nfreeman Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 What a steaming pile of corn-pocked pigshit. Speaking of people whose mommies didn't hug them enough...
wonderbread Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Speaking of people whose mommies didn't hug them enough... :w00t:
Stoner Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Speaking of people whose mommies didn't hug them enough... True. Thank God your mommy more than made up for it.
wonderbread Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 True. Thank God your mommy more than made up for it. hug it out bitch.
nfreeman Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 True. Thank God your mommy more than made up for it. very nice. Your momma's so fat, she broke her arm and gravy spilled out.
deluca67 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 This kind of dime-store psychoanalysis is not terribly valuable. We really have no idea why moves are made or aren't. It's certainly fair to judge the results, but to say it's because they are afraid to admit they are wrong is about as likely to be correct as saying it's because their mommies didn't hug them enough or because the other kids were mean to them at school. If it's not fear than it's incompetence. There is no other way to explain why we are in the midst of one of the most pathetic off-seasons in franchise history. Things are so bad that some fans have resorted to selling Steve Montador as a top four defensemen. It's oddly familiar to last off-season when fans tried to say Lalime was a solid backup. We all know how that turned out.
nfreeman Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 If it's not fear than it's incompetence. There is no other way to explain why we are in the midst of one of the most pathetic off-seasons in franchise history. Things are so bad that some fans have resorted to selling Steve Montador as a top four defensemen. It's oddly familiar to last off-season when fans tried to say Lalime was a solid backup. We all know how that turned out. Things are so bad that passionate and knowledgeable hockey fans are indulging in hysterical overstatements. This offseason doesn't hold a candle to 2007 in terms of bad results. And you can continue to ignore the fact that Montador was a top-4 defenseman for 2 very good teams last year all you like, but it doesn't change the facts.
billsrcursed Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Things are so bad that passionate and knowledgeable hockey fans are indulging in hysterical overstatements. This offseason doesn't hold a candle to 2007 in terms of bad results. And you can continue to ignore the fact that Montador was a top-4 defenseman for 2 very good teams last year all you like, but it doesn't change the facts. Good post. I questioned this idea that Darcy was so in love with his players he wouldn't let them go in another thread. I'd love to see a link supporting that idea. If you want to cry incompetence, then so be it. Opinions are one thing, but to continually accuse someone of something you have no proof of is weak. It's friggin July and we're complaining about lack of moves. Sure, we all want Hecht and Tallinder gone, and we all think we have the answers as to how to move them, who to sign in return, and all will be well. Let's face it, if we're not pursuing Ovechkin, some here will be crying the sky is falling..... <_<
deluca67 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Things are so bad that passionate and knowledgeable hockey fans are indulging in hysterical overstatements. This offseason doesn't hold a candle to 2007 in terms of bad results. And you can continue to ignore the fact that Montador was a top-4 defenseman for 2 very good teams last year all you like, but it doesn't change the facts. Facts? the Ducks overachieved when Montador left and the Bruins underachieved when he arrived. Just the facts. I did say "one of the most pathetic." 2007 was bad. Other than Drury deciding to leave it was predictable. 2009? A 10th place team that has actually taken a step back? It about as pathetic as it gets. The only move is to replace Spacek with Montador? That's a step back. It's not "hysterical overstatements", it's an accurate detailed account of what the 2009 off-season has brought the fans of the Buffalo Sabres. You don't get into the playoffs by doing nothing and hoping enough teams have worse season than you do so you can sneak into 8th place. Isn't it a pretty f**king sad state and a real sign of how things are when Sabre fans are arguing if the Sabres have done enough to sneak into 8th place? We're not arguing "is this a top four team", "is this team a contender" or "what move can get this team to the Finals." We're arguing if the minimalist attitude of the front office is going to allow, if everything falls the Sabres way, to steal the 8th playoff spot in the East. What the hell happened? Why are the standards so low? Why are there fans out there who are happy with a 10th place team hoping to make it to the 8th spot. It appears the lack of accountability has reached the fans. Are we so used to the ineffectiveness of status quo that in our hearts we have given up already? That we hope for the elation of a 8th place finish. There are teams in the NHL where 8th place would be a disappointment. Here are Sabre fans begging for any scraps they can get.
SwampD Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Facts? the Ducks overachieved when Montador left and the Bruins underachieved when he arrived. Just the facts. I did say "one of the most pathetic." 2007 was bad. Other than Drury deciding to leave it was predictable. 2009? A 10th place team that has actually taken a step back? It about as pathetic as it gets. The only move is to replace Spacek with Montador? That's a step back. It's not "hysterical overstatements", it's an accurate detailed account of what the 2009 off-season has brought the fans of the Buffalo Sabres. You don't get into the playoffs by doing nothing and hoping enough teams have worse season than you do so you can sneak into 8th place. Isn't it a pretty f**king sad state and a real sign of how things are when Sabre fans are arguing if the Sabres have done enough to sneak into 8th place? We're not arguing "is this a top four team", "is this team a contender" or "what move can get this team to the Finals." We're arguing if the minimalist attitude of the front office is going to allow, if everything falls the Sabres way, to steal the 8th playoff spot in the East. What the hell happened? Why are the standards so low? Why are there fans out there who are happy with a 10th place team hoping to make it to the 8th spot. It appears the lack of accountability has reached the fans. Are we so used to the ineffectiveness of status quo that in our hearts we have given up already? That we hope for the elation of a 8th place finish. There are teams in the NHL where 8th place would be a disappointment. Here are Sabre fans begging for any scraps they can get. :thumbsup: I love this post.
deluca67 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Good post. I questioned this idea that Darcy was so in love with his players he wouldn't let them go in another thread. I'd love to see a link supporting that idea. If you want to cry incompetence, then so be it. Opinions are one thing, but to continually accuse someone of something you have no proof of is weak. It's friggin July and we're complaining about lack of moves. Sure, we all want Hecht and Tallinder gone, and we all think we have the answers as to how to move them, who to sign in return, and all will be well. Let's face it, if we're not pursuing Ovechkin, some here will be crying the sky is falling..... <_< I call Bull Sh!t. Adding Ovechkin, or any player of that level, is not the only way to improve a 10th place team. In fact many of the players named over the summer by posters who could have helped the Sabres have been signed to very reasonable contracts easily afforded by the Sabres if they had chosen to do anything. If you take the money wasted on MacArthur and the roster fillers they did sign you could have easily solidified you backup goalie position (Biron $1.4) and signed a solid winger with real toughness (Laperriere $1.6). You probably would have money to pick a decent blue-liner to have in case of injury. As far as Link? A link showing Regier admitting he is afraid to trade his own players? Should we pull a Erin Andrews and get the video? Actions speak louder than words. Regier is showing what he is made of. Which isn't much.
billsrcursed Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 I call Bull Sh!t. Adding Ovechkin, or any player of that level, is not the only way to improve a 10th place team. In fact many of the players named over the summer by posters who could have helped the Sabres have been signed to very reasonable contracts easily afforded by the Sabres if they had chosen to do anything. If you take the money wasted on MacArthur and the roster fillers they did sign you could have easily solidified you backup goalie position (Biron $1.4) and signed a solid winger with real toughness (Laperriere $1.6). You probably would have money to pick a decent blue-liner to have in case of injury. As far as Link? A link showing Regier admitting he is afraid to trade his own players? Should we pull a Erin Andrews and get the video? Actions speak louder than words. Regier is showing what he is made of. Which isn't much. Meh..... you call on anyone who doesn't agree with you, so I'm not flattered. I get it, you don't like the team as is, most of us, including myself, don't. But adding Biron and Laperreire (if they would have even been willing to come here) aren't going to elevate our status from an 8th place team to a cup contender either. Not much will. We're going to disagree on Lalime, so I won't even bother. As for Darcy, you've clearly stated over and over that the reason he isn't making any moves is because he's so in love with his own guys. Well, I guess my post was my way of calling BS to that as well. I don't buy it, sorry.
thesportsbuff Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 I call Bull Sh!t. Adding Ovechkin, or any player of that level, is not the only way to improve a 10th place team. In fact many of the players named over the summer by posters who could have helped the Sabres have been signed to very reasonable contracts easily afforded by the Sabres if they had chosen to do anything. If you take the money wasted on MacArthur and the roster fillers they did sign you could have easily solidified you backup goalie position (Biron $1.4) and signed a solid winger with real toughness (Laperriere $1.6). You probably would have money to pick a decent blue-liner to have in case of injury. As far as Link? A link showing Regier admitting he is afraid to trade his own players? Should we pull a Erin Andrews and get the video? Actions speak louder than words. Regier is showing what he is made of. Which isn't much. i have zero ambition to see darcy dancing around nude in front of a mirror. thanks for the thought, though.
deluca67 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Meh..... you call on anyone who doesn't agree with you, so I'm not flattered. I get it, you don't like the team as is, most of us, including myself, don't. But adding Biron and Laperreire (if they would have even been willing to come here) aren't going to elevate our status from an 8th place team to a cup contender either. Not much will. We're going to disagree on Lalime, so I won't even bother. As for Darcy, you've clearly stated over and over that the reason he isn't making any moves is because he's so in love with his own guys. Well, I guess my post was my way of calling BS to that as well. I don't buy it, sorry. The Sabres aren't a 8th place team. They are a 10th place place team aspiring to be a 8th place team.
R_Dudley Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Things are so bad that passionate and knowledgeable hockey fans are indulging in hysterical overstatements. This offseason doesn't hold a candle to 2007 in terms of bad results. And you can continue to ignore the fact that Montador was a top-4 defenseman for 2 very good teams last year all you like, but it doesn't change the facts. Good Point... :thumbsup: Facts? the Ducks overachieved when Montador left and the Bruins underachieved when he arrived. Just the facts. I did say "one of the most pathetic." 2007 was bad. Other than Drury deciding to leave it was predictable. 2009? A 10th place team that has actually taken a step back? It about as pathetic as it gets. The only move is to replace Spacek with Montador? That's a step back. It's not "hysterical overstatements", it's an accurate detailed account of what the 2009 off-season has brought the fans of the Buffalo Sabres. You don't get into the playoffs by doing nothing and hoping enough teams have worse season than you do so you can sneak into 8th place. Isn't it a pretty f**king sad state and a real sign of how things are when Sabre fans are arguing if the Sabres have done enough to sneak into 8th place? We're not arguing "is this a top four team", "is this team a contender" or "what move can get this team to the Finals." We're arguing if the minimalist attitude of the front office is going to allow, if everything falls the Sabres way, to steal the 8th playoff spot in the East. What the hell happened? Why are the standards so low? Why are there fans out there who are happy with a 10th place team hoping to make it to the 8th spot. It appears the lack of accountability has reached the fans. Are we so used to the ineffectiveness of status quo that in our hearts we have given up already? That we hope for the elation of a 8th place finish. There are teams in the NHL where 8th place would be a disappointment. Here are Sabre fans begging for any scraps they can get. Better Counter Point ....... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: My point,,,, I don't have the time with job, family and now attempting to round a golf game into form in what spare time I have But I love this kind of reasoned, spirited debate.... Great Job on both sides of the debate excellant points to consider.... Keep up the good work and carry on Gentleman.... :beer:
Stoner Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 If it's not fear than it's incompetence. There is no other way to explain why we are in the midst of one of the most pathetic off-seasons in franchise history. Things are so bad that some fans have resorted to selling Steve Montador as a top four defensemen. It's oddly familiar to last off-season when fans tried to say Lalime was a solid backup. We all know how that turned out. Part of the problem is the shill work done by writers like John Vogl. He's already informed the fan base that the Sabres addressed their toughness needs in the draft and signing of Montador. I guarantee you that as we type Bucky is laying the foundation for a tear-jerking introduction to Steve Montador. As a kid he probably saw his pet bunny get run over by a street sweeper, and that motivated him to become an NHL player. Tough guy/big heart. And, oh yeah, he LOVES the city of Buffalo. A Buffalo kind of guy. You just wait. I'm calling it on July 24.
wonderbread Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Part of the problem is the shill work done by writers like John Vogl. He's already informed the fan base that the Sabres addressed their toughness needs in the draft and signing of Montador. I guarantee you that as we type Bucky is laying the foundation for a tear-jerking introduction to Steve Montador. As a kid he probably saw his pet bunny get run over by a street sweeper, and that motivated him to become an NHL player. Tough guy/big heart. And, oh yeah, he LOVES the city of Buffalo. A Buffalo kind of guy. You just wait. I'm calling it on July 24. That dribble makes me sick. I was thinking also something along the lines of "I didn't know what to expect when I came here but after being here I couldn't love th place more. Its a great front office, a great team and a great city. I really am looking forward to making an impact on this club."
deluca67 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Part of the problem is the shill work done by writers like John Vogl. He's already informed the fan base that the Sabres addressed their toughness needs in the draft and signing of Montador. I guarantee you that as we type Bucky is laying the foundation for a tear-jerking introduction to Steve Montador. As a kid he probably saw his pet bunny get run over by a street sweeper, and that motivated him to become an NHL player. Tough guy/big heart. And, oh yeah, he LOVES the city of Buffalo. A Buffalo kind of guy. You just wait. I'm calling it on July 24. I don't know what's worse. John Vogel writing it or that the Sabres front office and that some fans believe it to be true. This team is as flawed, with the loss of Spacek maybe more flawed, as it was when it ended the 2008 season in 10th place. I just want to make it clear. I don't hate Steve Montador. He is the type of player this franchise should be seeking. I hate that he is the crown jewel of the 2009 off-season. He is not a defensive stalwart. He alone doesn't fill the void at toughness. Like Rivet last season he is just a token gesture from a front office fearful of diverting from a plan that has delivered less than the desired results. I don't understand why this front office can't see they can add the elements sorely needed to this team and not disrupt the fragile inner circle.
nfreeman Posted July 24, 2009 Report Posted July 24, 2009 Facts? the Ducks overachieved when Montador left and the Bruins underachieved when he arrived. Just the facts. I did say "one of the most pathetic." 2007 was bad. Other than Drury deciding to leave it was predictable. 2009? A 10th place team that has actually taken a step back? It about as pathetic as it gets. The only move is to replace Spacek with Montador? That's a step back. It's not "hysterical overstatements", it's an accurate detailed account of what the 2009 off-season has brought the fans of the Buffalo Sabres. You don't get into the playoffs by doing nothing and hoping enough teams have worse season than you do so you can sneak into 8th place. Isn't it a pretty f**king sad state and a real sign of how things are when Sabre fans are arguing if the Sabres have done enough to sneak into 8th place? We're not arguing "is this a top four team", "is this team a contender" or "what move can get this team to the Finals." We're arguing if the minimalist attitude of the front office is going to allow, if everything falls the Sabres way, to steal the 8th playoff spot in the East. What the hell happened? Why are the standards so low? Why are there fans out there who are happy with a 10th place team hoping to make it to the 8th spot. It appears the lack of accountability has reached the fans. Are we so used to the ineffectiveness of status quo that in our hearts we have given up already? That we hope for the elation of a 8th place finish. There are teams in the NHL where 8th place would be a disappointment. Here are Sabre fans begging for any scraps they can get. The bolded part is another hysterical overstatement. All the raving about Montador detracts from your (much better) point -- ie that the Sabres should've done more to improve the team. All I can say about that is that I will probably agree with you that it was a bad offseason if we get to training camp and nothing else has happened. But there are lots of good players still out there, both FAs and guys who will be traded. Nobody here is going to be satisfied with "sneaking into 8th place." If Miller and Vanek hadn't gotten hurt down the stretch last year, this was probably a 6th-place team. I personally think Montador will be better for this team than Spacek was, and that Pommer, Stafford, Connolly, Butler, Rivet and Sekera will have better to much better seasons this year than last. I agree that another good forward is needed, but I think this will happen before camp. If not, again, I will be disappointed in this offseason. BTW, it's probably fair at this point to say that the 2006 offseason -- in which Grier, McKee and Dumont were let go, Briere wasn't extended and Max, Connolly and Tallinder were extended -- was substantially worse than this summer too. In fact, if Pommer and Hecht don't raise their games quite a bit this year, 2008 will likely also prove to be worse than 2009. I call Bull Sh!t. Adding Ovechkin, or any player of that level, is not the only way to improve a 10th place team. In fact many of the players named over the summer by posters who could have helped the Sabres have been signed to very reasonable contracts easily afforded by the Sabres if they had chosen to do anything. If you take the money wasted on MacArthur and the roster fillers they did sign you could have easily solidified you backup goalie position (Biron $1.4) and signed a solid winger with real toughness (Laperriere $1.6). You probably would have money to pick a decent blue-liner to have in case of injury. Biron wasn't going to come here to be a backup. He wants to be a starter. Frankly, you know this, and this post is just more obtuse DR bashing. And while I wouldn't have minded Laperriere, he's far from a difference-maker.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Remember the Sabres don't believe in rushing headlong into free agency. It's only been two months now. Give it time. Haste makes waste. PTR
darksabre Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Remember the Sabres don't believe in rushing headlong into free agency. It's only been two months now. Give it time. Haste makes waste. PTR two months? what calendar are you using?
PromoTheRobot Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 two months? what calendar are you using? I thought it was June 1. Either way. it will be two months and the Sabres won't make another move. PTR
Tyrannustyrannus Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Hecht had one bad season. I thin he's more likely to rebound than Tallinder. Since he's under contract, I'd give him another chance.
Stoner Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Hecht had one bad season. I thin he's more likely to rebound than Tallinder. Since he's under contract, I'd give him another chance. I like giving the benefit of the doubt to Hecht. We think these guys are automatons. Maybe he was having marital problems. Maybe his dad is dying of cancer. Who the hell knows? He picked up his game toward the end. As shocked as I was at how badly he played till that point, I'd be doubly shocked if we see a repeat of it next season.
stenbaro Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Hecht had one bad season. I thin he's more likely to rebound than Tallinder. Since he's under contract, I'd give him another chance. Chokin Jochen sucks!!!! I like giving the benefit of the doubt to Hecht. We think these guys are automatons. Maybe he was having marital problems. Maybe his dad is dying of cancer. Who the hell knows? He picked up his game toward the end. As shocked as I was at how badly he played till that point, I'd be doubly shocked if we see a repeat of it next season. In case you missed the one above.. Chokin Jochen Sucks!!!! He is worthless along with many more on this roster..WHich is why they will be fighting for a prize draft choice again only to win meaningless games at the end to fall just short and be a little below in the middle of the pack to make the playoffs in the EASIEST MAjor league sport to make the playoffs!!!! :wallbash:
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