Dominic Moore

[San Diego Sabres Fan]

I am surprised that Dominic Moore has not signed with a club by now? I wonder if his agent has spoke with Darcy. I wouldn't mind seeing him back in the blue and gold in 2010.

[RayFinkle]

Dominic Moore is one step above Bob Corkum on the "useless players aquired at the deadline" chart.

[X. Benedict]

Dominic Moore is one step above Bob Corkum on the "useless players aquired at the deadline" chart.

 

Don't be surprised to see him back at a modest raise.

 

Signing him makes sense. I just imagine they are far apart on price.

[inkman]

Don't be surprised to see him back at a modest raise.

 

Signing him makes sense. I just imagine they are far apart on price.

I guess I wouldn't mind him. The lines would look like this?

 

Vanek-Roy-Stafford

Hecht-Connolly-Pominville

Paille-Moore-Gaustad

Mair-Ellis-Kaleta

 

Who am I forgettting? :unsure:

[wonderbread]

I guess I wouldn't mind him. The lines would look like this?

 

Vanek-Roy-Stafford

Hecht-Connolly-Pominville

Paille-Moore-Gaustad

Mair-Ellis-Kaleta

 

Who am I forgettting? :unsure:

 

 

Gerbe?

 

I wouldn't mind having him back if it included having a reasonable price tag. Strictly as a 3rd line center and taking faceoffs for important draws. What would be an acceptable salary?

[X. Benedict]

Gerbe?

 

I wouldn't mind having him back if it included having a reasonable price tag. Strictly as a 3rd line center and taking faceoffs for important draws. What would be an acceptable salary?

 

I would average the difference between Todd White and Craig Conroy.

 

1.6-1.8 mil. would be my guess.

[bob_sauve28]

Hecht-Connolly-Pominville

That sure use to be a really good line. Then they all signed contracts :bag:

[K-9]

Just out of curiousity, does anyone know how good or bad Kennedy is on draws? I ask because if he has a reasonable chance to make the squad, I assume it's at center where he excelled in the AHL. This might have a bearing on whether or not Moore is re-signed, IMHO.

 

GO SABRES!!!

[wonderbread]

I would average the difference between Todd White and Craig Conroy.

 

1.6-1.8 mil. would be my guess.

 

 

Previous reports indicate that he was asking for 3 million before when he was in Toronna and thats why Burke traded him. Is there any truth to this?

[nobody]

I'm sure his agent is doing his best to get him on a team that makes the playoffs on a consistant basis before he thinks about coming back to the Sabres (if the Sabres have any interest; though they probably expect his asking price to be too high.)

[thesportsbuff]

i also wouldn't mind having Moore back. i thought he played alright, especially considering he had a broken wrist or whatever. he didn't have a whole lot of impact but if he's going to win faceoffs, then i'm on board.

[X. Benedict]

Previous reports indicate that he was asking for 3 million before when he was in Toronna and thats why Burke traded him. Is there any truth to this?

 

Burke wasn't going to give him an extension at 2.5 IIRC.

That's on the high side.

 

I don't think he gets close to that while Yelle is out there.

[nfreeman]

Just out of curiousity, does anyone know how good or bad Kennedy is on draws? I ask because if he has a reasonable chance to make the squad, I assume it's at center where he excelled in the AHL. This might have a bearing on whether or not Moore is re-signed, IMHO.

 

GO SABRES!!!

 

I don't expect to see Moore back, although I wouldn't mind having him at the $1.25MM - $1.5MM range. I just think, as discussed in another thread, that the Sabres have a major budget problem on their hands and will need to dump 1 or 2 of their $3MM vets just to get down to their budget limit. This in turn means they will have a strong inclination towards cheap young guys like Kennedy and away from so-so FAs who will cost $1MM or so more per year.

[carpandean]

Previous reports indicate that he was asking for 3 million before when he was in Toronna and thats why Burke traded him. Is there any truth to this?

I remember seeing a couple of different numbers thrown around. I want to say that Toronto was willing to go to $2 million per, but no more, while Moore was willing to go as low as $2.5 million per. Supposedly, those were the absolute limits of both sides. I'm sure that he time in Buffalo didn't help his case at all, so I would be surprised if he ends up getting any more than $2 million per. He might take a one year deal with a team that actually might use him on a scoring line (i.e., a team with even worse center depth than we have.) Actually, given Timmy's injury history, it might work out for him to sign here, as long as they guarantee him that he is third behind Roy and Connolly, but ahead of Hecht and Gaustad, on the center depth chart. I wouldn't pay him any more than $2 million and we really should move somebody out (or not re-sign MacArthur) if we do.

 

Really, if you want someone to play on the third line and win faceoffs, Manny Malhotra is (I believe) still available. He's been up over 55% for four straight years and over 58% for the last two. He took 1380 faceoffs last year for Columbus -- nearly as many as Roy did for us -- and won 801 of them (meaning that he lost just 579, for the lazy or math impaired.) You may not get the offensive production of Moore (though, in fairness, his numbers are better than what Moore put up before being put on a scoring line in Toronto last year, and not too far off from what Moore did last year), but he's sound defensively and would cost less.

 

Just out of curiousity, does anyone know how good or bad Kennedy is on draws? I ask because if he has a reasonable chance to make the squad, I assume it's at center where he excelled in the AHL. This might have a bearing on whether or not Moore is re-signed, IMHO.

I, too, wonder about Timmy's potential. He seems to be the closest center prospect to making the team. I hope that he gets more of shot this year, especially on the pivot (note: not hoping for injuries, but they are inevitable.)

[That Aud Smell]

kelley recently pointed to moore and malhotra as poster-boys for the strange fall-out of the nhl's emerging class (caste?) system.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...tley/index.html

 

Posted: Thursday July 2, 2009 3:39PM; Updated: Thursday July 2, 2009 3:39PM

 

Jim Kelley > INSIDE THE NHL

 

There was a time, more times than you care to remember I'm sure, when your mother told you, "It pays to be good." If we've learned anything from the first day of NHL free agency 2009, it's that it pays to be good and be unencumbered by a contract on the first day of July, even in a very tough economy.

 

GMs are still handing out fat contracts the way AIG executives dispense plump bonus checks. Take a look at this list and the money attached:

 

Marian Hossa's 12-year deal with Chicago valued at $63 million; Jay Bouwmeester's five-year deal with Calgary said to be worth $6.6 million per season; Mattias Ohlund's a seven-year, $24.5 million deal from Tampa Bay; Mike Cammalleri getting five years and $30 million from Montreal, who also handed Brian Gionta five years and $30 million; Nikolai Khabibulin receiving four years from Edmonton at $15 million; Marian Gaborik's five years and $37.5 million from the never-learn New York Rangers; Martin Havlat's six years and $30 million from Minnesota to make up for the loss of Gaborik.

 

The always-adorable Sedin twins (their mom couldn't love one more than the other and neither can management in Vancouver) jumped to $6.1 million per season apiece over five seasons as the Canucks outbid a host of suitors for an inseparable pair of good but not necessarily great forwards.

 

Detroit re-signed standout center Henrik Zetterberg to one of those massive front-loaded deals that could pay him $72 million over 12 years (pretty much the model Chicago used in luring Hossa from the Stanley Cup finalists) while teammate Johan Franzen received $43 million over 11 years, a nice little bump from the mere $1.1 million he got for the season just ended.

 

Khabibulin's $3.75 million per season is akin to something of a "value" purchase when you considered that the Boston Bruins will spend $5 million per for four seasons just to keep Tim Thomas, a player any team could have plucked off the roster of a Euro club for the price of a transfer fee just three seasons ago.

 

Tough times, maybe, but you can't compare NHL life to an auto worker's, especially if you're talking salaries in Detroit. So, haven't owners and GMs learned anything, especially that there's a porven fall-off in production and play from players who score big money in the free-agent derby?

 

In a word: No.

 

The lure of easy money is certainly attractive to the players, and it seems to be something that owners sign off on as easily as a ticket price hike, but there's a downside, and it seems to be at the expense of the second-, third- and even fourth-line players, the ones who can help a team win, but don't share in the glory or wealth of their more expensive brothers.

 

Take for instance the case of Dominic Moore. The young center, arguably a journeyman in the finest sense of the word, was having a decent season for also-ran Toronto when he started looking for a new deal in the $2 million-per range. The Maple Leafs, who thought his success came largely from playing on the No.1 line despite his not having No.1 centerman skills, declined and shipped him to Buffalo, another playoff also-ran, for a draft choice at the trade deadline.

 

Moore hasn't had much luck getting a deal from the Sabres even though they gave up a second-round pick to get him. He's also not having much luck on the free-agent market, at least not after the first day-and-a-half. An unrestricted free agent who made $900,000 last year, Moore is, at the moment at least, out of a job.

 

It's a similar situation for Manny Malhotra, who had a decent season for Columbus, a franchise that just made the playoffs for the first time in its history. Malhotra, looking to move from $1.5 to $2 million per, has received little more than the proverbial cold shoulder from the Blue Jackets, who on Wednesday signed free-agent forward Sami Pahlsson, a career checking center, away from division rival Chicago for $2.65 million per season over three years, a salary that's likely to make the Malhotra camp wince.

 

If there's a constant, it's that good players command great salaries even in the toughest times. Nothing wrong with that, but in a salary-capped system, it's not just simply a case of adding more money to the payroll. There's a squeeze on, and players like Malhotra, Moore and a slew of others are beginning to feel it. Their options are to take less than they think they are worth (in many cases they are not worth what they think), jump to a shrinking number of teams in Europe, or perhaps play in the AHL which, thanks to the NHL cap, is paying less for real talent than at any time in the last two decades.

 

Another complicating factor is the escrow clause. Players, many of whom didn't even bother to attend the NHL Players Association meetings in Las Vegas even though a great many were there on the PA's dime, found that the current CBA clawed a significant amount of money out of their paychecks last season in order to meet the contracted requirement that if overall spending goes over the cap, the excess will be taken out of player salaries.

 

It's a great deal for owners and it certainly allows GMs to make mega-offers with only a modest regard for the consequences, but players found out this season that the NHL may be getting back revenues in excess of $4 million per team and it's all coming directly out of their pockets. According to one published report, the escrow agreement will make Alexander Ovechkin's wallet lighter by some $1.4 million for last season.

 

No one should be surprised. Former PA boss Bob Goodenow predicted it when he warned of the dangers of a cap system during the season-killing lockout back in 2004-05. "They (the owners) will be playing with the players' money," he said at the time.

 

Even players' mothers can tell them that's not good.

[shrader]

I guess I wouldn't mind him. The lines would look like this?

 

Vanek-Roy-Stafford

Hecht-Connolly-Pominville

Paille-Moore-Gaustad

Mair-Ellis-Kaleta

 

Who am I forgettting? :unsure:

 

MacArthur depending on whether or not he makes it to arbitration.

[Spudz]

I guess I wouldn't mind him. The lines would look like this?

 

Vanek-Roy-Stafford

Hecht-Connolly-Pominville

Paille-Moore-Gaustad

Mair-Ellis-Kaleta

 

Who am I forgettting? :unsure:

 

 

that looks

[That Aud Smell]

I guess I wouldn't mind him. The lines would look like this?

 

Vanek-Roy-Stafford

Hecht-Connolly-Pominville

Paille-Moore-Gaustad

Mair-Ellis-Kaleta

MacArthur depending on whether or not he makes it to arbitration.

that looks

yeah - you just sense that it is going to be deja vu all over again with that squad - we will be most likely to finish anywhere from 7-10 (highly unlikely that we finish 6th; also unlikely that we finish 11th (although that is a better chance than 6th)) - as was the case last year, it'll take some good luck and good breaks to finish at 7 - if we run into some bad luck (say, miller and vanek go down for an extended stretch) and catch more bad breaks than good, we're looking at the 9/10 slot.

 

:death:

[bob_sauve28]

kelley recently pointed to moore and malhotra as poster-boys for the strange fall-out of the nhl's emerging class (caste?) system.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...tley/index.html

 

Posted: Thursday July 2, 2009 3:39PM; Updated: Thursday July 2, 2009 3:39PM

 

Jim Kelley > INSIDE THE NHL

 

There was a time, more times than you care to remember I'm sure, when your mother told you, "It pays to be good." If we've learned anything from the first day of NHL free agency 2009, it's that it pays to be good and be unencumbered by a contract on the first day of July, even in a very tough economy.

 

GMs are still handing out fat contracts the way AIG executives dispense plump bonus checks. Take a look at this list and the money attached:

 

Marian Hossa's 12-year deal with Chicago valued at $63 million; Jay Bouwmeester's five-year deal with Calgary said to be worth $6.6 million per season; Mattias Ohlund's a seven-year, $24.5 million deal from Tampa Bay; Mike Cammalleri getting five years and $30 million from Montreal, who also handed Brian Gionta five years and $30 million; Nikolai Khabibulin receiving four years from Edmonton at $15 million; Marian Gaborik's five years and $37.5 million from the never-learn New York Rangers; Martin Havlat's six years and $30 million from Minnesota to make up for the loss of Gaborik.

 

The always-adorable Sedin twins (their mom couldn't love one more than the other and neither can management in Vancouver) jumped to $6.1 million per season apiece over five seasons as the Canucks outbid a host of suitors for an inseparable pair of good but not necessarily great forwards.

 

Detroit re-signed standout center Henrik Zetterberg to one of those massive front-loaded deals that could pay him $72 million over 12 years (pretty much the model Chicago used in luring Hossa from the Stanley Cup finalists) while teammate Johan Franzen received $43 million over 11 years, a nice little bump from the mere $1.1 million he got for the season just ended.

 

Khabibulin's $3.75 million per season is akin to something of a "value" purchase when you considered that the Boston Bruins will spend $5 million per for four seasons just to keep Tim Thomas, a player any team could have plucked off the roster of a Euro club for the price of a transfer fee just three seasons ago.

 

Tough times, maybe, but you can't compare NHL life to an auto worker's, especially if you're talking salaries in Detroit. So, haven't owners and GMs learned anything, especially that there's a porven fall-off in production and play from players who score big money in the free-agent derby?

 

In a word: No.

 

The lure of easy money is certainly attractive to the players, and it seems to be something that owners sign off on as easily as a ticket price hike, but there's a downside, and it seems to be at the expense of the second-, third- and even fourth-line players, the ones who can help a team win, but don't share in the glory or wealth of their more expensive brothers.

 

Take for instance the case of Dominic Moore. The young center, arguably a journeyman in the finest sense of the word, was having a decent season for also-ran Toronto when he started looking for a new deal in the $2 million-per range. The Maple Leafs, who thought his success came largely from playing on the No.1 line despite his not having No.1 centerman skills, declined and shipped him to Buffalo, another playoff also-ran, for a draft choice at the trade deadline.

 

Moore hasn't had much luck getting a deal from the Sabres even though they gave up a second-round pick to get him. He's also not having much luck on the free-agent market, at least not after the first day-and-a-half. An unrestricted free agent who made $900,000 last year, Moore is, at the moment at least, out of a job.

 

It's a similar situation for Manny Malhotra, who had a decent season for Columbus, a franchise that just made the playoffs for the first time in its history. Malhotra, looking to move from $1.5 to $2 million per, has received little more than the proverbial cold shoulder from the Blue Jackets, who on Wednesday signed free-agent forward Sami Pahlsson, a career checking center, away from division rival Chicago for $2.65 million per season over three years, a salary that's likely to make the Malhotra camp wince.

 

If there's a constant, it's that good players command great salaries even in the toughest times. Nothing wrong with that, but in a salary-capped system, it's not just simply a case of adding more money to the payroll. There's a squeeze on, and players like Malhotra, Moore and a slew of others are beginning to feel it. Their options are to take less than they think they are worth (in many cases they are not worth what they think), jump to a shrinking number of teams in Europe, or perhaps play in the AHL which, thanks to the NHL cap, is paying less for real talent than at any time in the last two decades.

 

Another complicating factor is the escrow clause. Players, many of whom didn't even bother to attend the NHL Players Association meetings in Las Vegas even though a great many were there on the PA's dime, found that the current CBA clawed a significant amount of money out of their paychecks last season in order to meet the contracted requirement that if overall spending goes over the cap, the excess will be taken out of player salaries.

 

It's a great deal for owners and it certainly allows GMs to make mega-offers with only a modest regard for the consequences, but players found out this season that the NHL may be getting back revenues in excess of $4 million per team and it's all coming directly out of their pockets. According to one published report, the escrow agreement will make Alexander Ovechkin's wallet lighter by some $1.4 million for last season.

 

No one should be surprised. Former PA boss Bob Goodenow predicted it when he warned of the dangers of a cap system during the season-killing lockout back in 2004-05. "They (the owners) will be playing with the players' money," he said at the time.

 

Even players' mothers can tell them that's not good.

 

The teams must want these players but don't want to shell out too much caggage. There must be some serious small ball tactics going on underneith all this. Someone will end up with these good players at a decent price

[Stoner]

The teams must want these players but don't want to shell out too much caggage. There must be some serious small ball tactics going on underneith all this. Someone will end up with these good players at a decent price

 

I just want to point out bob_sauve is having a great offseason. Something has stirred deep within this gentle giant -- besides the fact he or she had the burritos for lunch.

[K-9]

I don't expect to see Moore back, although I wouldn't mind having him at the $1.25MM - $1.5MM range. I just think, as discussed in another thread, that the Sabres have a major budget problem on their hands and will need to dump 1 or 2 of their $3MM vets just to get down to their budget limit. This in turn means they will have a strong inclination towards cheap young guys like Kennedy and away from so-so FAs who will cost $1MM or so more per year.

 

Methinks you're correct. It'd be one helluva story if the local boy makes the squad and actually plays well.

 

How is he on draws?

 

GO SABRES!!!

[spndnchz]

Methinks you're correct. It'd be one helluva story if the local boy makes the squad and actually plays well.

 

How is he on draws?

 

GO SABRES!!!

Moore was 54.15%, best on the Sabres. 8th in the league with as many draws. 60.5% on power play draws. Hmmmm.

[K-9]

Moore was 54.15%, best on the Sabres. 8th in the league with as many draws. 60.5% on power play draws. Hmmmm.

 

Thanks, chz. But in my OP, I was referrring to Kennedy and his ability on draws. Any idea how he fared in the AHL in that stat last season?

 

GO SABRES!!!

[spndnchz]

Thanks, chz. But in my OP, I was referrring to Kennedy and his ability on draws. Any idea how he fared in the AHL in that stat last season?

 

GO SABRES!!!

calling all wildcat, come in wildcats! (can't find shite)

[That Aud Smell]

I just want to point out bob_sauve is having a great offseason. Something has stirred deep within this gentle giant -- besides the fact he or she had the burritos for lunch.

this observation is all at once accurate, hilarious, and poignant.