit he keeps with his bankers).

 

in any case, ordinary homeowners carriers pay out serious scratch all the time on bar fight/assault cases. this is because plaintiffs' lawyers will frame an intentional tort complaint such that it falls under standard policy coverage (in which event the plaintiff and defendant actually wind up aligned against the carrier, with the defendant explaining that he "negligently" bashed the plaintiff's frickin face in).

 

That would require a settlement to be in writing, signed by both sides.

tort claims (or lawsuits) settle based on nothing more than a single-paged, standard-form release that can be generated in a few minutes.

 

in any case, it's entirely possible (i think probable) that cambria and lotempio met for drinks as soon as this thing broke and wrote the basic songbook from which everyone is now singing.

 

You don't agree to submarine the criminal case based on verbal assurances, especially on a three day old case.

really? why not? it's entirely up to the cabbie as to whether he cooperates as a complainant or not -- we'll have to wait and see what happens in the next few weeks.

 

This case isn't OJ - it takes a maximum of a year to resolve a criminal case unless its in front of Judge Ito. Even if the DA were overmatched and somehow lost the case (which might be due to the cabbie's presumed warts) it doesn't kill the civil action. Just ask the Goldmans They seem to have done OK.

wait, the goldmans? is this case OJ or not?

 

my point being, if you're the cabbie and you're being told that you'll have a cool wad of cash in-hand before labor day if you agree to sign a piece of paper and explain to the d.a. that this was all a big misunderstanding, i think that's an attractive proposition -- arguably more attractive than having to wait on the criminal case to work its way through, during which process you will have your own dirty laundry aired in the local and national media.

 

all that said, i have no idea what's going to happen here. it will be interesting to hear how things shake out with the grand jury (although those proceedings are supposed to be confidential, so we may hear nothing for a while).

[korab rules]

carriers will cover whatever the policy says they cover. i've seen just one umbrella policy for a celebrity-type -- there was just a bit more coverage in there than in my homeowner's policy.

 

but you may be right, this could be coming straight out of kane's pocket (or, more likely, straight out of a line of credit he keeps with his bankers).

 

in any case, ordinary homeowners carriers pay out serious scratch all the time on bar fight/assault cases. this is because plaintiffs' lawyers will frame an intentional tort complaint such that it falls under standard policy coverage (in which event the plaintiff and defendant actually wind up aligned against the carrier, with the defendant explaining that he "negligently" bashed the plaintiff's frickin face in).

 

That's what the smart ones do. Celebs may have intentional tort coverage, I don't know, never seen one of their policies.

 

 

tort claims (or lawsuits) settle based on nothing more than a single-paged, standard-form release that can be generated in a few minutes.

 

in any case, it's entirely possible (i think probable) that cambria and lotempio met for drinks as soon as this thing broke and wrote the basic songbook from which everyone is now singing.

 

True, a release can be executed in about three minutes, but if that had happened, and Kane pays, what, 100K, I would expect a hell of a lot more for the investment than the cabbie down playing the situation, I would expect a full out recantation.

 

really? why not? it's entirely up to the cabbie as to whether he cooperates as a complainant or not -- we'll have to wait and see what happens in the next few weeks.

 

That will be interesting

 

 

wait, the goldmans? is this case OJ or not?

 

my point being, if you're the cabbie and you're being told that you'll have a cool wad of cash in-hand before labor day if you agree to sign a piece of paper and explain to the d.a. that this was all a big misunderstanding, i think that's an attractive proposition -- arguably more attractive than having to wait on the criminal case to work its way through, during which process you will have your own dirty laundry aired in the local and national media.

 

all that said, i have no idea what's going to happen here. it will be interesting to hear how things shake out with the grand jury (although those proceedings are supposed to be confidential, so we may hear nothing for a while).

 

Certainly an attractive proposition, and very likely to occur at some point, but why would the cabbie be poo pooing the case before he has that signed piece of paper in hand? Removes leverage. Once the paper is signed, I would expect the recantation. Problem is, that puts the cabbie in hot water, as then he is looking at the potential for obstruction charges or charges for making a punishable false written statement, as they would have had him sign an affidavit that night as the basis for the felony complaint. The next few weeks will certainly be interesting.

[That Aud Smell]

Certainly an attractive proposition, and very likely to occur at some point, but why would the cabbie be poo pooing the case before he has that signed piece of paper in hand? Removes leverage. Once the paper is signed, I would expect the recantation. Problem is, that puts the cabbie in hot water, as then he is looking at the potential for obstruction charges or charges for making a punishable false written statement, as they would have had him sign an affidavit that night as the basis for the felony complaint. The next few weeks will certainly be interesting.

agreed. grist for the mill while we wait for the season to start.

[Stoner]

I am sorry. I thought it was just a place to converse, didn't mean to overpower anyone. I will let it go!

 

If it was me, I'd comply with the board owner's request to stop posting. As in joining another forum. Ridiculous.

 

Does this make me third poster in?

[Sabre Dance]

That mind set is in other place too: South Side of Chicago, Southy (Boston).

 

ThanX! You ain't telling me! :wallbash: That is what I figured. I grew up in around BFLO, what is it with that group. Same thing you see on the South Side of Chicago (South Side Irish)... Is it that blue collar mentality, I don't know?... But, you will see it in Sox fans in Chicago. It isn't even funny. You mix in racial attitudes and it is downright frightening. 50 years ago this would have been Irish kids on a Polish/Eastern European cabbie without a blink of an eye. Yet, some groups think that they are so much "better" acting than the worst offenders in other groups/circles.

 

I think we need to be careful about generalizing personality and behavioral characteristics based on where you were raised. I grew up in Lackawanna, literally a few dozen yards south of the Buffalo city line. My dad was a steelworker, but he never had (and thus did not pass on to me) that "blue collar" mentality. He always taught me to put other people and their needs before mine (I now work in health care research). I never got into a fight growing up (I came close, but was able to talk my way out of the situations). I feel that I am fairly considerate of my fellow humans. I know plenty of kids I grew up with who are from South Buffalo/Lackawanna that turned out to be very solid citizens and never had any issues like the Kane situation.

On the other hand, I did know some folks in my younger days who fit exactly the same profile as has been ascribed to the Kanes. They were boorish, inconsiderate and petty. And some of them grew up in West Seneca and Orchard Park!

So, let's put the blame where it belongs - on the two young "men" in question. How they behave is a result of environment, upbringing and circumstance (and maybe genetics). That they grew up in a particular neighborhood may or may not have much impact on this incident, or any other (mis)behavior.

Now, agree with me or I'll punch your lights out! :pirate: (Just kiddiing!!!) :D

[nobody]

I am sorry. I thought it was just a place to converse, didn't mean to overpower anyone. I will let it go!

 

 

I have no problem with all your posts. They are all in this one thread. It's not like you have started 20 threads on the same subject. :) As with the Eck threads - no one is forcing anyone to read this one.

[Bmwolf21]

I have no problem with all your posts. They are all in this one thread. It's not like you have started 20 threads on the same subject. :) As with the Eck threads - no one is forcing anyone to read this one.

I have no problem with his posts either, I just wish he'd use the multiquote option and start merging some of these replies into one post.

[Stoner]

I have no problem with his posts either, I just wish he'd use the multiquote option and start merging some of these replies into one post.

 

Listen, kid. I know Dad is putting you in the Bills jacket layered over the Bills tee, and they suck right now. But they won't suck your whole life. You're too young! You haven't been jaded yet! Get out of the road!

[nfreeman]

Listen, kid. I know Dad is putting you in the Bills jacket layered over the Bills tee, and they suck right now. But they won't suck your whole life. You're too young! You haven't been jaded yet! Get out of the road!

 

Shouldn't it be a Sabrejak?

[That Aud Smell]

Listen, kid. I know Dad is putting you in the Bills jacket layered over the Bills tee, and they suck right now. But they won't suck your whole life. You're too young! You haven't been jaded yet! Get out of the road!

PA's ongoing conversation with the picture of BMWolf's kid is a highlight of what is generally the slowest hockey month of the year (although, we can't complain -- we've had paddy kane's exploits and the return of grier to kick around).

[X. Benedict]

PA's ongoing conversation with the picture of BMWolf's kid is a highlight of what is generally the slowest hockey month of the year (although, we can't complain -- we've had paddy kane's exploits and the return of grier to kick around).

 

This time last year all we really had was all the Matt Sundin talk.

[nfreeman]

This time last year all we really had was all the Matt Sundin talk.

Yikes. I was really pushing for him, too. In retrospect I'm kinda glad we didn't blow a huge chunk of cash on him.

[Stoner]

PA's ongoing conversation with the picture of BMWolf's kid is creepy).

 

Fixed it for ya.

[shrader]

This time last year all we really had was all the Matt Sundin talk.

 

And all those signings for Portland.

[nobody]

Fixed it for ya.

 

 

Hey kid, come here; you want some candy?

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just watched the 10:00 news here in Chicago. They are reporting that a plea bargain is in the works so Kane and his cuz "can avoid jail time." They said they will be indicted. They also said, all the cabbie wants is a public apology. <_< <_< It wasn't top headline or anything on the news like before... Just buried in the 10:00 news at the end of the sports segment.

[darksabre]

Just watched the 10:00 news here in Chicago. They are reporting that a plea bargain is in the works so Kane and his cuz "can avoid jail time." They said they will be indicted. They also said, all the cabbie wants is a public apology. <_< <_< It wasn't top headline or anything on the news like before... Just buried in the 10:00 news at the end of the sports segment.

 

And the American legal system chugs along.

 

chugga chugga chugga chugga

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Just watched the 10:00 news here in Chicago. They are reporting that a plea bargain is in the works so Kane and his cuz "can avoid jail time." They said they will be indicted. They also said, all the cabbie wants is a public apology. <_< <_< It wasn't top headline or anything on the news like before... Just buried in the 10:00 news at the end of the sports segment.

 

I heard a similar story here. We'll see what happens, but it's looking like Cambria dropped the ball for Kane.

 

I'm very surprised that, so far, there's been no settlement. I wonder if Cambria convinced Kane he could turn the case around for less than it would have cost to settle.