Patrick Kane arrested

[inkman]

BTW, the cabbie's laywer now says his client had a driver's license after all.

I thought the license in question was a taxi driver license not a NYS drivers license... :unsure:

[deluca67]

I thought the license in question was a taxi driver license not a NYS drivers license... :unsure:

It doesn't matter either way. It has as much to do with what happened as you or I having a drivers license.

[rickshaw]

Patrick Kane is a spoiled, arrogant kid who made a bad decision. He was pissed and got all full of himself. It does not make it right and he should have to pay up.

 

The NHL should slap him with a solid fine as well for underage drinking and his behaviour. Hopefully he'll grow up a little bit after this.

 

He's a great player, but his attitude in the playoffs against Vancity was so cocky that I lost respect for him then. It's all fine to play well, chirp on the ice, but the things he said about an honest veteran NHL'er were over the top and showed a lack of class. Just my opinion.

[Eleven]

It doesn't matter either way. It has as much to do with what happened as you or I having a drivers license.

 

But it might explain JR's choice of counsel.

[shrader]

If Shrader goes to the shin-dig Webster's organizing.....make sure he isn't in charge of the tip.

 

And let me guess. If you showed up, you'd go with the attention move, running out the doorway crying because no one is talking to you, only to show up later in the night?

[nobody]

Nobody will know as much as the rest of us. I mean he posts here quite a bit. :beer:

 

 

I take offense, sir. I know far less. ;)

[nobody]

Do you think Tiki Kane is controlling his son's money? You know his mother was flying back (or just got back) from Chicago when this all went down. WTF is she doing there? Doesn't she have her own life in WNY??

 

What I am getting at is that you would think 20 cent would have had at least say hundreds of dollars on him?? Even for me, what would a c-note been in that situation? It is okay to drop cash around and remain anonymous.

 

The one thing I do admit, he is young (fact) and doesn't know how th real world works... Let alone somebody with money. What cabbie is gonna break a 100, let alone say a 50???

 

He does need to be called out on the carpet for his cheap behavior... Then again maybe his parents are contolling his money??

 

Then again... Who am I to bring up this kind of class up? I would probably need somebody to manage my money because I would probably throw it around! :lol:

 

Yet... 13.80, 20 cents, 1 buck... The numbers don't add up... Even if he had big bills, why carry big bills? :wallbash:

 

He needs a lesson in life and maybe the freedom to walk around with a couple of grand... IMO, it would do wonders!

 

Flame away haters! :nana:

 

 

 

Based on the interview with Josh Mora; Kane is actually known for his generosity - around 8:30 in this clip

 

 

http://audio.wgr550.com/m/audio/25690951/josh-mora-on-the-howard-simon-show.htm?pageid=28472

[korab rules]

I still don't see how you can make these claims that the cabbie was completely free of fault in all of this. We don't know the real facts of the situation at all, so what is your basis? Most people here are just playing Devil's advocate because of a lack of real information regarding what happened. This whole thing is not as black and white as you're trying to make it. Just because he's a 60 year old guy doesn't mean he is immediately exempt from blame.

 

This is exactly correct - don't know how much time you people spend in cabs, but why is everyone giving the cabbie the benefit of the doubt. This particular cabbie had his license revoked on at least two prior occasions for DWI. In my town, the crminial history for half the cab drivers would stretch all the way around the cab.

 

When has anyone ever seen a cab driver make change after 10:00 PM? Its their way of forcing people into tipping. Maybe he was a jerk, and maybe the Kanes took offense at that, and didn't want to tip.

 

The biggest point is that no one knows what happened, but the lawyers from both sides are downplaying it all, suggesting that both lawyers know the best thing for their client is for the criminal case to go away. Why would the cabbie's lawyer want that, unless the criminal case would make his client look bad? And don't tell me so the cabbie can get on with the civil case. If the Kanes are successfully prosecuted in criminal court, it would gift wrap the civil case for the cabbie.

[That Aud Smell]

Why would the cabbie's lawyer want that, unless the criminal case would make his client look bad?

so that his client could receive a very favorable and very prompt cash settlement from pat kane and/or his various umbrella insurance carriers

 

 

And don't tell me so the cabbie can get on with the civil case.

not so much "get on with it" as be paid a premium to resolve the whole thing PDQ. it's not unlike what happened with that DWI-homicide that the browns WR had in florida.

 

If the Kanes are successfully prosecuted in criminal court, it would gift wrap the civil case for the cabbie.

there's the rub -- and it's not just the "if", but also the "when". why would the cabbie want to wait on an uncertain outcome in the criminal justice system and hang his hopes on a (presumably) messy set of facts and a potentially over-matched assistant d.a.?

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

And let me guess. If you showed up, you'd go with the attention move, running out the doorway crying because no one is talking to you, only to show up later in the night?

 

No....my attention move would be to bring strippers.

[korab rules]

so that his client could receive a very favorable and very prompt cash settlement from pat kane and/or his various umbrella insurance carriers

 

Insurance carriers don't cover intentional torts. This would be coming right out of his own pocket.

 

not so much "get on with it" as be paid a premium to resolve the whole thing PDQ. it's not unlike what happened with that DWI-homicide that the browns WR had in florida.

 

That would require a settlement to be in writing, signed by both sides. You don't agree to submarine the criminal case based on verbal assurances, especially on a three day old case.

 

there's the rub -- and it's not just the "if", but also the "when". why would the cabbie want to wait on an uncertain outcome in the criminal justice system and hang his hopes on a (presumably) messy set of facts and a potentially over-matched assistant d.a.?

 

This case isn't OJ - it takes a maximum of a year to resolve a criminal case unless its in front of Judge Ito. Even if the DA were overmatched and somehow lost the case (which might be due to the cabbie's presumed warts) it doesn't kill the civil action. Just ask the Goldmans They seem to have done OK.

[ExiledInIllinois]

But it might explain JR's choice of counsel.

 

 

LoTempio was the cabbie's (JR's) counsel back in the day when he had his DUI disputes and licensing problems. Well, that is how I read it.

 

The way I look at it is if a working slob like myself had to use a lawyer years ago for soemthing, aren't you gonna call them first when and if you are in a situation later. I don't think somebody like the cabbie (or myself) is gonna say: "Hey, gee LoTempio doesn't do personal injury... Maybe I should call Cellino and Barnes."

 

So... Basically he knew him in the past, worked with him so he had his number in speed dial. Don't you think that his lawyer first advised him to do the interview for the camera while the Kane boys were still scrambling to get released??... Of course he did! LoTempio knew JR had skeleton's... What better lawyer for JR! If I was LoTempio, I would have also raced JR to the camera (making it look like he didn't have a lawyer yet) to gain the court of public opinion while the Kaneanites were scrambling out the door of the holding center in full daylight like the cockroaches they are!

 

Come on people... It was JR +5, 20 Cent 0. Granted, Cambria scored 3 quick ones... We will see if he can take the lead!

 

I guess life can be a NHL game PA! Good thing the donut eater wasn't skating that night on Eastwood... The cabbie would have been arrested for shifty eyes. :unsure:

 

:D

[ExiledInIllinois]

Based on the interview with Josh Mora; Kane is actually known for his generosity - around 8:30 in this clip

 

 

http://audio.wgr550.com/m/audio/25690951/josh-mora-on-the-howard-simon-show.htm?pageid=28472

 

 

I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I did not listen to the clip. Is that generosity around everybody or his circle/S.BFLO click?

[ExiledInIllinois]

This is exactly correct - don't know how much time you people spend in cabs, but why is everyone giving the cabbie the benefit of the doubt. This particular cabbie had his license revoked on at least two prior occasions for DWI. In my town, the crminial history for half the cab drivers would stretch all the way around the cab.

 

When has anyone ever seen a cab driver make change after 10:00 PM? Its their way of forcing people into tipping. Maybe he was a jerk, and maybe the Kanes took offense at that, and didn't want to tip.

 

The biggest point is that no one knows what happened, but the lawyers from both sides are downplaying it all, suggesting that both lawyers know the best thing for their client is for the criminal case to go away. Why would the cabbie's lawyer want that, unless the criminal case would make his client look bad? And don't tell me so the cabbie can get on with the civil case. If the Kanes are successfully prosecuted in criminal court, it would gift wrap the civil case for the cabbie.

 

 

I don't know how you treat service people but they deserve the respect and benefit of the doubt first... Even if they are being aholes... Like DeLuca said, they are sitting ducks... So what if they play you after 22:00... Wanna walk? No time to get idealistic about a freakin' tip at 04:30! Even I am not that dumb! :nana: Would you want to carry a whole bunch of change if you were the cabbie? Of course I wouldn't. I would have a lock box bolted to the car just like the guy at the gas station has bolted to the desk. Slip the money in one way, no way does it have coming out till the morning... And only carry about 20 bucks or so in change/small bills... And NO COINS!... Too much of a hassle. My God, I leave more than 2 dimes in the dish at the gas station sometimes!

 

People are so naive. They need to step out into the real world and do a little work.

[Stoner]

 

When has anyone ever seen a cab driver make change after 10:00 PM? Its their way of forcing people into tipping. Maybe he was a jerk, and maybe the Kanes took offense at that, and didn't want to tip.

 

 

One more time. One more time. JHC. One more time. What the f*** does the cabby being a jerk have to do with the subsequent (alleged) assault and robbery?

[nobody]

I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I did not listen to the clip. Is that generosity around everybody or his circle/S.BFLO click?

 

 

In Chicago (giving $50 for a $10 cab ride). After that JM does talk about how getting back into his South Buffalo group you have a different mind set. (The s.b ethos)

[korab rules]

One more time. One more time. JHC. One more time. What the f*** does the cabby being a jerk have to do with the subsequent (alleged) assault and robbery?

 

Alleged is right. My point is that JR's lawyer downplaying the seriousness means there is a LOT more to this story than we currently know.

 

I don't know how you treat service people but they deserve the respect and benefit of the doubt first... Even if they are being aholes...

 

I give what I get. Maybe the Kanes did, too. My point was that you shouldn't give any additional creedence to JR's version of facts just because his is the first name in the caption.

Would you want to carry a whole bunch of change if you were the cabbie?

 

Of course not, exactly why many cab companies ask you where you are going, have HQ calculate the fare, and have you pay it before you ever leave. That is done to avoid people jumping out of cabs at the destination, or not having enough money to pay the fare.

[ExiledInIllinois]

In Chicago (giving $50 for a $10 cab ride). After that JM does talk about how getting back into his South Buffalo group you have a different mind set. (The s.b ethos)

 

That mind set is in other place too: South Side of Chicago, Southy (Boston).

 

ThanX! You ain't telling me! :wallbash: That is what I figured. I grew up in around BFLO, what is it with that group. Same thing you see on the South Side of Chicago (South Side Irish)... Is it that blue collar mentality, I don't know?... But, you will see it in Sox fans in Chicago. It isn't even funny. You mix in racial attitudes and it is downright frightening. 50 years ago this would have been Irish kids on a Polish/Eastern European cabbie without a blink of an eye. Yet, some groups think that they are so much "better" acting than the worst offenders in other groups/circles.

 

Watch how they spin this... I said very early on, they will treat to this some regard as "boys being boys. If it was any other group, it would be thuggery!

 

:(

[ExiledInIllinois]

One more time. One more time. JHC. One more time. What the f*** does the cabby being a jerk have to do with the subsequent (alleged) assault and robbery?

 

 

EXACTLY! I will admit that if Cambria can prove without a doubt that no assualt took place (I don't care about the robbery... That is given it will be thrown out) I WILL CHANGE MY TUNE!! You heard it first here people! :nana: Yet, don't you think that is why JR went to the camera right away (I know you do PA, I am speaking to the 20 Cent fan boys), there is no denying he had hands laid on him... You know simple bruises fade by the time the hearing is (Monday) and then delayed on the request by Cambria because 20 Cent needs to be in Woodbridge (Illinois) for the US team on Monday! I agree it wasn't a BIG beat down... But, they STILL laid hands on the cabbie. His cuz will take the fall. I can't believe that 20 Cent was sitting there like a choir boy.

 

The power play is on for Cambria. These types of lawyers are like trapped animals, they will eat their own body (this case the cuz) to get out of trap!

[ExiledInIllinois]

Alleged robbery I say... Not alleged ASSAULT... There is video of the guy looking beat up. Unless he is lieing, then I was duped. I want to hear that from him that he was lieing and made things up... Not from scum like Cambria will throw out in his hypothetical take on it.

 

Recant the video and say it was faked... The I will side with 20 Cent.

 

EDIT:

 

Oh, he was an independent cabbie and does not have a HQ.

 

I am just giving you the facts here guys... Unless JR recants.

[shrader]

No....my attention move would be to bring strippers.

 

Well, then by all means, on.

[ExiledInIllinois]

The fan boys like twists and stories... Don't want to give the cabbie the benny of doubt because of the news video he put out right after the incident? Don't want to believe the bruises in that video? That video will be evidence right by the DA? So here is a story of what could have happened (from the H-F Boards):

 

Just thinking, we don't know if certain beverages are involved, but if they were, vomiting or accidental urination would not be overly uncommon.

 

Cabbie has a set fare, turns around, sees the mess, demands more than the fare so he can get the car cleaned. Passengers say "There's no extra charge to pee on the seat" or something and it begins.

 

Wha do you think fan boys?... Sounds like a game Cambria could play if the shoe was on the other foot. <_<

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Well, then by all means, on.

 

;) Common Ground reached!

[ExiledInIllinois]

Another thing:

 

Don't most cars with power locks have SPEED ACTIVATED LOCKS? Not like the older locks like I had in my 1994 Chrysler... Those were a pain in the ass because you could accidently lock yourself out if you left the ignition running. What I am talking about is that once a vehicle gets up to say 10 mph (or whatever the rate is, I forget)... All the doors lock... Then if the driver has the passenger over-ride switch on, the locks can't open till the driver hits their switch.

 

Maybe the Kanes went to dash and the doors wouldn't open? And that is when the sh*t hit the fan.

 

I bum my children out all the time with that little trick on my new Chrysler because they (children) have a habit of bolting out of the car before I am fully parked!

 

Just saying... It is a two way street!

[ExiledInIllinois]

Oh and I am sorry for making so many posts! Posts that are factual like speed activated locks.

 

They can't claim false imprisonment because all cars with power locks NOW lock you in automatically.

 

Facts suck don't they? :pirate:

 

EDIT:

 

Somebody should e-mail LoTempio about this fact and they can then see if it played a part??? Maybe the driver over looked that fact??? A fact that would have set the Kanes off even if it was no fault of the driver.

 

Cambria is a dirt bag and wouldn't hesitate to use such tactics!